Fans and Double Standards

Fans and Double Standards

Fans and the double standards that they may not even realize they are making.

Editorial Opinion
By CorndogBurglar - Apr 18, 2011 09:04 AM EST
Filed Under: Other

Double standards are very prevalent among fans. Anyone who has been a member here for any length of time has seen it, even if they don't realize it. This is not to say that I'm not guilty of it myself. Even though I can't really think of anything right off the top of my head, I'm not so full of myself to think I'm guilt free. In fact, I would be willing to bet that everyone on this site has been guilty of it at one point or another. I just wanted to get that out of the way. Again, in no way do I mean to sound condescending, or like I think I'm better than anyone, but I fear that is how this article might sound without a little explanation before I get into the proverbial meat and potatoes.

There are many examples of double standards being used pertaining to countless CBMs. The two that I will focus on the most are the ones that are probably at the foremost of everyone's thoughts, as well as garnering the most attention on this site. Of course I'm talking about X-Men: First Class and The Avengers.



Many people have a lot of hate for First Class, and there are many reasons that have been given. I've seen arguments stating that people do not like that the original team is not the same team from the comics. Certain characters are making appearances that should not be there yet according to the comics, as well as certain things happening that should not be happening yet (like Beast getting blue fur). And of course my personal reason, which is the fact that the creators of First Class have admittedly decided to ignore certain things from the first three X-Films, while still calling this a genuine prequel. I will be comparing some of these arguments that we know from First Class with things that we know about The Avengers, as well as fan reactions to both. Generally, it seems like most people cannot wait for The Avengers, and seem to be completely okay with everything that has been heard thus far, while its the complete opposite for First Class. Lets dive in, shall we?

The original team from the comics will be changed in First Class. While this is true, I don't understand how people can be so completely irritated by this, but in the meantime it does not bother them when talking about The Avengers. The original team in The Avengers comics consisted of Iron Man, Ant Man, Wasp, Thor, and Hulk. From all accounts, the movie version will consist of Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hawkeye, and possibly Black Widow. (I left out the Hulk because whether or not he will be an actual part of the team in the movie is still up for debate.) Why all the hate for First Class when The Avengers changed the original line up as well? Essentially, both movies are guilty of changing the original team. So where is all the hate for Avengers?

How about the fact that the Cosmic Cube is rumored to be in The Avengers? Most fans seem fine with this, even though in the comics, The Cosmic Cube was created by A.I.M. and had nothing to do with the early incarnation/formation of The Avengers. This will most likely not be the case since there are no hints whatsoever that A.I.M. will be a part of any of these movies. Why is it that something so important in the movie can be changed from the comics and no one seems to have a problem with it, yet people pick apart every little changed detail in First Class, like Xavier walking, or not being bald?

Characters making appearances that should not be there yet according to the comics. This is something that a lot of fans complain about in the X-Films. In First Class, just about the entire team will consist of characters that did not come along until way later in the comics. Moira Mactaggart, The Hellfire Club, even Azazel are characters that should not be there according to the comics. Well guess what? The Avengers have Nick Fury, SHIELD and Black Widow who, according to the comics, should not be there yet. Also, both movies are forming the teams in different ways than the comics did as well.

So basically, what it comes down to is that fact that both movies have changed quite a bit of things, and in many instances, they've both changed very similar things. The amount of complaining for First Class far outweighs the complaining for The Avengers. Why is that? Is it because people just automatically hate anything attached to FOX? Is it a general lack of comic book knowledge, like maybe people know more about the X-Men's history than they do about The Avengers, which in turn means they don't recognize all the changes in The Avengers to get mad about? I truthfully do not know the answer, but the double standards are very clear to see. You would think that a quality movie would be enough to please people regardless of the changes made, but the history of CBMs has proven that wrong.

In any case, thank you for reading this lengthy editorial. I look forward to reading all of your opinions as this is something that has made me wonder for quite a while.

~CDB
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lokisilvertongue
lokisilvertongue - 4/18/2011, 11:26 AM
i agree with DM we were told tht avengers wud b a mix of ultimate n 616 universes n in ultimate hawkeye n widow wud b part of the avengers n fury wud have put them 2gether so its quite true 2 the comics
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 4/18/2011, 12:01 PM
@ darkmatter

first of all i never called anyone "blind idiots." in fact, i even put my reason for not liking the way First Class looks, if you read the article, you would see that.

2nd, I'm not a major comic fan? funny, i thought i've been reading comics since i COULD read, but i'm glad you're here to tell me thats a lie, lol.

3rd, you conveniently left out the other arguments, like the Cosmic Cube that I brought up...

now, I do agree that Havok, Angel Salvador, and Darwin do not equate to Cap, Hawkeye, and Black Widow. But that isn't the point. This is more for the purists that would not be happy regardless of who was put in the original's place. But do you mean to tell me that its okay to take out Jan and Hank? Two of the founding members of the Avengers? Because that certainly shouldn't be okay.

anyway, you clearly missed the point of the article if your'e taking offense to anything i said in it...


@ loki

Wasp and Giantman were in the Ultimates comics, but they are not in the movie. So yes, it is changed.

@ yossarian

thanks for giving an actual comment instead of spewing insutls.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 4/18/2011, 12:09 PM
@ yossarian

i didn't mean it like that, no you don't have a history. I was talking about the other guy in here throwing insults at me.
Destroyer14
Destroyer14 - 4/18/2011, 12:10 PM
Wow, great editorial. This is something I've never really thought of. I guess all I can say is that a lot of people are so used to Cap being the leader that it just doesn't seem right to not have him in. And it looks like the Marvel films are leaning towards the Ultimate side of things. Such as Fury bringing them together.
kriswone
kriswone - 4/18/2011, 12:31 PM
If Fox made Sandwiches the bread would be in the middle, and there would be no cheese.

If Fox made Watches it wouldn't be right twice a day.

If Fox made Hair Pieces they wouldn't be for your head.

If Fox made Breath Mints they would taste like Chewbacca's butt crack.

If Fox made houses the front door would be sideways.

If Fox made Pizza it would be microwaved.

If Fox made Cars they would be GM. - heheheee
CraptainAmerica
CraptainAmerica - 4/18/2011, 1:29 PM
Great article. It is fair. An in most aspects true.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 4/18/2011, 2:24 PM
@ darkmatter

jesus dude, if you're incapable of comprehending what you're reading, then I got nothing for you. I'm not basing my entire argument on two characters. If you read and understand the article, then you would see that I talk about more than just the main team. Nothing in my article is confrontational, or can really be taken offensively. next time you try to read, just relax, wiggle your fingers and toes to get all that tension out that you obviously have stored up, clear your mind, and concentrate. Maybe you'll get the point i'm making next time. It doesn't look like anyone else is having a problem getting it...
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 4/18/2011, 2:25 PM
@ tea

lol, you know i love ya buddy. thanks for the comment!
nuck82
nuck82 - 4/18/2011, 2:27 PM
lol @kriswone [frick] GM, and mmmmm chewbacca butt crack
golden123
golden123 - 4/18/2011, 4:50 PM
@Darkmatter: I could be mistaken, but I don't think Darwin and Angel Salvadore are members of the X-men in this movie. I'm actually pretty sure there just mutants who appear in the film. Also Havok was like the fourth character to have joined the X-men who was not an original team member. I don't see how Black Widow or Hawkeye can be part of the original Avengers, but Havok, for some reason, can't be part of the original X-men.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 4/18/2011, 5:57 PM
@ darkmatter

see man, thats the thing, i'm not saying either will be better than the other. i'm just stating that there are changes in both, and one gets blasted, while the other gets a free pass. I've already made it very clear on this site that I have no desire to see First Class. Keep believing whatever you want, lol, but you clearly haven't been around long enough to know me, because the people that do, know that if I don't like something, I say it. And guess what else? If I do like something...I ALSO SAY IT!

The comment you quoted of me is just that. I don't understand how they can be irritated by it. Personally, I don't care if the teams are changed, but plenty of people do. I don't care if people like or dislike it. I'm just simply pointing out that there seems to be a double standard. Read into that what you want, but you're looking too hard for something that isn't there. lol, all it does it make you sound ridiculous.

I think its funny that you're getting all worked up over an editorial that has no ulterior motive. You're acting like this article is some conspiracy theory and i'm trying to get people to see Fist Class or something. thats ludicrous, especially since I already said I don't want to see First Class myself, in the article. lol

I guess you believe that UFO's are at Area 51 and that the Illuminati run the world in secret, too huh? Because thats exatly what that ridiculous comment sounded like.

too funny, man.
marvel72
marvel72 - 4/18/2011, 6:32 PM
what marvel studios is doing is fine,they're taken a bit from both 616 & the ultimate universe to make the avengers line up.

marvel are trying there best to get the costumes spot on as well,look at iron man,thor,loki,the destroyer,war machine,black widow,red skull & so on.

just take a look at the state of all of fox's comic book movies from characters,origins,line ups,villains,costumes & stories.

its a complete mess.

all i say is thank f*ck we've got captain america,thor & the green lantern to look forward to this year.
BigK1337
BigK1337 - 4/18/2011, 7:15 PM
Honestly, I have to say, the article is half-way true.
Yes, alot of us fans are hypocrites for liking the Avengers over X-Men First Class.

But as far as I can see the two films are very different. The Avengers IS faithful to the source material compare to X-Men First Class. The plot deals with a team of super heroes coming together to go up against a common foe, Loki did in fact use the Hulk as a way to further his goals, Kree and Skrulls invasion is definitly a factor that would allow the Avengers to come together, and the key founding members are in the movie (Captain America (honourary counts), Iron Man, Thor and Hulk).


First Class just could have been better if they were to either do the following: take a Star Trek (2009) approach and include a time travelling mutant (Cable or Bishop), reboot the movie to follow closely to the comics (original team and go with an Amazing Spider-Man approach), or actually be an X-Men movie fans and general audience will enjoy together (all the things listed above). I think it is agreeable that the only good things the movie will have is Fassbender acting as Magneto and inclusion of the Hellfire Club (which I believe they should have been included in the third movie).
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 4/19/2011, 4:58 AM
@ earz

thanks man, its good to see someone that understands where i'm coming from.

how i'm being accused of trying to get people to go see First Class is totally ridiculous. If i were trying to get people to go see it, then why would i say in this article that I DON'T want to see it? doesn't make much sense, does it? people are just crazy.

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