Stan Lee Goes Gay

Not to crazy for it. But, I guess you have to keep an open mind.

The problem is that homosexuality is being forced on the masses propaganda style. With all the gays on TV and throughout entertainment media, you'd think a huge percentage of the population was that way--when in actuality, gays are a small minority, as proven by the ban on homosexual marriage that was just passed in CALIFORNIA of all places. Even at 10%, which is the percentage of gays in America that the media always reports but is refuted as too high by many studies, there is still an overabundance of homosexual portrayals in mainstream entertainment. I say, keep Northstar gay but make Colossus a real man once again.

"an overabundance of gays" unbelievable.

anyway, i just hope they handle the chatacter properly. like with midnighter, hes gay but the comic is not about him being gay he just happens to be. like omar in the wire. it doesnt shape his character.

Even "close-minded bigots" and religionists still have a right to be heard in this country, but the mainstream/pop-culture media is pushing their pro-gay agenda to the masses while quashing any differing viewpoint.

Just look at the cool-aid drinkers responding to my original post. They can't argue with me, so they insult. Typical lemmings jumping off the politically correct cliff.

Let me give you guys a tip. REAL women like REAL men. Start thinking for yourselves and don't turn into the pussies that the current wussy culture tells you to be like. That is, unless you WANT to be gay.

By the way. I'm not a hater. I just have an opinion. Am I allowed that? Alan Moore is one of my favorite comics writers and he is so pro-gay it makes me want to go shopping.

Johnny,
Where in all my posts have I "imposed my beliefs on other people" anywhere? I have only stated my opinion, which you seem to agree, is my right. So what is your problem?

As for insults, do I really need to point out the anti-religious slant you display in ALL your posts? If you don't think that is insulting to those of faith, then you're not nearly as smart as you think you are.

And by the way smart guy. You obviously don't understand that Prop 8 was an example of THE PEOPLE overturning LIBERAL JUDGES who overstepped their authority by forcing THEIR beliefs on the masses even when Californians had already voted against gay marriage. You might want to understand the facts of something before you argue it. It makes you look foolish.

Oh and rorschach, obviously this debate is beyond you that you would descend into insults without trying to say anything intelligent. And the fact that you are so interested in "shoving things up peoples asses" proves that you probably are already gay and could never attract a woman of my caliber.

I understand Prop 8 just fine. Allowing gays to marry does not force anything upon those who wish to live within their faith. NOT allowing gays to marry is a violation of civil rights, whether you want to accept that or not. You cannot have freedom for one group at the expense of another.Just because the majority approves it doesn't make it right. (see: Bush, George W, 2000-2008). I guess those abolitionists sure are looking foolish right about now, huh PG?

As for any anti-religious slant, I have no problem with faith. I do have a problem with blind acceptance without any thought for how YOUR choices affect others who disagree. And darling, YOU are the one who began the personal attacks regarding "real men." Do unto others and all that...

is that supposed to be an insult? maybe if i was a closed minded bigot like you i would be insulted to be called gay. do u even realise that your the one that started with the insults?? read back over the comments if your in any doubt. and the reason i didnt want to get into a debate about it is because its a waste of time argueing with someone whos believe system belongs in the dark ages

You probably think the Dark Ages were simply a time when there was no electricity. Go play with yourself rorschach01, I'm out of your league.

yknow i think i will do that, theres a show about black, gay, peadofile, dog raping necropheliacs starting on tv..thats right up my alley..im gonna pull the balls off myself YEEEHAAAWWW

but seriously im out, i had enough of this on the beyonce for wonder woman thread! i just wanna talk about comics folks

me? that dinner line cracked me up.

this chick has smarts tho eh? even if i dont agree with her beliefs, she backs em up

Comics and Movies lovers unite! PEACE out!

A gay TV show of a superhero. Sounds like a soap opera.

Hahahaha. I think this is pretty sweet. Not too fond of gay people myself, but they have just as many rights as i do, and i'll probably watch the show anyway, cause its Stan Lee's.

nice

Lestat,

"You make it sound as if gay people are on every single show."

My argument is that it is disproportional to reality and that it is Hollywood's way of propagandizing and normalizing the lifestyle in order to forward their agenda. Just look at all the Koolaid drinkers that have joined you and your activist friends and don't even know the details of prop 8. Gays and the media have successfully made a minority group from a sex act. And whether the TV show, film or comic book is gay themed or just has supporting actors doesn't really matter. Most major shows have a character either inferred or "out of the closet." If you really need a list. Here are a couple:
#1 - Heres a decent list I found.
#2 - Here's another listing at Wikipedia

There are plenty of current popular shows listed, like The Office, and Real World, but even these exhaustive lists don't show it all. I couldn't find any of the design shows I watch on cable where practically EVERY episode is hosted by or focused upon a gay couple's house!

"you're right about one thing...THE LGBT community IS a small percentage of the population, maybe 5%. By that logic, should Jews, who make up about 2% of the population be not shown on tv at all?

Thank you for confirming the smaller percentage. You wouldn't believe how hard I have to argue that to most koolaid drinkers. As for your argument that smaller minorities like Jews and Asians are also a small percent of the population, well, you are making my point for me. How many all Jew and all Asian shows to you see on TV or in the movies? Doesn't the Gay agenda seem to get a disproportionate amount of air time and focus considering that you admit they are only 5%? What is the Asian equivalent of Brokeback Mountain? How many shows touting a "very special episode of.." have been devoted to Judaism?

"...considering that we are such a small percentage of the overall population, how then can we even pose that much of a threat?"

The human family is already under attack by pop-culture, the normalization of homosexuality is just one of the tools that is being used to destroy it. If you take it to its logical extreme. There IS no "family" at all, is there. I'd say that is something people should protect and fight for.

"I'm as normalized as it gets. I wake up, I go to work, I hang out with my friends, I go to sleep, I do all the things "normal" people do, and only wish to be treated as such."

Exactly. You have your rights as an individual. Nobody has taken those away simply because the majority of us don't want to change the definition of marriage. So what is the problem?

I believe, that all of this hullabaloo is REALLY about gays desire for acceptance in society, and they are using the marriage thing as a vehicle. The overwhelming number of gays don't stay in monogamous partnerships anyway:
Psychology Today

I think you don't like the fact that even those people who SAY they accept you STILL look at homosexuality as a joke and don't take it seriously. Think about how its portrayed most of the time--even in the mainstream shows we're talking about. Generally it is made fun of.

"(There are) 1,049 protections granted to married couples under federal law."

Many of the "protections" you listed are included now in most states definitions of civil unions, or can be addressed. While I concede there ARE some differences between Marriage and Civil Unions, many of the discrepancies are debatable. For example, "joint bankruptcy," the legal responsiblity to pay your spouses debts isn't something anyone would call a "benefit" OR a "protection" and many of the tax laws are actually detrimental to marriage. And again, there are many laws that effect family issues--like the adoption of children that I believe should be taken out of the debate because they affect more than the individual. So, unless you want to debate an item by item list of them all, you can't just throw out a large number and say "See." The main reason I challenged Johnny above was that I could tell he was another koolaid drinker that didn't even know what he was arguing.

"Considering how many gay people I know with kids, some which (gasp!) they made themselves, not just adopted, your entire argument just collapsed."

You seem to like making my points for me. First of all, isn't it strange that there are some people that "go gay" later in life? Even after starting a family? Of course you can take that any way you want. To me, it is an argument that homosexuality is more of a choice than it is genetic. Thus, not a "right." Again, this begs the question of what acts we should give minority status to. Polygamy, Pedophilia, Fatty chasers, boot lickers, etc.

Secondly, just because there is the odd example of a monogomaous gay couple with kids (whether by adoption, or from former heterosexual relationships) that seem to be well adjusted, that isn't proof that all is right in the world. There are few who would disagree that the OPTIMAL situation for children is in a stable and loving two parent (male and female) home, but your desire to normalize and redefine marriage would have all those traditional societal norms eradicated.

Third, my comments above about the overwhelming reality being that homosexuals are NOT monogamous also makes the point.
Psychology Today

"...the concept of marriage as a loving bond between two consenting adult partners is a relatively new one in the overall scheme of things."

You're just wrong here--especially if you consider my main argument is the propagation and protection of the human family as beneficial to society.
The History of Marriage

"...equating being gay with bestiality and pedophilia is beyong insulting."

It is not my intent to insult gays, just making a point about it being and "act," not a right. Can the black man choose to be a different color? No. And civil rights was needed to offset public opinion in that case. Homosexuality is completely different. In my mind, and in the minds of many relgious people, homosexuality is a sexual perversion just like any other. You choose it, but it doesn't have to be chosen. It's like saying that my husband should be able to be an adulterer just because he is attracted to other women. He has sinful desires as we all do, but he has values and standards and chooses not to destroy our marriage. I'm sorry if you are offended, but you have to respect my beliefs just as I will respect yours. I don't expect you to live my my standards, but when you seek to destroy mine with something like a redefinition of marriage--even when the people have TWICE voted against it, I will fight it.

"At the end of the day, there are simply NO secular reasons why gay marriage can't be in this day and age. All reasons always boil down to a religious argument, as religion has NO PLACE in creating legal policy. Period."

You may be right in this statement, at least the first part, and that is very sad. Interesting that you had to insert the word "secular" in there. Anyone who is a student of history knows for a certainty that the founders of this nation were quite the religious bunch, and I know that is another pesky problem you secularists would like to rewrite and redefine. The fact is, all of this does revolve around religion, morals, standards and values. Yet, it is true that the world has become very godless and is going speedily towards hell. If some of you would learn about the end time prophesies, and see that this has all been predicted, you might wake up and smell the apocalypse.

"We in the LGBT community might have lost this battle, but we're winning the war. In 2000, Prop 22 to ban gay marriage was passed by 22 points. In 2008, it passed by 4 points. How do you think this is going to play out in the future? Time is on our side, as younger generations have less of a problem with gay people than their parents did."

You may find it surprising that I agree with you here too. I am fighting a losing battle. I know the world will burn in the end. I am just trying to delay it. Mainly, I fear for my kids. I fear the kind of world they will grow up in. A free-wheeling world of no standards or morals. And I fear for my nation. Just like in Rome, decadence and apathy will destroy a once great society. That's always what happens when the people lose true religion and make government their god. Socialism, Communism, all failures. Yet, we are going (skipping) down the same path.

"...there are certain CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS that are NOT up for a vote of any kind, regardless of how the mob rule mentality thinks. That's why those rights are IN the Constitution in the first place; to protect the minority FROM the majority. If the majority was always right, then slavery would still exist, women would not have the right to vote, interacial marriage would still be banned, and certain races couldn't buy certain homes. These are all things the "majority" was for, but didn't make them any more right."

As I have pointed out, to align homosexuality with the civil rights movement is totally wrong. A sexual preference should NOT grant minority status in the same way race and gender do. And obviously, blacks feel the same way because it was their votes on proposition 8 that thwarted gay marriage for the second time in California. But it is also telling, that even though the african american turn out against gay marriage was the REAL reason prop 8 passed, supporters are attacking religionists and leaving blacks alone--again, evidence of a desire of gays to REALLY want to change perceptions and values, NOT truly about marriage at all.

Dude, dont insult the Wolverine... he's been through a lot of pain, and the hidden memories of his tragic infancy somehow make him emotionally "unstable", you might wanna call him a "momma's boy", but not gay, OK?

On the other hand, way to go, Powergirl ! !
Pne thing is to believe what you believe, and other thing is to investigate and have good back-up for all of your opinions. That's great.

(You wanna grab a cup of coffe someday? :P )