The Problems of a Shared Universe

The Problems of a Shared Universe

The Avengers was a groundbreaking movie in many different ways...but how much of it's effects was actually positive? SauronsBANE1 takes a look at a few unintended consequences that Marvel's Cinematic Universe may have on the rest of their movies...

Editorial Opinion
By SauronsBANE - Oct 02, 2013 01:10 PM EST
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Comic book movies. It's the name of this site, so obviously the majority of the news and editorials are dominated by movies that are based on comic books. Although I'd stop short of calling this a "Golden Age" of comic book movies, the genre is exploding in ways that few could have ever predicted...and it's only going to get better from here.

It's arguable that 2012's The Avengers was the pinnacle of comic book movies, at least in recent memory. Aside from ensemble casts such as X-Men, The Avengers was the first attempt at combining several superheroes, each of whom had their own movie established beforehand, into one star-studded summer blockbuster that also happened to be hugely successful. It was unprecedented.



However, this decision to greenlight a shared movie universe also brought along it's own share of difficulties and issues that may or may not be resolved. Only time will tell. So what are these problems that stem from a shared cinematic universe?

1) Why can't the Avengers and other recurring elements get together for every movie?


Now, I definitely understand the so-called "comic book" reason for this. Obviously the comic book universe is immense and almost unimaginably huge, in both DC and Marvel. The same characters can't keep popping up in every. single. issue. without causing readers to become bored and the story to become predictable. Changing up which heroes happen to join together is a great way of keeping it fresh, exciting, and engaging.

And no explanation is needed for why a certain person didn't show up, because one would have to write tons of long-winded explanations for every single important missing character, and that's time-consuming and unnecessary. It's simply understood that this is something that happens in comics.

However, movies are a completely different animal. In a cinematic shared universe, there are different 'rules.' One rule that's unique to Marvel's universe (and hopefully, DC/Warner Bro's universe as well) is that there has to be a well-thought-out reason for why solo movies should even exist. Otherwise, that's just poor filmmaking, poor story-telling, and poor explanation of the characters motives. So in other words, why can't every movie be an Avengers-type of team up?

Take Iron Man 3, for example:

As we all know, during Phase One Marvel used a series of solo movies in order to establish the main characters, introduce a few recurring roles, and tie a few plot strands together that would all culminate in The Avengers.

The plan all along was that if the team-up movie was successful, Marvel would roll out Phase Two. This continues the adventures of three of the main Avengers while also introducing the Guardians of the Galaxy, another ensemble film that may crossover into a future Avengers movie. Phase Two will obviously end with The Avengers: Age of Ultron.

The first solo film of Phase Two was Iron Man 3. Riding high on the success of The Avengers, Tony Stark faced off against what seemed to be a terrorist mastermind, hordes of Extremis soldiers, and the man behind the curtain, Aldrich Killian.



One glaring question that movie faces is this: Why didn't SHIELD intervene and help Tony out? In this case, the "recurring element" that should've popped up again was SHIELD, the government agency that's been established in several Marvel movies so far, and which had its biggest role yet in The Avengers. So in a movie where the President is kidnapped, the United States is threatened and attacked repeatedly, what appeared to be a powerful terrorist running around causing chaos, and Tony Stark himself attacked and presumed dead...why didn't SHIELD think this was worth their time?

SHIELD certainly seemed eager to help Tony out with his relatively minor Daddy issues in Iron Man 2. The shady organization didn't even blink when given the opportunity to hunt down a nobody in the Marvel's Agents of SHIELD (really, two relative nobodies if you count Skye as well as Mike Peterson). So those incredibly small problems (compared to the big picture) warranted SHIELD's full attention, but a kidnapped President and matters of national and possibly even global security didn't raise any of SHIELD's alarms?

To be fair, this problem could easily be fixed in the upcoming movie Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Based on what we know about the movie so far, it would seem that a major upheaval threatens Nick Fury's organization, enough so that SHIELD understandably has its hands full at the moment. It was recently confirmed that the Captain America sequel occurs two years after the events of The Avengers, so if it turns out that Iron Man 3 takes place in the same period of time, that would satisfactorily explain SHIELD's absence. We'll have to wait and see if this turns out to be the case.



But this is a perfect example of the kind of in-story explanation that's sorely needed in a cinematic shared universe. However, this could become more of problem in future films if Marvel isn't careful.

Having said that, giving valid reasons for why solo movies should continue to take place without the help of other Avengers is actually something that the studio has gotten right so far, for the most part. Aside from Iron Man, Thor is left on his own in his sequel because, as shown at the end of The Avengers, he and Loki are transported back to Asgard, a place that the rest of the Avengers obviously can't go. Captain America has been in the employment of SHIELD as a secret agent, which explains why he can't be running around with high profile demi-gods, giant beasts, and genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropists. Bruce Banner, however, has strangely disappeared since the team-up movie, only showing up briefly in a post-credits scene. The same goes for War Machine's notable absence from it too. It's doubtful that we'll have much of an explanation as to either of their whereabouts during Iron Man 3 and The Avengers respectively, and that is very unfortunate and disappointing.

Marvel will need to continue to have nice, tidy reasons for why the plots of future movies can't include the rest of the superheroes, but that's just one snag in the cinematic universe.

2) Over-saturation.


The great thing about movies is that...they end. Seriously, a powerful conclusion can have an incredible effect on how a viewer perceives the film as a whole. This principle applies to Marvel's universe, as well.

We know that Marvel is definitely planning a Phase Three that ends with the movie we've all been waiting for: The Avengers 3, with our heroes presumably facing off against Thanos. But from recent comments by executives such as Kevin Feige...are they planning on concluding it there?

From a business point of view, what would be the point of that? Here Marvel has an extremely lucrative product on their hands which, so far, has never failed to deliver enormous amounts of profit and cash, even if the ratings haven't necessarily been all that great for every movie. It would be ridiculous to willingly stop producing these types of movies when both fanboys/fangirls and the general audience have proven that they will eat it up.

But from a fan's perspective, this could very well be too much of a good thing. At some point, the whole allure of a team-up movie will inevitably fade. Eventually it'll lose it's luster and audiences will simply shrug their shoulders when The Avengers 5 is announced in 2025. These movies will undoubtedly still be very profitable, but will it be worth it? The very worst thing that could happen would be for us to collectively look back at The Avengers 3 and sincerely wish that Marvel had stopped there.



This is similar to the problem that another major franchise may be running into soon: Star Wars.

While it's still to be decided whether or not Episodes 7-9 are really all that necessary, it's the separate standalone movies that should be a concern to us.

In addition to having an explosion of advertising and media coverage connected to Episode 7, we'll have to deal with one or two Star Wars movies a year chronicling the origins of several popular characters such as Han Solo and Yoda. But at some point, when is enough enough? Flooding the movie industry with constant bombardments of Star Wars products will tire out the fanbase very quickly.

Marvel would do well not to follow in their footsteps. When the over-arching story that began with Iron Man and draws to a satisfying close with The Avengers 3, hopefully Marvel will know to put their hands up, pat themselves on the backs for a job well done, and move on to telling other stories.

Conclusion.


Am I saying that if Marvel doesn't follow these guidelines to the letter, then the entire shared universe that we've seen so far has been a giant waste of time and money? Of course not. But in my opinion, these are two issues that, if resolved, will make for a much higher quality of movie and a much better story overall.

Obviously, we're not even close to seeing what else Marvel has in store for us with the endless possibilities of this universe. But with some great planning and a little bit of luck, maybe one day we can look back and these sorts of issues and be thankful that Marvel solved them, avoided them altogether, and delivered a thoroughly enjoyable, kick-ass cinematic universe for all of us.

Thanks for reading, and let me know your thoughts in the comments below!

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SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/2/2013, 1:34 PM
@SotoJuiceMan I couldn't have asked for a better 1st comment. Amazing haha. I agree though, comic book movies as a whole will become old news eventually, and Marvel will have to turn to either more obscure heroes or something else entirely. Disney has so much money, they'll be fine.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/2/2013, 1:34 PM
@NPaMusic Is that confirmed that that's when Iron Man 3 took place, because I've never heard that before. Now obviously IM3 had so much going on that shoehorning SHIELD into it would've felt just as tacked on as it did in Iron Man 2.

But my point is that there needs to be an explanation for why they wouldn't show up. That's terribly inconsistent that they would show up in IM 1 and 2 for such minor issues, but are completely missing in IM3. That kind of inconsistency is just as bad as if a major character suddenly made a bunch of out-of-nowhere choices that go completely out of character. In effect, SHIELD is a character in the MCU.

I was just trying to think of a reason for why they wouldn't be in IM3, and the absolute chaos that's going to take place in SHIELD in CA:TWS is a perfect reason for not showing up. That's hardly "reaching really hard," IMO.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/2/2013, 1:48 PM
@NPa Okay, that confirmation kind of disappoints me but it is what it is. It just means either there's another explanation out there that they haven't revealed yet, as you said, or there is no explanation. Where we disagree is the fact that if there isn't, that's a problem.

And you seem to misunderstand why I included all that stuff about SHIELD in my editorial. I used it as ONE example for why Marvel movies need to address why the Avengers can't keep teaming up in every movie. I get that it's Stark's journey, it's Thor's journey, it's Rogers' journey, etc etc.

But there needs to be a logical, well-thought out, real-world reason for why they can't team up. So theoretically, Bruce Banner called up Stark in IM3, told him he can't help out because it's "Stark's journey", and left it at that? But for whatever reason, teaming up in The Avengers was okay?

The purpose of including that stuff about SHIELD was to highlight the main point of why there needs to be a reason to keep the Avengers from teaming up every time. As you'll notice, the entire article isn't about SHIELD. You're the one making a big deal about that issue, not me.
NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 10/2/2013, 2:50 PM
S.H.I.E.L.D. was on cleanup duty. Simple as.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/2/2013, 4:16 PM
@NPa Trust me, I know you weren't saying that about Banner and Stark, I was just exaggerating to make my point. I agree with you that SHIELD must've had their hands full with something else, and that's exactly what made me think that the Captain America sequel could have something to do with it.

And to be honest, I'm not that upset with Banner not being in IM3 except for that cameo at the end (or the begininng haha), I mean, it IS an Iron Man movie, after all. It's more annoying that War Machine wasn't given any explanation whatsoever in IM3 for being missing in The Avengers.
CaptainHulk3
CaptainHulk3 - 10/2/2013, 5:40 PM
@sauronsbane1 they did a IM3 or Avengers post comic tie that said Warmachine was in Asia looking for the mandrain? He supposedly shows up in the middle of them eating shwarma post battle of NY! Also in the comic book tie ! Not sure pre IM3 or post Avengers???
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/2/2013, 6:06 PM
@intruder Chill with the Marvel vs. DC crap. How you haven't been banned yet is beyond me.

@CaptainHulk3, I actually did hear about something along those lines, but I never knew whether or not it was canon. Still, that doesn't excuse them for not putting ANY sort of explanation in Iron Man 3. I mean, I would've been happy with a vague throwaway line about "missing the action in New York" or something like that.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 10/2/2013, 6:55 PM
Ya know, the vice president of the united states was working with the Mandarin. It was a big part of the plot. I can't believe nobody has said he could of had something to do with it. Nice article by the way.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 10/2/2013, 7:10 PM
But the whole point of the MCU is to male the movies like the comics.

I think you may be missing that fact. Comics are constantly ending with lead-ins to the next big thing or status quo. Ending it at phase 3 would defeat the whole purpose of what they set out to do, which is make movies in the same way they make comics.

If you are wondering why other characters arent helping out in each other's solo films then sit back and think about it like this for a minute.

Just like in Phase 1, no one knows what those other characters are doing during IM3. Look at Thor, Incredible Hulk, and IM2 from phase 1. While Hulk is fighting the military in one place, Thor is dropping to earth on another with no powers and truing to reclaim Mjolnir. While that is happening, Iron Man is busy fighting his alcoholism and deciding whether he is going to continue being Iron Man because he thinks he only has a short amount of time left to live in IM2.

Those things were all going on at about the same time. In fact, during IM2, Coulson leaves to go investigate Thor's hammer falling to earth.

My point is this. During IM3, how do you know that SHIELD doesn't have their hands full helping Captain America deal with Winter Soldier and whatever crazy organization is behind that? How do you know that Thor isn't in a different realm dealing with Maliketh for the events of Thor 2?

You can't know that. The whole thing is this. Each character is their own person with their problems. They will not always have the time to show up and help out their buddies. Unless you are Wolverine and can show up in 10 places at once of course. :)
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/2/2013, 7:14 PM
@WYLEEJAY, Thanks! As for the Vice President, you're right that he was in on the plot with Killian. But I don't see how that fact changes anything I wrote about.
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 10/2/2013, 7:15 PM
Uh yeah last I checked shield was a GLOBAL AGENCY. Not an AMERICAN AGENCY. Terrorists and such are not part of what they worry about. Thats for america to figure out. Shield takes care of superhuman threats. Also Tony stark was on the mandarin scene for 1 day before his house was destroyed. Which only took 15 Minutes. So you think all of shield can show up and save him in that much time? And after that nobody knew tony was alive. Also as for the other Avengers. Same thing, they can't be everywere at once. Cap is obviously in new york. Thor is on another planet. Hulk doesn't want to fight anyway. Hawk and Blackwidow again deal with superhuman issues.
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 10/2/2013, 7:17 PM
Also War Machine was given an explination for why he didn't join the Avengers in a short comic. He was in the middle east. The battle only wen't on for about an hour. Ddin't have enough time to show up.
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 10/2/2013, 7:19 PM
But other than that, Sometimes you have to go with it. They don't have enough time to explain why every single character is gone. Just say in your head "He's either busy or thinks they can handle it"
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/2/2013, 7:21 PM
@CorndogBurglar, I'm afraid you've missed the point of my article. The point of the MCU isn't to make movies exactly like the comics. I think the Mandarin twist in IM3 proves that. The MCU is adapting the comic books into movies, which is a completely different thing.

As for your next point, Phase One clearly established that the movies were going on at the same time, hence why none of them crossed over into each others movies. I'm fine with that, no problem whatsoever. In fact that's something Marvel did very well with. Until Phase Two.

"During IM3, how do you know that SHIELD doesn't have their hands full helping Captain America"....I wrote about that exact same scenario in my article. As I said in the article, I would be fine if that's the precise reason why SHIELD didn't show up in IM3, but that's not the case. In the comments, some users showed proof that IM3 and CA:TWS take place at completely different intervals of time.

"How do you know that Thor isn't in a different realm dealing with Maliketh for the events of Thor 2?" Again, I wrote about that exact same thing in the article, and again, I said I'm fine with that. You may want to re-read the article again, it seems you didn't read it very carefully the 1st time around.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/2/2013, 7:29 PM
@dougieisrollingthejays, The Mandarin aka Aldrich Killian obviously had global plans. He had also been wreaking havoc in other parts of the world besides the US, so that more than warrants SHIELD's attention. It makes no sense for SHIELD to be so concerned about Stark's minor Daddy issues in IM2 but completely ignore a threat to an entire nation and the rest of the world.

As for nobody knowing that Stark was alive...you're telling me a highly advanced, technologically advanced, super-secret agency that has Heli-carriers and possibly Life Model Decoys and all sorts of other gadgets...you're saying they couldn't do a little investigating or spying to find out if Stark really was dead?

And even if he WAS dead, would SHIELD just sit on their hands and go: "Oh well, one of our highest profile, most famous, most important members of the Avengers was brutally murdered by a terrorist. Can't do anything about it now!" At this point, SHIELD definitely should've gotten involved. You said it yourself, SHIELD takes care of "superhuman threats", and one of their superheroes may have just died. Killian most definitely seems like a superhuman threat to me.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/2/2013, 7:31 PM
also @dougieisrollingthejays, I even talked about the other heroes like Cap and Thor in the article, and I had no problem with them not being involved. As for Hulk, when was it ever established that he just "doesn't want to fight anyway"??
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 10/2/2013, 8:39 PM
What I meant about the Vice President, was that he would have first hand knowledge about how to keep the presidents location unknown so well after they kidnapped him. He was probably a consultant for Killian. I agree though, they could of taken a small moment to at least mention Shield was doing the best they could to get information. At least a reference.
Orphix
Orphix - 10/3/2013, 4:04 AM
There seems to be some confusion in the timeline of events concerning the various films - and with good reason!

I am not sure where anyone 'official' says IM3 takes place 6 months after The Avengers but the evidence doesn't support this.

The newspaper Harley gives Tony in IM3 has the date 22nd December 2013. Whereas the posters advertising the museum opening in Stuttgart is the 2nd May 2012.

My timeline tries to address some of these issues

http://www.tiki-toki.com/timeline/entry/5395/A-Marvel-Cinematic-Universe-Timeline/#vars!date=0773-11-13_13:36:57!

However - I am beginning to think that as soon as Tony says "I am Iron Man!" the comicbook tradition of the 'sliding timeline' approach.
Orphix
Orphix - 10/3/2013, 4:05 AM
*...takes place
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 10/3/2013, 9:02 AM
@sauron Well Stark never really popped up, so would have been hard to find. Also if they WERE looking for the Mandarin, it would have been the same thing as the US. Getting tipped off to the wrong place. Also Nobody knew killian has these super powers. Except for AIM. Its not like everyone knew Killian was a behind anything. Also its still America's war. Not SHIELDs. Otherwise they would have to help with every. Single. War. That doesn't make much sense. Also the reason they were talking to stark in IM2 was that they wanted him on SHIELD. SHIELD would have had new like this. At the end of the Avengers they don't know were the Avengers are. Stark appears on the news saying "Its between me and the mandarin". Shield either A: Goes and protects him becuase they don't think he can handle a terrorist, or B: Stay away because he can handle himself/decide he can fight the battle he picked. Then we find out he has been killed. They either A: go after the mandarin, probably find the false trails. or B: Say it was his fight, and America's fight. After this Iron man doesn't pop up again until after he has killed the Mandarin, which shield couldn't have showed up during the fight because it was short. So either they would have had to intervien as soon as tony died (And maybe go to the middle east like Iron Patriot did) Or just stay out of the way.

Also I have a feeling that banner doesn't really want to fight. He's been constantly gone against fighting except for when the aliens attacked. But either way, if he was ok with it. He wouldn't have been able to find stark more than likely.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/3/2013, 11:39 AM
@WYLEEJAY okay I see what you mean. And yeah a little reference would've been nice. Not a humongous problem, but annoying nonetheless. Thanks again for reading!
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/3/2013, 11:44 AM
@NPa Correct, Stark's dad was one of their founding members. So? He's been dead. That still doesn't explain why SHIELD would pay so much attention to Tony in something that wasn't very serious at all, compared to the huge Mandarin threat and Tony's presumed death.

@Orphix, Wow that's a great timeline! When I have time later I'll definitely look into it in detail. But in a link that another user provided earlier in the comments, it seems to confirm when IM3 takes place in respect to The Avengers.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/3/2013, 12:41 PM
@ dougieisrollingthejays, The difference between the Mandarin "war" (if it can even be considered one) and every other US war is the fact that Tony Stark, a vitally important member of the Avengers, is directly involved with the Mandarin conflict. Of course they'd pay extra attention to one of their superhero members fighting in another conflict or war. It's naive to think that SHIELD wouldn't be monitoring and keeping an eye on every member of the Avengers, especially Tony, after the events in NY.

As for the Mandarin, it's obvious he wasn't in another country. Tony proclaimed to the public he was going after the Mandarin...and then proceeded to never leave the country at all. It's hard to miss the most famous playboy superhero leaving the country.

And even if SHIELD couldn't physically help out in the Malibu mansion attack, don't you think they'd have surveillance on his house, just in case? It'd be next to impossible to miss Tony's suit flying him away to Tennessee right after the attack ended.

With Banner, his absence isn't a MAJOR issue, just slightly odd. As I said before: after all, it's an Iron Man movie.
BrowniesExplode
BrowniesExplode - 10/3/2013, 2:43 PM
You guys are forgetting that Tony is Iron man right.
Did you guys forget his speech at the D.O.D. in Iron man 2.
Besides Kevin fiege has said Shields absence will be explained in Captain america.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/3/2013, 3:05 PM
@MCUfan1...I think it's safe to say that no one is 'forgetting' that Tony is Iron Man. I'm not sure what led you to think that but I honestly have no idea where that came from or how it affects anything anyone's said so far.

And I don't remember Feige saying that about SHIELD, but I certainly hope that's the case.
Wallymelon
Wallymelon - 10/4/2013, 8:58 AM
i agree with a lot of your points. it bothered me that SHIELD wasn't in the film. That is one of the main threads of continuity that mattered besides referencing the Avengers. I however feel there isn't much of a need for an explanation of why the other Avengers weren't there. In context of the film SHIELD should have just had a presence, at least looking for Stark, and giving him some intel. I also wish Rhodey had more to do, but thats another story.

I hope Agents of SHIELD is the in-between Avengers and Iron Man 3. Getting to an eventual explanation of why they weren't around for the movie. I have faith. I trust that it will all connect nicely. Really excited for Thor and the rest of Phase 2.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/4/2013, 11:48 AM
@ fangz, I think you hit the nail right on the head. Shared universes have a way of dictating what should happen in each movie, rather than a director just having a good idea about what should happen and making a movie about it.

To go along with your IM2 example, I'm fairly certain Marvel told director Jon Favreau to include Black Widow, Nick Fury, and SHIELD in the movie to further set up The Avengers. Whether or not Favreau wanted to put them in it, he had to figure out a way to shoehorn them in, and that's why their presence feels so forced in the movie.

It's similar to Spider-man 3 and the studio forcing the director to use the whole Venom plotline in the movie when he obviously didn't want to.

You're right about Captain America, but I think the sequel will be much better. Based on what Kevin Feige has said about IM3 and CA:TWS, he basically let them do their own thing with minimal studio interference. But obviously Whedon had to manage what they did to an extend to make sure they didn't mess anything up for Avengers 2.

Still, I 100% get what you're saying. Very well said!
Wallymelon
Wallymelon - 10/4/2013, 3:02 PM
@fangz and @suaron i see where your'e going with it, but I disagree. Shared Universes cant really take away a directors vision. Unless their vision is so different from what the universe is. I dont think Edgar Wright wrote Ant-Man as a stand alone film with his own universe. You forget they are adapting marvel characters. Even though each character has a personal universe, they still belong to a society which functions in its own universe. So in knowing that its a character from this giant universe that is already planning to be apart of a shared universe because the studio has the rights to all these characters, that film is going to be apart of a shared universe. Just like fantastic four added silver surfer, or the x-men adding all of it's characters, and wolverine solo film characters. In the CBM world when a studio owns rights to all these characters its all technically a shared universe. Unless the studio allows the director to completely make his own standalone movie.

For example if Fox makes a Deadpool movie that isn't connected to the X-men Universe. I see your point there and it would be cool to see. But also being able to put your stamp or imprint on something that's apart of something bigger is so beautiful in its own right. It's a collaboration where everyone gets a voice.

With the Marvel films, every movie done by a different director feels completely different from the next film yet they're in the same universe.
The Incredible Hulk was a action thriller
Iron Man trilogy is a action comedy
Thor 1 is a fish out of water coming of age redemption film
Cap 1 is a period piece
Avengers is war film

All different tones like they should be treated with, but they are connected.

Every director gets their vision, you forget they dont all write the movies. The writers are the ones that really have to deal with Marvel. They can write a great movie and then it'll all change cuz marvel wants them to change something. It could be for good reason. I've liked every film so far, clearly on varying degrees though.

SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/4/2013, 9:58 PM
@ Wallymelon I think you're misunderstanding. I don't think fangz meant that Ant-Man is a standalone movie in the sense that it takes place in a separate universe than the Avengers and all the other movies take place. He was stating that Ant-Man is pretty much Edgar Wright's movie. Marvel isn't interfering much at all. It's likely an origin story, so whatever Wright does with him probably won't affect whatever Whedon and Feige have planned for the future. Which means Wright has more creative freedom to do what he actually wants to do with the character.

No one's saying this isn't a shared universe, although I disagree with your definition of one. By your logic, then the Incredible Hulk is a 'shared universe'by itself simply because Marvel has the rights to the Abomination and they used him in the movie. Shared universes don't have as much to do with the fact that the studio has the rights to the characters. It's more to do with establishing several movies about their own central characters, and then bringing those different characters together into one movie, like The Avengers.

And as for directors not writing movies...you'd be surprised. It's the director's vision of the movie that the writers work with. If the director doesn't like it, then the writers don't do it. Simple as that. So no, it's not like only the writers have to deal with studio interference, not by a long shot. At the end of the day, it's the director's call. Except when the studio tells him otherwise. And that's exactly when creative freedom goes down the tubes, and we end up with movies such as Spider-Man 3 or Iron Man 2. I agree, some of the changes can be good. Usually they're not.
Wallymelon
Wallymelon - 10/5/2013, 2:26 PM
@sauron i hear you man.
HBComics
HBComics - 10/8/2013, 6:36 PM
Great post! You make two very good points. As a viewer I do wonder why other characters wouldn't show up but when I'm reading comics the thought doesn't cross mind. Also you are right about to much of a good thing. I definitely want Marvel to continue to make movies but once they get phase three wrapped up it would be best if they switched gears for a few years. They have so many different characters and comics to draw from that it's not necessary to keep milking the cow to the point of making 5, 6, or 7 Avenger movies. Down the road they can always revive the franchise. I'm just happy that we are in the middle of the whole experience.
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