WB Puts a Stop to R-rated Superhero Films

WB Puts a Stop to R-rated Superhero Films

Lets just hope that the WB does not start acting like Fox. R ratings are one thing but when you start killing plot points for your own advantage (Fox) then that becomes a real problem.

By jman1977 - Mar 20, 2009 09:03 AM EST
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Source: iesb.net

With Watchmen failing to reach that imaginary dollar mark that makes the studio feel good about themselves, WB is leaning towards no more R rated Superhero tent poles

"The biggest superhero film last year (and of all time) was a WB film, The Dark Knight, which grossed $1,001,842,429 worldwide and it was rated PG-13. Iron Man, another big hit last year, grossed $582,030,528 worldwide and was rated PG-13. Everybody took their families to these movies, kids bought the shirts and the toys and the masks etc. which means more money for the studio.

On the other hand, Zack Snyder's Watchmen was rated R and I am sure the fact that it was 2 hours and 40 minutes long also had something to do with it, but it bowed at $55 million opening weekend and then sharply dropped off. You can't take your kids to this one, not sure if you'd even be comfortable watching it with your mother. Don't get me wrong, I really liked it and thought it was a fantastic piece of filmmaking, but it's definitely for adults only. And no kids will be asking mommy to buy them shirts or Rorschach masks from this one.

How much of the movie going market - specifically those that go to see superhero/genre films - is cut out by rating a film R versus a PG-13? Warner Bros. thinks too much and is said to be focusing solely on PG-13 rated superhero/tent pole films only, definitely harder than the "family friendly" superhero films of Fantastic Four but not in the R rated range. Think about it, the movie going audience is "huge", now the genre/superhero movie going audience is a portion of that "huge" and the R rated/genre/superhero movie going audience is an even smaller portion of that "huge." It makes a lot of sense to make the movie for the largest audience possible and still respect the property.

Not that it's a superhero film, but it is a genre tent pole, Terminator Salvation, PG-13 or R? WB wants PG-13; director McG wants R just like the originals. McG was outspoken about the ratings debacle at WonderCon 2009 who said he wants the Moon Bloodgood in the rain topless scene kept in the film. WB wants it nixed to comply with the PG-13 guidelines. This was before the R-rated Watchmen premiered but the studio apparently already had the feeling that PG-13 was the way to go to make the big box office bucks with the genre.

So you can bet your ass Green Lantern and Wonder Woman will be PG-13. However, I've been told Jonah Hex, set for August 2010, is still a go for an R rating however WB doesn't consider it a "superhero" movie per se but a rather a comic book adaptation and not one of their tent pole films."

It’s too bad that WB is blaming this decision indirectly on Watchmen. To be fair Watchmen was a good movie but it wasn’t great. The movie needed less peter shots and Hell, Rorschach could have had his own movie that probably would have been more successful then Watchmen. I can understand the studios need to appeal to the younger crowd but what about the younger crowd of 10, 15 or 20 years ago? We have all grown up, and now that we are no longer 10, it would be nice to look forward to a few adult oriented comic movies. In saying this I also have to iterate that we will not be getting any R rated Batman, GL, Wonder women, or any other mainstream hero movies. I know this because WB won’t be having any chances of less profit making going on. Watchmen made 55 million opening weekend, then it dropped off. It’s too bad the WB won’t look at that as somewhat of a success. There have been far worse projects the WB has released making far less money. Can anyone say Speedracer? Speedracer is hard core proof that just because its kiddy doesn’t mean

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Betty
Betty - 3/20/2009, 10:07 AM
I wish they would just take the source material into consideration. I've never read a Batman, WW, GL, xmen, avengers, or any other mainstream book that seemed to me to be R-rated. Watchmen, i would say, (the novel) was very r-rated. Terminator traditionally is very R-rated. It's about wiping out the human race because of our own evils. How could that NOT be r-rated. Plus with all that killing and seriousness, instead of comic relief, why not thin it out with a little breast action.

just to make a point, demographically:
Superhoeroes shouldn't=kid audience
Cartoons shouldn't=kid audience


I hate that it is all about reaping the most money instead of delivering a fine product. Kids dont have money. Parents have money. The way to make the most money is to make something that parents will also pay to watch. I wish they would stick to the atmosphere of the source material when they make these movies.

Im sorry, Speedracer was the shit. I'm probably the only one here who loves that movie.
Justadjust
Justadjust - 3/20/2009, 10:13 AM
Its not like we are in a recession or anything. A lot of people cant afford to go to the movies. I for one have not seen Watchmen (though I want to really bad), that has to have a serious impact.

And again, our beloved characters and stories will never be fully recognized because the big dollar is what is most important. Man, imagine what the world would be like if pride and accountability were more important.
ThisFan
ThisFan - 3/20/2009, 12:17 PM
i like the R rated ones alot but i mean they havent made one thats good enough yet
they should be to adults not kids i agree 100% with that
i hate kids who talk about dark knight and watchmen and dont get most of what happened i want to shut up them
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 3/20/2009, 12:18 PM
They only done one lol!!! WATCHMEN!!!!!! An that was the comicbook movie of the DECADE!!! ; ) Awwwww!!! Still GREEN LANTERN, FLASH, JUSTICE LEAGUE, etc, aint gonna be R rated anyway lol!!! : D
HarrisonBergeron
HarrisonBergeron - 3/20/2009, 12:29 PM
Justadjust, you have it backwards, when the economy goes south theater going increases. It's been this way since the Great Depression. It's called escapism. People can put there worries away for two hours and $10, which is supposed to be a bargain.
Herc509
Herc509 - 3/20/2009, 12:39 PM
It pretty much depends on the character, Wonder Woman, Superman & other real goody two shoe heroes can get away with a PG-13 reating. Darker characters like Batman, Watchmen need to have an R rating. I didn't too much care for the X-Men series for that very reason, too kid friendly. Terminator has no business being a PG-13 rated movie, just the fact that I'm even discussing the importance of a movie rating is ridiculous & I'm insulted.
JohnnyKrypton
JohnnyKrypton - 3/20/2009, 12:41 PM
Yeah, 'cause they really took a bath on "300"...dummies.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 3/20/2009, 12:46 PM
Its all about the benjamins. [frick] em. In fairness we dont need an R rating for stuff like Green Lantern or Flash..even Batman Wolverine are fine as PG13, my only worry is for stuff like Preacher and Sandman..if these idiots dont want to make R rated comic movies anymore then theres no way they will see the light of day
gestlmutant
gestlmutant - 3/20/2009, 12:54 PM
there's no way that watchmen could have had a r rating and still been anywhere close to the graphic novel. punisher: war zone didn't do very good at the box office but it was incredible and is the first punisher movie to do the comic justice. Batman, spiderman, and the x-men fit a pg-13 rating, yes. but it is wrong to take away from the plot and characters just to make conservative mommies and daddies happy.

Making a good product should come before making money. and if the studios did bring movies like sandman, jonah hex, and preacher down to a pg-13 rating then the fans, the ones who really detirmine how good a movie does won't give a shat. and the movie will suck and won't make any money.

And Terminator Salvation needs to be true to its franchise and keep the violence, blood, language and themes. Or else it won't be a terminator movie.
Juicerules
Juicerules - 3/20/2009, 1:03 PM
I liked Speed Racer a lot too Betty.

If Watchmen was PG-13 it probably would've made more money. It would've been garbage as well though. Studios should worry more about the scripts then their precious demographics. Remember 300 was a monster R rated success. As soon as Sin City 2 rolls around and makes some coin the studios will start allowing some more R Rated super Hero flicks IMO.

I don't think Batman, Iron Man, Hulk etc need to be Rated R, but if a good R Rated script comes to the fore front then they shouldn't shy away from it or cut out key elements to make it PG-13
Gordonious
Gordonious - 3/20/2009, 1:05 PM
Why don't they just make 2 versions? 2 different movie theaters. They wouldn't have to redo the whole movie. Just add a little something for the adults. Like the DVD's. Oh. And they can still add extras to the DVD's for people who like to buy the DVD's for the extras.(For all you who were about to say "But their DVD's sales would drop cause they already added in the theaters.") I actually think this would make them more money. More options always equals more money. With all these great minds in the movie business you would think that they would have thought of this already.
If this idea goes through I want half the gratuities. And I feel sorry for the guy who can't afford $10 to see Watchmen. I mean we all have it tough. But times must really be tough for this guy. Sorry for bashing you but if your heart was set on seeing this movie you would have. $10 for the whole year isn't going to break you.
Juicerules
Juicerules - 3/20/2009, 1:07 PM
I thought Punisher Warzone was one of the worst movies of the year, but it definitely needs to be rated R. I wouldn't even bother seeing a PG-13 Punisher. How sad was it when Live Free or Diehard was rated PG-13. Thank god for the unrated cut.

It's funny how the dvd's are unrated and parents don't care if their children watch these, but they aren't allowed to watch these versions in the theaters. PATHETIC.
ElBeaster
ElBeaster - 3/20/2009, 1:10 PM
This made me worry at first, until i read the entire article. They're still gonna make R rated graphic novels as long as they don't have to do with superheroes which is fine by me. PG-13 Super-hero flicks from now on will be fine as long as they don't attempt to make adult-based heroes PG-13. If it needs an R, just don't make it.
CRUSH
CRUSH - 3/20/2009, 1:17 PM
WTF
CRUSH
CRUSH - 3/20/2009, 1:25 PM
I'm with Rorschach on this, how the hell are they going to make a Preacher or Sandman movie ?? boooooooooooo.
breakUbatman
breakUbatman - 3/20/2009, 1:30 PM
I can understand trying to appeal to a larger demographic but surely if you put out a good enough project people will go see it
Shadowelfz
Shadowelfz - 3/20/2009, 1:53 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Preacher ends up a NC-17. That comic was messed up ;)
CRUSH
CRUSH - 3/20/2009, 2:00 PM
If Watchmen was a "huge" success then WB would of most definitely wanted to make a prequel,a sequel & spin-offs to keep the franchise going...so maybe it's a good thing the Watchmen movie wasn't one of the biggest movie's of all-time, like some of us hoped it could have been...to be fair in time Watchmen will probably be a "cult classic" and not a "classic" movie, so what?? so was the comic for years, this movie just needs time to sink in with the general public, just like the comic, & me personally I loved the movie, I've seen it 3 times, but at the rate hollywood's going I feel like I will see a reboot of Watchmen before I die !
WB would be crazy if they stop making R rated films, I mean they should know people want to see R rated movies & that those movies will not make Batman/Spiderman numbers at the box office...how will WB make any DC/Vertigo graphic novel adaptations like: Y: The Last Man,100 Bullets & The Losers ??? WTF.
TheLarTheorem
TheLarTheorem - 3/20/2009, 2:22 PM
This is [frick]ing stupid. Did WB seriously think Watchmen was going to bring in the kiddies or something??
CrookedJaw
CrookedJaw - 3/20/2009, 2:30 PM
what about 300? Bloody, gory, sexual, all around violent, and rated R! 300 did great in the box office! That's because it appealed to the mainstream audiences better. Watchmen was great, but every time I asked someone if they had seen it or were going to see it, they either didn't know what the hell it was, or were confusing it with something else. The marketing campaign made the move to seem like something it wasn't, and people were confused. 300, on the other hand...what's not to understand? War, fighting, awesome...Watchmen? Complex intertwining story that deals with the emotional turmoil of being a vigilante, as well as a super being. Watchmen was an amazing movie, but you gotta think about the material...most people aren't smart enough to value it's true worth...the R rating isn't that bad of a "fence" on the movie...if people want to see it bad enough (like 300) they're gunna go see it.
BillyBlack
BillyBlack - 3/20/2009, 3:24 PM
Word up SirPrize

They were close, they had everything set and the new management team of HBO scrapped it because it was "too dark". As if that wasn't the fkn point to begin with. It's getting harder and harder for me to keep faith in HBO. At least when I heard Sam Mendes was doing it I felt a bit better, but if they wanna dick around and worry about R ratings, it's gonna suffer.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 3/20/2009, 3:24 PM
PEACHER and SANDMAN arn't really Superhero movies!!! Oh and wtf, i liked WAR ZONE alot but it wasn't as good as Tom Janes PUNISHER!!! For a start how can you kill MICRO in his first Movie appearance also JIGSAW had just been born too! To kill them both in the last 5 mins was crap an F'ing lame!!! But until that i loved WAR ZONE!!! Pity they ruined the end! Liongate tut tut, hey its time PUNISHER makes the small screen!!! ; )
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 3/20/2009, 3:32 PM
GUYS!! READ GORDONIOUS POST!!! It's a damn good idea!! Oh and WARNERS, whats wrong with you!!! I knew WATCHMEN wouldn't make anything near TDK!!! Even though WATCHMEN'S the comicbook movie of the DECADE!!! It's not a household name like BATTY or SPIDEY etc!! Still, damn fine movie!!! ; )
LastSon1027
LastSon1027 - 3/20/2009, 3:42 PM
300 Wasn't really a superhero movie though if you think about it.
HR
HR - 3/20/2009, 3:43 PM
its so weird how so many people fought to keep this movie on track with its release date and then this happens. Its one of those things that if people just gave it a chance they would see how good of a movie it is.
DarkAvengers
DarkAvengers - 3/20/2009, 3:46 PM
2 versions? Thats what unrated DVD versions are for.
Justadjust
Justadjust - 3/20/2009, 3:50 PM
Gordonious - I an assuming your last comment was directed toward me, so I will explain myself, so you dont have a need to make ignorant comments.

Your right, it is only ten dollars (usaully twenty cause my wife comes along). In times like these, money needs to be cut across the board. Yeah its only ten dollars, and ten here and ten there, it all adds up. Then where do you draw the line? My wife and I decided that ALL spending needs to be limited especially entertainment. Which I would assume is with most people.

Maybe thats the problem. Maybe if society decided to save more rather than sinking money in our sorrows, people wouldnt be so bad off. Maybe this recession will teach people to save more than they spend.

Also, I work in residential construction. I have been hit pretty hard, so yeah, ten bucks is a lot to me. If its not to you, then you should be thankful that YOU are surviving this better than most.

Soory everyone for getting off the topic in my rant, but that really pissed me off.

Oh and Ratner is still a douche! BONG
Minotauro
Minotauro - 3/20/2009, 3:55 PM
Watchmen was a great movie!..period. I think they guy who wrote this blog needs too quit trying to compare Watchmen with the Dark Knight, and Ironman.. Dark Knight was good but not that great!..Ironman was good and just perfect for what it made..But money doesnt make a movie great just about how much it makes?..try again dude..
Gose
Gose - 3/20/2009, 4:12 PM
RECESSION PEOPLE ..... rated R, XXX, B, A PG-13, rated KIDS whatever ..... wake up people.. ITs CRUNCH TIME !
CaptainAmazing
CaptainAmazing - 3/20/2009, 5:36 PM
I liked Speedracer.
TheMyth
TheMyth - 3/20/2009, 6:00 PM
In all reality, the most popular comicbook properties don't need to be R-rated. And the reason Watchmen didn't make bank is because it was a cult-classic. It may not have done great in theaters, but it may break DVD sales records still. A lot of movies have been known to do that, bomb in theaters only to make incredible DVD sales.

@fotc: I disagree about your ideals of Zach Snyder. While is isn't a phenom in his field, he is better than your average filmmaker. There are many hings that I got from the movie that just weren't conveyed as well in the novel, and thats just being real with you all. His visual style is one-of-a-kind, but that doesn't mean he'd make a better FX-man. Those of us who've seen it know its one of the best comic-movie's ever. I think that speaks mountains to Snyder's ability as a director. If anything, it was the fanboy in him that created the flaws you've mentioned.

After all, who can deny that this has been the most loyal-to-the-source comic-movie ever made, and if any of you still found it lacking, then maybe you should be more approving of what studios like Fox do to our stories. Just a thought.

@Gose: Recession means very little to the American consumer market. As a nation of consumers, the majority will continue their spending habits regardless of the state of the economy. I still see just as many tweens, college chics, and soccer mom's fill the mall for Abercrombie and Dolce. I was at my comic shop, Crash Comics of Paducah KY, and noticed the owner was preparing for a large sale. I asked him, quite worriedly, if they were closing. He laughed and told me that he just had alot of back stock in storage he wanted to clear out. He went on to tell me how if someone were to ask him, there is no recession. He said people still come in, every bit as often as they have, and buy the books they love.
We're a consumer nation, just because the government says we're hurting monetarily, isn't going to stop people from splurging for the luxuries they're accustomed to.
Doritos
Doritos - 3/20/2009, 6:00 PM
That's what happens when you do it FOR THE FANS!
that's why there are adaptions, its a bussiness not for please people.

Biggest and 1st bomb of the year, watchmen.
TheMyth
TheMyth - 3/20/2009, 6:09 PM
@Doritos: Your a disgrace. Do the world a favor please, pull your bottom lip over your head and swallow.

Doritos
Doritos - 3/20/2009, 6:53 PM
@TheMyth You want to see R rated movies on theaters ? are you even old enough to go watch them ? i mean with your little comment reply on me NOT respecting my opinion makes you sound so immature, do you only sound immature or you actualy are ?

And i said the truth, truth hurts huh ?
Are you sad because i said watchmen bombed ? because you know it did, 2 weeks already and it didnt even make it's own budget ? lol...That's what happens when you promote a movie non-action to look like it is.
Or are you sad because i said that it's a bussines and they are not doing movies to please the fans ? because lemme tell you alittle secret...its the truth, sorry ;_;
EvilEd2000
EvilEd2000 - 3/20/2009, 6:57 PM
Just seen watchmen IT RULES!!! What the hell. They should be begging the guy who made it to direct the next superman movie, i cant get over how well it was done, i had serious doubts but i though it was brillant cant wait for the extra long version.

Seriously dont stop making brilliant films cause the target audiance seems too small, garantee dvd sales will go through the roof, and just know that a rated pg Puniser, blade, spawn, etc, will bomb big style. Also grif your the dude
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 3/20/2009, 7:09 PM
Yeah i guess your right Doritos, i mean look at DBE..that didnt take the fans into consideration at all and was a huge critical and commercial success..

..oh..hang on..
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