Why the hate? Here's the answer.

Why the hate? Here's the answer.

For the newcomers on this site, here's something you can learn about the so called 'hate' on the highly anticipated epic, The Dark Knight Rises. And for the veterans of CBM.com, enjoy.

Editorial Opinion
By sonofsamadams - Feb 12, 2012 12:02 AM EST
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For quite some time now, The Dark Knight Rises has been scratching on everyone's cerebellums. With the financial and pop culture success of The Dark Knight (as well as Batman Begins) Its no wonder why the vast majority of life on this planet wants to see Nolan's final episode.



But now to some of you newbies you're probably asking, 'well...why the hate? The previous two movies were very enjoyable and forever engraved in the CBM hall of fame and the third one is shaping up to follow in their footsteps so why is there hate?'

Well, that can be answered pretty easily. If you think that this movie is getting wailed on negatively, then well...you might just wanna open your eyes passed the user comments on CBM.com. Almost all of the big time websites out there have TDKR listed in their top 3 most anticipated movies of 2012. And for good reason-they know Nolan can deliver. But one thing you'll see near the bottom of their top 10 lists or not on their lists at all (example TIME) is Marvel's highly anticipated epic, the Avengers.

Now, over the passed several months, I've witnessed the evolution of movie buzz between these two movies. Last summer, everyone's top choice for 2012 was none other than the Avengers! Not surprising really, since Captain and Thor dominated last year's CBM's. But then December came around, and the TDKR prologue came out, and The second trailer came out. And Both, stole the Avenger's fire. (and not to mention the Hobbit's trailer stole it too)

The hate on this movie is generated mostly by Marvel fans, who are absolutely hell bent on trying to find reasons to why this movie will fail. But so far all of the arguments I've seen from them (on this site) have been pointless. Many have tried that whole, 'Oh Nolan's batman isn't realistic! Just look at this pointless evidence I've found from TDK that shows minor mistakes that All movies tend to have!' Marvel die hards want something to be wrong with this movie. They want it to slip up so people can start talking about the Avengers once more. But they just can't find a good reason to sway others completely.

The whole thing about Bale's raspy voice really wasn't questioned or hated on during the early released weeks of TDK back in 08. It got all of those parodies weeks, hell, months after the movie came out and since then you have people complain about it. Truth is, Bale's voice is fine, its how a vigilante would want his voice-unrecognizable to the people around him. You can hear him just fine, its just the parodies that have changed some people's minds. And to me, that proves it when I see comments on this site that say, 'Oh well I watched TDK just yesterday and I realize that Bale's voice could've needed a little work.' Sorry bud, but you wouldn't have been sayin' that 2-3 years ago. The TDK parodies themselves have become a big part of pop culture. Even though it is pretty funny to see them make fun of Bale's voice, it can tend to be a bit repetitive (as well as inaccurate, but that's how parodies work).

I guess you could say it started in 08, Iron Man came out, and planted the flag-it was indeed a great and memorable motion picture and countless people were talking about how it'll be hard to beat it. But then, Nolan came out with TDK, and it took that flag that Iron Man planted, broke it in half, burned it, and planted an even bigger one. That summer, TDK stole Iron Man's spotlight as far as money, reviews, and remembrance. Look at it this way, people will remember 2008 (as far as movies go) for TDK, not Iron Man. And I guess...you could make an argument out of 2010. Now, in that summer, Iron Man 2 was released. And through the trailers and TV spots, it looked like this Iron Man sequel was going to upstage the original. Unfortunately it wasn't the case. While it made almost the same amount of cash, it didn't recieve the same kind of praise from audiences and critics. Pundits said that Iron Man 2 was misguided, boring (agreed) and just one big trailer to set you up for another Avengers movie. People were let down from Iron Man 2, but then Nolan came out with the unforgettable Inception. Now I know, Inception is not a CBM, but hear me out. Inception did the same thing what TDK did to Iron Man two years before-toppled a Marvel blockbuster. And that pissed off Marvel fans even more and this site has become a big place to bash Nolan. It just all comes back down to DC vs Marvel, which has been a raging war between comicbook nerds for decades.

While die-hard Marvel fans spring up the hate, there are some DC fans that you'll hear complaining too. And these are the extremely die-hard, narrow minded comic book nerds that want all CBM's to be exactly like the comic. With TDKR, these fanboys argue that Bane does not look like bane. True, I'll give them that. But here is why he doesn't look like bane...

Remember this guy?


Yeah that was pretty close to the comics-the large size, Venom, the macho mask. But that movie was complete shit,and whenever people think of bane, they think of Joel Schumacher's abomination. Nolan is simply reinventing the 'masked man'. He doesnt want the man with the macho mask because itll get people to remember the days where the batsuit had nipples. Hardy's bane is certainly a menacing figure. His presence on the screen is frightening and bone chilling and its looking good for this movie to know that it has a clear sense of a good villain. Something the general audience hasn't seen in the Avengers. And if you see or hear hate about Hardy's Bane, well once again you need to look passed CBM.com. (Big time websites are loving this new design) Not only Marvel fanboys are complaining, but DC fanboys too (even though few DC fanboys). They want that cheesy, bulky, macho man from the comics. Seriously...did you actually think you were going to get that in Nolan's Bat-trilogy? Look passed CBM.com newbies. You'll see A LOT of praise and anticipation on Hardy's Bane. Now, in high octane situations in the prologue, Bane was a little hard to understand. But then again, I've only watched the shitty boot-leg version so I haven't heard the clear crisp audio. And that's where a lot of hate comes from-most people who hate on Bane's voice saw the shitty quality of the prologue and made their arguments from there. Where as those who saw it in IMAX, have had little to no complaints. In the second trailer, Bane's voice is more basy and creepier which means one thing-they've tweaked it a bit, made it more clearer. It sounds better (not to mention more menacing) than the guy who voiced him in the animated series or bigfoot with a mask version in '97



And then we have the people who say, 'well why aren't they showing more Batman in the prologue or more Batman in the trailers?!' Here's why--the General Audience knows who Batman is. They don't really know who Bane is. Nolan is showing more Bane because he wants to get this non-mainstream Batman villain to be more familiar to the general public. And that, is a smart marketing move. And to counteract pundits of TDK-there was a lot of Batman in TDK. More than the Joker, but it was just Heath Ledger's outstanding performance that overshadowed the rest of the movie. And if you newcommers who want a good laugh, find and read comments from some of the users on this site that say, 'Heath Ledger's Joker was far from oscar worthy. Jack Nicholson's joker deserved the gold'. Yeah, I'd like to see you go up there and give the kind of performance Ledger did.

Now, you will see comments from people who say that Nolan's batman is as realistic as it gets. Some will refer to those as NOLANITES (an unoriginal name that's intended to insult them but really doesn't). That is not a true statement. Nolan's Batman is not as realistic as it gets...you kidding me? But they are the MOST REALISTIC AND MOST RELATABLE CBMs around. Batman is the most popular (if not tied with Superman) superhero in the world. Why? because he's very relatable. Its just a guy in a suit beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands.

So in conclusion for the new users on CBM.com, don't listen to the hate because it makes up a very small portion of the buzz from Nolan's batman trilogy. Its not all of the users, Its probably 45% of them though. I can't tell you if some of these people are just trolling or just really trying to prove that the TDKR will fail, but it shows you that Nolan has made his mark in Hollywood. Is he the greatest of all time? No, he's not, but he is the best directer currently shooting movies. He didn't intend on making Batman completely realistic. He wanted to throw in realistic and relateable values that the other Batmans didn't have. He revived and reinvented a superhero...and hate or not, Fans should be pleased.
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overlordfombax
overlordfombax - 2/12/2012, 12:59 AM
... I agree. Right down the line. Kudos. I just wrote a much longer article saying essentially the same thing, but sort of on a larger scale... you might like it, check it out if you want!
batfan175
batfan175 - 2/12/2012, 1:07 AM
a very good article. i would also add that it's pointless to argue about films that haven't even come out yet, as the images we've seen may not even be in the final product thanks to the miracle of editing. I'd just like to say that it's become less of a DC vs marvel fight thana Nolan vs Marvel fight because, as you correctly mentioned, Inception got everyone's attantion in 2010 and Ironman 2 was quickly forgotten over that and while I think there's merit in the marvel projects they are very standard stories, in which the hero confronts the bad guy and it's always the hero triumphant at the end. It takes away a lot of complexities and does not give the villains the importance they deserve, as a hero cannot ALWAYS win. There HAS to be a moment where he loses so that he can overcome his weaknesses and that's why I enjoy The Dark Knight so much. i also fear that Marvel/Disney will try to get another cameo at the end of the avengers just to announce the Spiderman film coming out in July. t's all a big promotion with none of the marvel films being completely about one hero, which is a shame.
er101
er101 - 2/12/2012, 2:57 AM
I'm sorry but when I think of Batman I don't think of him being relatable at all, BTW I think most people get tired of hearing the dark knight being the best cbm because these so called "Nolanites" troll every other article talking about the movie being realistic and accurate.
LMB10
LMB10 - 2/12/2012, 5:13 AM
Most top antipated movie lists I've read have had The Avengers very near the top. And even if you don't intend to be, you sound like somebody bashing The Avengers. But yeah I agree, I don't understand why Marvel fans feel the need to bash Batman. They'll both be good.
Comix
Comix - 2/12/2012, 5:24 AM
I like your article alot, but first off Batman is not relatabale at all man. Supes and Bats are the most popular because they were the FIRST heroes. Spiderman to
me is the most relatable, there is no denying that not unless you have everything spiderassassin said.

Imma admit that im a marvelite, but it's not the movie I hate (i do hate bane's look) its just those dam stuck up nolanites always trolling articles.
MrReese
MrReese - 2/12/2012, 6:18 AM
@sonofsamadams
very well written article.N I completely agree.N on that note u r my new best friend!!! XD
Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 2/12/2012, 7:00 AM
If you wrote this in response to the article that I think you did, I answered your "why the hate" question as clearly as I could in the comments of that article. However, I'll post my answer once again for you to contemplate.

I would venture a guess that most of the "hate" on Nolan's Bat films has nothing to do with the films, Batman or Nolan. Most of it is due to the fanatical, cult following of Nolan's fans, who seem so insistent on convincing everybody else that these films are the best thing since....air. For some reason, it appears that many Nolanites for lack of a better term, have the notion in their head that all other films should cease production because they can never surpass these films.

They are fantastic films without a doubt. They are not the best thing to ever grace the screen. And it's annoying as all Hell to have to listen to TDK this or TDK that in the middle of every single conversation about every other film. Get over it. Move on. Enjoy something else. Or, at the very least, allow everybody else to do so.

Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 2/12/2012, 7:02 AM
Nice article BTW.
CraptainAmerica
CraptainAmerica - 2/12/2012, 7:52 AM
Nice article
Alexandre
Alexandre - 2/12/2012, 8:52 AM
@sonofsamadams i think you make a good point and i agree with you, but i also think there are many other factors that play out to the so called "hate" and one of them is mentioned by hawks.
@Hawks, i totally agree with you, the hate is not much towards the films nor nolan but at the "cult". But when i have asked people like Morty and others if their problem is more towards the film or the "cult", they all respond saying, that "they dont care for people's thoughts because they know better".
so the question shouldnt be why the hate anymore i think it should be who do they hate? the film or the cult.
Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 2/12/2012, 9:07 AM
Alexandre: If they didn't care about the peoples thoughts, why would they feel such a need to counter those thoughts?
Alexandre
Alexandre - 2/12/2012, 9:09 AM
another thing id like to add. as much as we all agree that the hate is on the cult, because the cult likes to push their ignorant opinions on others. Where is the evidence on that? because all ive seen from the so called nolanites here is nothing but admiration for both films. as a matter of fact, i havent seen a person talking bad about the marvel films, we all love the marvel films, its just batman and specifically nolan's batman that gets all the controversy. think about that.
Comix
Comix - 2/12/2012, 9:15 AM
@alexandre, you must be new or something then if you dont ever see nolan trolls
Kaedus
Kaedus - 2/12/2012, 9:15 AM
I enjoy these movies as movies. I think they're well done (apart from the action scenes) and I'm a fan of Nolan, my favourite of his films being The Prestige.

Despite that I'm really not a fan of this trilogy (so far). I personally hate the "realistic" approach and want to see Batman out of the comics. I want Batman to have a grey suit with black cape, I want to see villains like Clayface, Killer Croc, and Bane (done properly).

That's not to say that I want to see it done more like Burton's and Schumacher's movies. Just because the concept is kind of silly, doesn't mean the movie has to be. With the correct director at the helm and production team I reckon Batman could easily be translated to the big screen looking more like the comics and Arkham games version. It just needs to be done right.

So far I'm not liking what I've seen released from TDKR but I reckon it will end up a good movie. It's just not my particular cup of tea.
Alexandre
Alexandre - 2/12/2012, 9:16 AM
@hawks im trying to point that they are contradicting themselves. i dont think they even know why they hate anything associated with it, i think its just the need to hate anything made by dc so the marvel vs dc fight continues.
Alexandre
Alexandre - 2/12/2012, 9:32 AM
@Comix, been here since august of 2011 and since then ive come across two minority groups, one that hates nolan and the other that hates marvel, and ive also seen that the minority group which hate on nolan tend to be much louder, more expressive and larger in population than the other minority group. and i believe that has something to do with a lot of people agreeing that more marvel fans are in this site.
CanadaMan
CanadaMan - 2/12/2012, 9:43 AM
I agree 100% with this article. I've been sitting back and trying to mediate between the two sides in this war between fans, but people on here are way too stubborn and not willing to listen to logic. At the end of the day, people who are bashing Nolan's Batman are feeding the hype simply by mentioning the film. :p
lnTylerWeTrust
lnTylerWeTrust - 2/12/2012, 4:25 PM
I didnt know Bane was Caucasian.......Nolan...You racist dog?
Irons
Irons - 2/12/2012, 7:09 PM
You pretty much nailed it in the seventh section.
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 2/12/2012, 10:26 PM
Like mist argumentents, the TDKR vs AVENGERS war on this site started with a little truthe and a lot of ignorance... it mostly started this past summer. After green lantern failed and thor and cap did moderately well, the marvelites on this site were acting marve had cornered the cbm market. Thor and cap were of higher quality than gl(true) but they were ok at cookie-cutteer at best... so the dc fanboys answered back by saying that the recent marvels couldn't hold a candle to tdk(also true, but the weren't on par with the original iron man either). And that's where you nolanites vs marvelites started. Same old fanboys vying for brand supremacy. One side championed by marvel' mcu and the other by nolan's bat films...
nathan02
nathan02 - 2/12/2012, 10:33 PM
Those marvel fans or the ones who criticize tdkr, plain simple description.. Those are stupid people! They dont know how good move nolan had for his batman trilogy!!
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