One Final Poster For STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI Puts The Spotlight On Kylo Ren And Supreme Leader Snoke

@Scarilian - " What did you feel it did good?"

You heard him...it was a bad film and he enjoyed seeing people get upset because...he's a dick?

Great. Now whenever I watch this scene and it cuts to those guards I'll be thinking

@Doomsday8888 - Well, he certainly is half the man he used to be.

@kylo0607 -

@TheSoulEater -

Please list the times you thought the movie was smart.

@TheSoulEater -

@TheSoulEater -

Appreciate that you have responded with points about the movie - will explain my viewpoints on them.

"How it describes the force as a thing."

I felt most of that explanation was done before, the idea that you could be drawn to the light side or the dark i believe was hinted at in the prior movies via a few of Yoda's speeches and when Luke fought himself in the forest.

I was intrigued by how Luke seemed to imply that something under the island would represent the dark side, perhaps the idea of something buried under the temple... but it ended up just being a mirror that did not really show the dark side as much as allow Rey to see into herself and realize the truth behind her parentage.

I've read into the behind-the-scenes and concepts for the movie and there were originally ideas of her interacting with a Sith force ghost, having to choose between Kylo and Luke while in a 'force dream' representing her inner struggle, battling a sea monster that would've been an amalgamation of her worries/fears, etc... each of these concepts would've been more interesting to see portrayed.

"How it deals with the symmetry and journey of Luke from how he began to how he ends (which I can go into more detail if you want)."

Yeah, would be interested in you going more into detail with this one. To me it felt like it was trying to do the whole 'Master goes into exile' but did not really feel justified;

- Yoda fled to self-exile when he was on the run from the Sith/Empire.
- Luke makes a mistake and then flees rather than try and fix his mistake or help his sister, best friend, etc...

I just think Luke's story would have worked better progressing rather than mirroring what has come beforehand.

"How Luke is able to make the ultimate sacrifice, with a legitimate fake out deception, that had been set up since the beginning of the film."

Not really certain where it was set-up before. There was the idea of Snoke projecting himself in The Force Awakens where he looked somewhat real but that was viewed as a hologram projection - and the time he did so in TLJ he seemed more see-through.

I also felt that Rian Johnson dropped the ball in regards to the Luke reveal and the Snoke death scene by revealing the twist before it happened. We see the light saber turn towards Snoke so we know what will happen. We see Luke not leaving footprints on the planet while Kylo does so we know he's not really there even if we do not fully understand how he's not there.

As for his ultimate sacrifice, given Luke had a bit of a death wish and knew he was going to die regardless I'm unsure why he did not go in person. They set-up the idea of his spaceship in the water, so i thought he would raise it out the water and go to help - fulfilling what was set-up in the original trilogy where he was unable to raise it from the swamp, showing he's grown stronger as a person.

Just seemed the movie set-up the idea that Luke would raise his spaceship out the water, return and then face off against Kylo. I guess he wanted a different send-off for Luke than what happened with Han.

"The movies use of cinematography and scene placement in allot of areas (like the splitting of the lightsaber with the splitting of Snoke's ship)"

Some of the cinematography was amazing - Snoke's chambers & the salt planet (though both rather flat/empty) had a very interesting visual with the reflective floors. Obviously there is also the Hyper Space Suicide bombing scene where the spaceships are split apart.

I wouldn't really want to re watch the movie simply to see those visuals again though - which is where most my confusion lies with those saying they have seen it multiple times.

"It did more of a homage to Return of the Jedi and Empire Strikes back as opposed to an exact repeat of the stories (yes I am pissed about how Snoke went out too)."

There were some scenes that i felt lent too heavily on the original trilogy, it might have helped them more to break away from it. I did not mind the small nods, though scenes like where Kylo is trying to convince Rey that she'll turn evil were too on-the-nose for me which is a shame because it's going to be the plot of episode 9.

"Making a complete inverse of the star wars cantina"

I did not view it this way until now, so kudos for pointing it out - in terms of a concept i could have seen it working in that regard. I think i may be a tiny bit cynical in that aspect though as it felt more like a political statement akin to the comments made on twitter by those involved with the new movies.

I think my only real issue with the Casino planet is that nothing is really learned or gained from it, it's just a lot of padding for no real reason in a setting that did not really feel Star Wars.

Instead it's just Finn and Rose making a lot of silly decisions that waste time - such as basically abandoning the quest they are on in order to free animals (instead of the enslaved children) and then trashing the place with Finn explaining that it was worth it because they trashed a casino.

I think the reveal to Finn that Rose was wrong and that the rich support both sides of the war was an interesting one, but it never really got addressed more than a single line. It would have been interesting to see how Rose would react to realizing that things are not as black and white as she seems to think

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Mostly it's just that i cannot see enough individual aspects that are good/great with the movie to warrant seeing it multiple times (some seeing it seven or eight times). According to google it's 2h 35m in length and most the best moments listed here take up about 10 minutes of screen-time at best and mostly from the final act.

@Scarilian -


"Not really certain where it was set-up before."

What i mean by that is, when Rey and Kylo are first.... "Force-Skyping" i guess you could call it, Kylo says "You aren't doing this, the sheer effort would kill you." So for all the people who say it makes no sense Luke would die from what he did, keep in mind he was projecting himself across literal SOLAR systems, tangibly visible for everyone to see, and not just one person like Rey and Kylo. I am aware of how there were no foot prints and such but allot of people did not, and weren't looking for that. As for the lightsaber, I remember wondering why it wasn't green, and why he had his blue one when that saber was destroyed previous, but it did not click to me nor allot of other people till half way through the fight of what Luke was doing, as the option that he could've simply built another one closer to his father's design was also reasonable after everything got destroyed when Kylo fled the temple.

I could go on about how Snoke's scene was under done, a good idea, but underdone but onto the matter at hand.

I too thought he'd raise the X-Wing out of the water but looking at it again, it's sort of...broken up, so even if he did , there's fixing it and i don't know if he has the tools for it to put parts of it back together and make it work...he DID sort of make it so that his temptations to leave exile were all done away with so it made sense to me, but I wouldn't have been surprised if they went with it anyway.


"I wouldn't really want to re watch the movie simply to see those visuals again though - which is where most my confusion lies with those saying they have seen it multiple times."

That's odd. That's exactly why I saw them again. As well as of course to see if i missed some continuity issues the first time, which i did, and that was rectified for me, so i'm glad I did.


"There were some scenes that i felt lent too heavily on the original trilogy, it might have helped them more to break away from it. I did not mind the small nods, though scenes like where Kylo is trying to convince Rey that she'll turn evil were too on-the-nose for me which is a shame because it's going to be the plot of episode 9."

Won't argue with you there. I liked the nods, I won't deny they could've been done better.

"I think my only real issue with the Casino planet is that nothing is really learned or gained from it, it's just a lot of padding for no real reason in a setting that did not really feel Star Wars."

You are absolutely correct, I have another long 2-cents about that very subject I'll save for later, but you aren't wrong, aside from the prospect of it and meeting DJ, it was wasted potential.


My opinion of the movie is as follows:

Last Jedi's a well done, beautiful looking, in some cases careless, down right stupid movie, that's very very smart. At times.

@Scarilian - Yes, leave it there, unwatched because nobody asked.

@Scarilian - nobody in this comment section asked or said they don’t understand why this movie was disliked, people were commenting on the poster and saying they enjoyed the movie then you come in like boom! here’s a video on why you’re wrong GTFOOH

@Scarilian - It’s YouTube I’m pretty sure you could find a dozen positive analysis vids if you’re that interested