SPIDER-MAN: 8 Mistakes Sony Is Making With Its Marvel Universe (And How To Fix Them)

Sony now has its own Marvel Universe, but the studio has made some major blunders along the way (and it's only really just started). There's time to fix it, though, and that's what we're looking at here...

By JoshWilding - Mar 29, 2022 12:03 PM EST

Filed Under: Spider-Man

Thanks to the Disney/Fox merger, Marvel Studios now holds the rights to the X-Men and Fantastic Four franchises. The only set of characters that eludes them these days are the heroes and villains who are part of Spider-Man's world, though an unprecedented deal with Sony Pictures has brought Peter Parker into the MCU.

Understandably, Sony still wants to make use of the characters it owns, and that's led to the creation of a separate Marvel Universe. 2018's Venom was followed by Venom: Let There Be Carnage, and we're now just a few days away from Morbius' arrival in theaters.

We're not getting into spoilers for that movie here, but the trailers alone and what we've already seen from this "Venomverse" are enough for us to know mistakes are being made. Now, we're delving into the biggest blunders and how Sony can go about fixing them.

To take a look through this feature, all you guys need to do is click on the "Next" button below!

8. Trying To Capitalise On The MCU's Success

The Marvel Cinematic Universe has found unprecedented levels of success since launching in 2008, so in many respects, we completely understand why Sony is looking to capitalise. Honestly, we can't help but wonder if the studio is catfishing actors by letting them believe joining a Marvel movie is the same as joining a Marvel Studios movie (it isn't).

However, the worst example of Sony looking to attract MCU fans is what we saw in Venom: Let There Be Carnage and Spider-Man: No Way Home. Those post-credits scenes were completely meaningless, and while a piece of the Venom Symbiote is now in the MCU, we don't see that leading anywhere.

Venom was shoehorned into all that Multiversal madness, with no benefit to the character whatsoever. With Morbius, it sounds like reshoots have completely reshaped The Vulture's role to tie into what happened in No Way Home, likely devaluing what we saw there and muddying the waters in a way we can't imagine the Marvel Studios team is particularly pleased with.

7. Building A Sinister Six Without Spider-Man

Back when The Amazing Spider-Man franchise was still a thing, Sony had some downright baffling plans for the Sinister Six. Those supposedly involved the Savage Land, a Skyscraper-sized Sandman, and Spidey being a member of the team on a heist to steal Pandora's Box, but it looks like the studio is now returning to that well...in the least satisfying way possible.

With no Spider-Man in this "Venomverse," it appears the plan is to bring all these different villains together as quickly as possible, most likely as a team of anti-heroes. There's a possibility they'll battle Spider-Woman or Madame Web, of course, but given the way Venom and Morbius have become relatively likeable do-gooders, this Sinister Six doesn't sound all that sinister.

Common sense says this team should have been saved for an epic Spider-Man movie (like, uh, No Way Home), but if Sony thinks this team-up will be an Avengers-sized event, they're bound to be sorely mistaken. In fact, we can't help but get "Dark Universe" vibes from this whole thing...

6. Putting Avi Arad In Charge

Avi Arad was ousted from Marvel Studios pretty quickly during its inception, and it's not hard to see why. The prolific producer is the one who shoehorned Venom into Spider-Man 3 and spearheaded the disastrous Amazing Spider-Man franchise (with the sequel such a critical and commercial disappointment, Sony had no other choice than to turn to Marvel Studios for help).

It says a lot that Arad has had zero creative input into the wall-crawler's MCU adventures, and we're betting that drives him mad. In fact, it probably explains the laughable message above that was added to Spider-Man: No Way Home's credits in a transparent effort to placate the producer.

Had the Venom movies not been box office hits, the response to them probably would have been enough for Sony to move on without Arad. As it stands, he's attempting to create a shared universe of his own with these characters, and making a complete hash of it. There needs to be a real creative in charge, but we can expect more disasters to follow with Arad continuing to call the shots.

5. Villain-Led Movies

Assuming the decision has been made to leave Spider-Man in the MCU rather than introducing a different version of the character (like Ben Reilly, Miles Morales, or Spider-Woman, for example), why the f*** is Sony so intent on making movies about the web-spinner's greatest enemies? After all, it's not exactly like there aren't plenty of compelling heroes who are part of Spidey's world.

As well as the many different spider-themed characters, you have the likes of Black Cat, Silver Sable, Silk, and countless others who still haven't been adapted to live-action. Sure, there's been talk of that happening, but as things stand, we have Venom, Morbius, and Kraven the Hunter movies, and not a single hero taking centre stage. Instead, villains are being turned into anti-heroes.

It kind of feels like reading the worst comic books the 1990s had to offer. Ultimately, the biggest shame is that we've now been robbed of the chance to see the likes of Venom and Kraven in the MCU.

4. Meaningless Easter Eggs

We all love a good Easter Egg hunt in comic book movies, but they've quickly lost all meaning in this Marvel Universe. Whether it's the endless shots of The Daily Bugle that are clearly supposed to blow our minds ("Peter Parker works there!") or teases that lead nowhere, this is now starting to wear thin.

Venom: Let There Be Carnage cheekily referenced Ant-Man, and included some nods to Spider-Man that led nowhere, including Cletus Kasady killing a spider and a post-credits scene that teased a clash we now know was never going to happen. The Living Vampire references Venom in the Morbius trailer, but it's a cringe-worthy moment that sees him say the symbiote's catchphrase.

Instead of teasing a wider universe or future plans, these cutesy, pointless Easter Eggs have no real meaning. In fact, they drive home the fact that there's absolutely no real plan in place at Sony.

3. Not Respecting The Comic Books

Remember many of the superhero movies from the mid-2000s that tried really hard to not let people know they were based on the comic books that only nerds read? At times, these Sony movies feel a lot like that, with a surface level take on the mythology and Jared Leto's Morbius, for example, avoiding a costume and trying to stay grounded in some sort of realistic heightened reality.

Venom: Let There Be Carnage deserves props for embracing the wackiness of the source material, though, and that's probably why it's the best of these movies. A bigger issue, however, is really the way this Marvel Universe fails to respect the comic books. Origin stories are rewritten to the point where they're unrecognisable, with Venom being the perfect example. He's not the Eddie Brock from the comics; he's a goofy has-been journalist who found an alien costume.

Without Spider-Man in the periphery, these stories are being changed too much and not in a way that does the comic books justice. It looks like Kraven is being turned into an action hero, for example, and Dakota Johnson's casting suggests Madame Web is also getting an unwanted makeover...

2. There's No Plan

We've made reference to this a few times now, but Sony clearly has no real plan in place for this Marvel Universe. We appreciate that putting a slate of movies together is easier said than done, but it's almost as if Venom sent the studio into panic mode, with the movie's unprecedented success forcing them to greenlight everything in the hope of replicating its box office takings as fast as they could.

Whatever the case may be, you wouldn't think it's that hard to build a world around the thousands of characters who inhabit Spider-Man's corner of the Marvel Universe. All they need to do is establish a big bad, introduce a hero, and find a way to get these heroes and villains crossing paths.

Perhaps the potential Sinister Six project we've been so quick to ridicule will be it, but throwing every character they've introduced into one movie just for the hell of it really doesn't sound that smart. Like the MCU, it needs to be done with a slower, more natural approach, but as with Warner Bros. and Fox before them, Sony is racing to the finish line and making the same old mistakes.

1. Like It Or Not, They Need A Spider-Man (Or Spider-Woman)

Like most of you reading this, we couldn't be any more relieved that Spider-Man is currently tucked away in the MCU. Hopefully, that will remain the case for many years to come as the mind boggles at what an absolute mess the studio would have made of Spider-Man: No Way Home had Tom Holland's Peter Parker been shoehorned into Sony's Marvel Universe.

Despite that, it's quickly becoming clear this world does need a spider-hero of some sort. Whether it be any of the characters mentioned throughout this feature or even a Spider-Man Variant, Morbius clearly isn't a strong enough character to hold his own in a franchise based on those early reactions, while even Venom is struggling. Sadly, we don't see Kraven faring much better.

With Spider-Man in the MCU, maybe throw Spider-Woman or Ben Reilly into the mix to see what happens. We're not saying that will be enough to save or even improve this universe, but it would be a step in the right direction and a move that could make these movies that little bit more compelling.

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Unites - 3/29/2022, 12:16 PM

MCUKnight11 - 3/29/2022, 12:19 PM

Where's Miles, Miguel, Ben, Anya, Kaine, or any of the other spider people?

OmegaDaGrodd - 3/29/2022, 12:21 PM

Sony's issue is that at the end of the day they don't actually want to make these movies, but feel they have to, so nothing they do comes with an ounce of love or energy behind it. The MCU is only the MCU because Marvel has decided they would like to make movies about these characters, for a variety of reasons. Some of the reasons for Marvel's choices are good and some aren't quite as good, but it all comes from an intentional place

Sony is historically bad at this because they do it out of obligation, which is how everything ends up being both transparently half assed and simultaneously unstoppably desperate.

kaijunexus - 3/29/2022, 1:18 PM

@OmegaDaGrodd - It's even worse than that. Yes, they need to produce these films to hold onto the IP, so they're contractually obligated to keep making them...but they also want to emulate Marvel Studios' success.

It would be one thing if they were making single, one-off character-driven movies based on the Spider-Man IP...at least some of those might have interesting creative direction. But instead, they are trying to create an entire interconnected universe with zero direction or creative enthusiasm...just because they saw Marvel do it.

It's just so pathetic and transparent. And the worst part is, it keeps these characters out of the MCU proper and Kevin Feige's capable hands.

Just a tragedy...

SpiderBloke2099 - 3/29/2022, 2:48 PM

@OmegaDaGrodd - I feel like you could switch "Sony" with "Warner" and this would still be accurate...

OmegaDaGrodd - 3/29/2022, 3:11 PM

@SpiderBloke2099 - Main difference with Warner is that they seesaw between half assing and double-wholeassing, so they are almost always either not caring at all or trying entirely too hard, which is why they have such an extreme variety in the quality of their results

johndawg - 3/29/2022, 5:17 PM

@OmegaDaGrodd - I've said this before about some DC projects. There needs to be someone behind the camera as passionate about the characters and their histories as Christopher Nolan is about Batman.

CaptainDC - 3/29/2022, 12:22 PM

Everything Sony has done here is a mistake...

The world is completely uninspired and is a cash grab with no real substance.

Either connect this to Garfield's world or drop it all and continue to build through your partnership with Disney.

Forthas - 3/29/2022, 12:28 PM

I totally agree!!!

ModHaterSLADE - 3/29/2022, 12:30 PM

Just glad they got Into The Spider-Verse right. Too bad the live action Spidey related stuff from Sony just seems so meh in comparison.

HarryBloodscreaming - 3/29/2022, 12:30 PM

There is only one mistake, really: They are doing it themselves. They should outright sell Spider-Man to Marvel. Go make a Horizon: Zero Dawn film or TV franchise. Focus on perfecting game adaptations of the many IPs they own on in that medium, instead of desperately clinging onto things that would fare better in other hands.

SonOfAGif - 3/29/2022, 12:37 PM

The only solution is to sell Spider-Man back to Disney. Clearly Marvel Studios understands what to do with the character. And after watching No Way Home we now know they respect what came before without tarnishing what those movies established.

Forthas - 3/29/2022, 12:45 PM

I have said, and will continue to say, Marvel/Disney needs to find a package of IP's and trade them to Sony for Spiderman. Especially the rated R franchises inherited from Fox like Predator and Aliens that don't fit the Disney brand. If I were Disney I would trade...

28 Days (franchise)
Alien (franchise)
Buffy the Vampire Slayer (franchise)
Die Hard (franchise)
The Exorcist (franchise)
Fight Club
The Fly (franchise)
Hitman (franchise)
Independence Day (franchise)
The Omen (franchise)
Transporter(franchise)
X Files (franchise)

...all for Spiderman. Sony could develop a streaming service (which they do not currently have) and fill it with essentiallly free content AND have IP's with nostalgic value that can be developed into franchises.

da2213viking - 3/29/2022, 12:45 PM

Honestly its obvious sony doesnt know what there doing and is just in it for the sweet loot. As far as fixing there cinematic universe you know what they say

TheHumanSpider2 - 3/29/2022, 12:59 PM

Yeah, well, whatever, I just heard Ezra Miller got arrested on Hawai...what was it this time!?

TheHumanSpider2 - 3/29/2022, 1:19 PM

@Waddles -

MUTO123 - 3/29/2022, 1:28 PM

Something I keep seeing people say about these movies that they praise (for SOME goddamn reason) is that it reminds them of the 90s comic book movies like Spawn and Batman & Robin, and that we should praise these movies for that because comic book movies have gotten too serious or too dependent on continuity and crossovers.

KISS. MY. ASS!

Seriously, who is the sideways asshole that says “We need to go back to the days of Batman & Robin”?

PC04 - 3/29/2022, 1:31 PM

You need SPIDERMAN. He is the keystone to many of the baddies and anti-villains of his world. Why the hell can SONY not understand this?

TheHumanSpider2 - 3/29/2022, 1:36 PM

@PC04 - Because they lost a shit-ton of money with the Amazing films, and dont think Spiderman can hold on his own without the MCU, and the only way he remains in the MCU, is if they keep the other characters outside of it.
We saw it with Venom, he was literally kicked out of the MCU the second he set foot there.

Typhoon20 - 3/29/2022, 1:33 PM

How to fix them ? Easy.
Give the rights back to Marvel.

Feralwookiee - 3/29/2022, 1:47 PM

Sony sucks.

Off topic: I haven't seen this posted, but just in case you guys missed it, here's some Nova news!
https://bgr.com/entertainment/marvel-is-making-a-nova-movie-and-the-first-details-have-leaked/

Fogs - 3/29/2022, 2:02 PM

"Trying To Capitalise On The MCU's Success"

All the others are just the consequence.

Ha1frican - 3/29/2022, 2:17 PM

The list goes like this.

1: Not giving Kevin Fiege full creative control of all their characters and sitting back and taking in money.

This concludes the list.

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