Do we really need Spider-Man and the X-Men in the MCU?

Do we really need Spider-Man and the X-Men in the MCU?

I think it's time that we come face-to-face with the reality that we may never see Marvel get those rights back.

Editorial Opinion
By SmokinIndo - Jan 18, 2011 04:01 AM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man

As a respectable Marvel fan, I know I speak for a lot of people when I say that I want to see ALL of Marvel's properties sitting under one roof and coexisting in the same universe. The idea of all these heroes (and villains) that have been spit on by outside studios finally getting the justice they deserve makes me smile like nothing else could. Spider-Man and the X-Men are chief among the characters that fans want to be seen back at the house. But putting all wishful thinking aside, exactly what are the odds of that ever happening?

Let's face it. It's time to look reality directly in the eye and face the fact that we may never see Spidey or the X-Men team up with Iron Man or Captain America. Maybe in the next 20-30 years it's a slight possibility. (but considering the fact that by then I'll probably be married, with a family, a career, and sending a few kids to college.... it might as well be forever.) The truth is that what it would entail to get those rights back would have to be something extraordinary. For Spider-Man alone would take an amount of money even greater than what all of Disney paid to acquire Marvel. And even then, that's a little cheap considering that Sony has proven that one Spider-Man film can gross almost a billion dollars. Not only that, but consider the fact that Sony is just now rebooting the series. Imagine having a reboot immediately after a reboot of a series that's only 5 years old... That's ridiculous. The same thing goes for the X-Men. The only difference is that that Fox has yet to reboot, and probably won't reboot until we have The Wolverine, The Wolverine 2, X-Men Origins: Magneto, X-Men: First Class 2, X-Men 4, X-Men Origins: The Blob, ect... We can probably expect 10 years of X-Men films before we finally get a reboot starting the cycle all over again. It's not worth waiting on bended knee for Marvel to get those rights back.

But then I ask, do we really need them in the MCU? Okay now... don't get all upset at me. Of course we want them back for the sheer fact that only Marvel can bring these characters justice. But do we NEED them back?

Consider the fact that Spider-Man, for 40 years, has had little to no impact on the Marvel Universe. Of course Spider-Man is THE most popular character in all the Marvel Universe. But the difference between Superman and Spider-Man is that the DC Universe practically revolves around Superman, while the Marvel Universe doesn't revolve around Spider-Man. Even Marvel recognizes this. For 40 years Marvel has had Spider-Man essentially act as a loner. He's had no team affiliations and no important friends outside his own comics. He would probably fit better inside Nolan's universe than Batman, for the sheer fact that the DC shared universe needs Batman. If you don't believe me when I say that Spider-Man isn't that important, then ask yourself this. What if the MCU got rid of Captain America? That would really put a hamper on things wouldn't it? I think the MCU needs Captain America more than it needs Spider-Man.

The X-Men are in the same boat as Spider-Man. The villains they face are directly tied with the X-Men and nobody else. The stories that the X-Men encounter are all about the X-Men and nobody else. Mutantkind has little impact on Iron Man, Captain America, or Thor and the presence of mutants is not felt in any other comic series except for the X-Men. There's very little crossover between the X-Men and the rest of the Marvel universe outside of maybe Wolverine. The only real exploit I can see the MCU getting out of this acquisition would be a Wolverine/Captain America WWII movie or Wolverine vs. Hulk.

In short, both Marvel comics characters exist in their own separate spheres of influence within the Marvel Universe. Captain America, Iron Man, Hulk, and Thor all exist in the same sphere of influence. And if you don't believe me, just look at the Marvel Expanding Universe Wall-chart. They're all in the same sphere, and this sphere is the largest and most central part of the Marvel Universe. At the center of this sphere lies the Fantastic Four, because they are perhaps Marvel's most important characters. They are what opens up and explains the Marvel Universe. They create a web of affiliations and influence stronger than any other Marvel character. Simply put, the Marvel Universe wouldn't be what it is today without the Fantastic Four. And they're not in the hands of Marvel Studios...

But it doesn't have to be that way. The Fantastic Four are currently under the wing of Fox and scheduled for the reboot treatment. But we haven't heard anything about that reboot for awhile now, which leads me to believe that Fox may not be sticking to their guns. Consider the fact that Fox's FF franchise weren't box office smashes like the X-Men or Spider-Man and the fact that they were also critically panned. Also consider that the FF are the most family friendly superheroes, mixed in with them also being the most important Marvel superheroes, and you've got yourself an acquisition that's ready to be made. If there's one acquisition that I know Marvel will make, it's the Fantastic Four. I think the opportunity is ripe for the picking and Marvel's ready to jump on it. Just imagine the possibilities.

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bgharcourt
bgharcourt - 1/18/2011, 4:47 AM
I totally agree with you on the FF. They really need to be under the Marvel Studio umbrella. Done right, it would make a killing in the box office.
marvel72
marvel72 - 1/18/2011, 5:04 AM
every character needs to be back at marvel studio's/disney aka "house of M M".

you got to think its not just "x-men" you'd be getting back its the "x-universe" so characters like "scarlett witch" & "quicksilver" that have also graced the pages of the avengers as well can now set up sequels i.e avengers 2 (ultron,vision,wonder man & scarlett witch)

just imagine the crossovers movies secret wars,civil war,secret invasion & so on.

to get the movies that we all want to see actually done properly,they've got to be back at marvel.
ThaMessenger07
ThaMessenger07 - 1/18/2011, 6:13 AM
I Disagree with your statement of mutants having little to do with the MCU they are a Key part to the history of Marvel Earth.

Now I agree that in film the X-Men and Spider-Man can thrive on there own but I feel it is essential to have both of them including FF4 to be in the Shared Universe. The reason for them is to expand and continue making trilogies. Honestly the Avengers franchise will only last so long. Yet an Avengers film that is based on "Ultimate 6" could be a very good 4th film. If they decided to do a 3 part "Infinity Gauntlet" Series. They could make 3 films based on the "civil war" and to accomplish these with efficiency we need these specific characters.

It's hard but there are possibilities as to how they could implement the characters in there universe with the films already established.
Paulley
Paulley - 1/18/2011, 6:58 AM
Fantastic Four is the only one i desperately want in the MCU just cus the fit well and have great enemies to include.

Spider-Man and Daredevil would be nice fit aswell

However, i dont want the X-Men anywhere near the MCU
Orphix
Orphix - 1/18/2011, 9:37 AM
It's an interesting debate.

I like the fact that daredevil, the punisher and Spiderman should all be in a shared universe simply because they are so New York centric they could really bring that place alive.

Would be nice to get a real underworld vibe going on. Btu I guess batman has already been there.
Optimus83
Optimus83 - 1/18/2011, 11:20 AM
I think that is necesary, and for possible adaptations for Civil War or maybe Planet Hulk. ...

Bye
spiderman620
spiderman620 - 1/18/2011, 11:55 AM
i agree with most of what you say in your editorial, but you forget that Spider-Man as been afiliated(in the comics) with groups such as The Avengers, New Avengers, Secret Avengers, and New Fantastic Four. Not to mention that Spidey and Johnny Storm are really good friends. now i really wanna see Spidey and FF back under the Marvel house. and like you said i want all properties back at Marvel, but its gonna take time like you said. good editorial man really enjoyed the read
spiderman620
spiderman620 - 1/18/2011, 12:04 PM
also i think x-men at fox is hanging by a thread, if first class fails at the box office Marvel could regain the rights
Armageddon26
Armageddon26 - 1/18/2011, 12:09 PM
I disagree,sorry but the x-universe and all their related mutants have a bigger impact than you say,especially in the BIG crossovers,and the last 5 years Spider-Man has had a relatively big role in the Marvel Universe as well,esprcially with Stark and Cap....
golden123
golden123 - 1/18/2011, 12:59 PM
I was thinking the same thing.
Exiles
Exiles - 1/18/2011, 1:23 PM
it would make no sense that the x-men were hated? what he [frick] are you talking about have you read the comics, its called racism hence the reason why there so hated, I would agree with you that spidey hasn't been that important before but now he is, a lots changed since he's joined the new avengers, and I want to see a new avengers movie one day so yeah I want them back in the same universe, Plus spidey friendship with wolverine, FF and Iron Man, I want to see those on screen. But I get your point spidey WAS the ultimate loner, not anymore though.
Exiles
Exiles - 1/18/2011, 1:27 PM
the bigger problem is how do you explain where they've been all this time, how do you integrate them back in to the MCU
XxSnakeProxX
XxSnakeProxX - 1/18/2011, 1:39 PM
not needed,but i really wanted to see Andrew as Spidey fighting alongside the Avengers in the future :)
commanderhulk
commanderhulk - 1/18/2011, 3:34 PM
very well written and I agree. Spider-Man works better on his own and in his own universe. Same with the X-Men because the mutant thing is a bigger issue of their are no other superpowered people. It also works for Daredevil and Punisher.

Fantastic 4 I am neither here or there on. They would be great in the Marvel Cinematic Universe since the Skrulls, Galactus, Namor, the Silver Surfer, and Kang are so closely tied to them. But they are also heroes that work on their own.

Very well written article and I agree with you.
DC1MARVEL
DC1MARVEL - 1/18/2011, 5:32 PM
If they ever plan on making movies based off of major crossover events, then yes they are needed.
coopshep39
coopshep39 - 1/18/2011, 8:06 PM
i think that first class will fail and the marvel will buy the rights and redo the whole thing. like make it so mutants are now comming out and the goverment has been covering them up for years.and then they have x men and they'll stay seperate from avengers but like u might see a news reel in the back or something.also marvel said thier open to r rated movies so then we get bad ass wolverine sequal.

as for spdy i think thy let this first movie go and the hope fully it will be really good but tank at boxoffice so marvel will by that and contine off the first movie and like orphix said they can add like daredevil and punisher and then they might get ghost rider and redo him and through him in there, but they will still be in same universe and once again just see news reals of the avengers or xmen

and then fantastic four will be the glue, not so much glue as as a plug because they will have just a little more interactions with both xmen and avengers but not much with new york stuff.
Viltrumite
Viltrumite - 1/9/2012, 1:43 PM
Just read this, great article, and I agree. While I'm still clinging onto the faint hope that The Amazing Spider-Man will have some surprise end-credits scene that reveals it to be connected, it's not necessary. The X-Men definitely work better as a film franchise on their own, the same for Daredevil. But the Fantastic Four NEEDS to go back to Marvel Studios ASAP.
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