EDITORIAL: Death of a Legend.

EDITORIAL: Death of a Legend.

WARNING: If you are in favor of the Spider-Man reboot then do NOT read this article. This is for those who are not happy. It is for those who want more of Spider-Man kicking butt as opposed to crying in his cornflakes.

Editorial Opinion
By TheDarqueOne - Sep 11, 2010 10:09 PM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man


Here is my understanding of the current situation.

Despite a world-wide take of $2.7 Billion the Spider-Man franchise has been downgraded by Sony to B-movie status. The next film will not only throw away the first three with a reboot it will have a pathetic budget of $80 million.

A Director with 1 indie comedy and a bunch of music videos to his credit. No money for stars or big effects.

Bendis has been to Sony and the word comes down like this...

"And the story will be pared down to center on a high school kid who is dealing with the knowledge that his uncle died even though the teen had the power to stop it."

"The touchstone for the new movie will not be the 1960s comics, which were the inspiration behind the movies by Raimi, who grew on up on them, but rather this past decade's "Ultimate Spider-Man" ... where the villain-fighting took a back seat to the high school angst."

So 3 blockbusters and now this? Spidey's origin spread over multiple movies? Sort of like a TV show about a certain man of steel's boyhood that has now lasted 9 years. This is really what they are going to do?

Funny thing is that I made some predictions about this little project before I read any of what I quoted above. I thought they would rush through the High School days and just try to do a more conventional CBM. Guess not. So based on what I now know I feel quite confident my intuition was wicked accurate.

I have written a moderately long rant of an article that I decided not to publish. It is what I feel but I just do not want to show that much hostility to anything in such a public way. I do blame the Fan community a bit for their reactions to Spider-Man III. If we had been properly behind it the low Critics score would not have mattered so much.

But this is a place where people can actually suggest that someone could do better than Alfred Molina as Doctor Octopus. I mean sure anything is possible but the man was bloody brilliant and to me it is a bit insulting to want more. Gold just ain't good enough I guess. But what I refuse to do is become a Troll about this movie. I will not appear in every Spidey reboot thread to bemoan every little bit of news. I find that rude and childish to be honest.

The one thing that really puzzles me is why?

Ok the deal with Rami did not work out. Frankly I think Sam wanted out anyway but they offered so much he considered it. I get that the whole project was going to shift gears. What I do not understand is the budget and the B-movie approach to everything. They made plenty especially off of III despite the grumbles. They could have gotten absolutely anybody to do Spider-Man IV. I have no idea how talented Webb is I admit. But I do know he is inexperienced and untested. This is opposed to any number of talented, experienced Directors out there.

If anybody has a theory as to what happened here I would love to hear it.

Hollywood cares about $$$. They got them big time from all three. All three exceeded expectations which is the highest mark you can get. They know they cannot get Oscars for popcorn fare like a SuperHero so they are not going for that. The first two movies got very high marks from the Critics and so-so ones for the last. That is similar to a lot of trilogies. People love or hate the end it is just that freaking simple. So Sony is looked at the situation and decides $80 million?

I actually heard more than a couple people say something to the effect that Sony was trying to 'get closer to the comics'. I am sorry but not a chance. They have no more respect for the comics than they do any other source. They take what they wish and ignore the rest. They love it when the Fans of anything are with them and they will court us a little. Consideration is given because Fans can affect the box office. There is however a limit as they usually think of Fans as a mere 10% of the audience at best.

Real Fans of anything are impossible to please because each person has their own unique view of the Characters and events involved. Each person likes different things and each Fan wants to see those on screen. Tyler posted a list of the things he wished to see improved upon in the reboot. It was well thought out and he did give people like Molina and Dafoe their due. I even agree that the wonderful Kirsten Dunst was mis-cast as MJ.

Tyler I am sorry I was a bit of a jackass with you about that. My rage at this idea got in the way of expressing myself clearly. You are a reasonable guy and usually I get along with people like you very well.

The problem was that list. About a third of it I agreed with but the rest I did not. For some of it the 'not' was pretty strong. No film is perfect and no Fan is every really 100% satisfied. That is just how it is really. To me it is unthinkable to even suggest that we could have had a better Doc Ock. Sure 10+ years down the road maybe it might have been time to think about starting over. James Bond managed a few decades I think Spider-Man deserved at least a couple.

This is not about the Director or the Stars. It is about the fact that in the existing movies we have a great Spider-Man. Over the course of three wonderful fun movies he became the Spider-Man that has existed since 1962. He has lost his best friend but saved the woman who will be his wife. His further adventures should have elevated him to his rightful place as one of our greatest fictional Heroes.



I don't think that was too much to ask for. Go back to the beginning with angst replacing action. Sorry I guess I am just too shallow for that. I want to see a Spider-Man movie not Peter Parker goes to Smallville. Sorry.
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BrotherQStark
BrotherQStark - 9/11/2010, 10:31 PM
You made all good points I wanted to see more Spidey from Raimi, who the hell are Marc Webb and Andrew Garfield and how do we know they will do better than Raimi and Tobey Maguire
TheLonelyComicBookNerd
TheLonelyComicBookNerd - 9/12/2010, 5:34 AM
Dude, where the hell is everyone getting Ultimate Based from its supposed to Spectacular Spider-Man based in a 21 century,
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 9/12/2010, 5:37 AM
Scottryan15 @ LMAO ... IT WONT BE!

Its gonna be so Ultimate, don't cry when that happens dude!

DARQUE @ Excellent article dude, most spot on!
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 9/12/2010, 5:38 AM
I respect your opinion Cyke but I disagree. Comics go on and on. What has been told on the screen is just the beginning of the Story. I do both respect and love Sam Rami but he no longer is in control of the webhead by his own choice.

Probably should clarify part of my Article. Here are my predictions for this film. Made before I knew most of what I discussed above.

1. It will be LESS faithful to the source material.
2. It will not be as good as SMI as a movie and far worse as a CBM.
3. It will make a profit but it will not be a blockbuster.

At this point in time what I see is that this movie is based on the Ultimate Spider-Man not the original one. So I am doing pretty good on #1. Ultimates is fine alternative universe but it is a copy of the original. The movie is therefore a copy of a copy. Chance of accuracy is low. For #2 we have an untried director and not much star power so the first part is very up in the air. Could be a great movie. But since it is angst over action it will be a lousy CBM in my opinion.
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 9/12/2010, 5:41 AM
@Scotty

Take a look. There are more but this was the first one I found.

http://screencrave.com/2010-01-20/spider-man-reboot-to-focus-on-ultimate-comics/
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 9/12/2010, 6:42 AM
Hey in this case Lee is in the right place.

For the record I did not do this Editorial to start a fight. I did it because I am depressed about this turn of events. I wish I was a Fan of Ultimate Spider-Man but I am not. I hope those people who are get a good movie based on their comics.
claybo4131
claybo4131 - 9/12/2010, 7:08 AM
When I tell people be careful what you wish for, I dont want them to come back to me and tell me I was right.

Dont forget the release date is up against the Star Trek sequel, a reboot that ACTUALLY did work, and I am not a trekkie, but the critics loved that, Id rather see that movie than a sappy Spider Man
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 9/12/2010, 7:56 AM
Well I admit the Star Trek reboot made a lot of money and got very good critical responses. But since I am a Fan of the original series it did not please me all that much.

Shifting from intelligent Science Fiction to silly Space Fantasy just did not work for me. But I will give Abrams credit. He said that people like me should not go to see his movie and damn if he was not right about that. He admitted he never like Star Trek but loved Star Wars. He remade Star Wars with Star Trek names basically.





claybo4131
claybo4131 - 9/12/2010, 8:04 AM
@thedarqueone My point is Spidey never has had competition at the box office. Usually movies avoided it. Star Trek 2 claimed the 4th of July 2012 weekend first, then after Sony announced they were rebooting it, they said it would come out that same weekend. Why they are doing that I dont know, but if the sequel is as good, Spidey get squashed. I dont think an 80 million dollar focusing on his feelings movie in 3D will wow audiences over.
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 9/12/2010, 8:26 AM
I think by cutting the budget by 2/3rds they have made sure they will make a profit. I see your point but I know that the Spider-Man name and image will get plenty of people into the theater.

It is going to be about Peter Parker but it will be advertised as Spider-Man of course.
claybo4131
claybo4131 - 9/12/2010, 8:36 AM
But People will be like why did they get rid of Tobey and Sam, why are they doing it like this and all, and if it gets bad word of mouth, it wont get 300 million + like the other 3 in the US.

And Andrew Garfield will be 29 when the movie comes out, man if hes still in HS at that age, gee wiz
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 9/12/2010, 8:49 AM
Actually you have sparked a thought here. Perhaps Sony simply feels unsure about the market right now. With Sam and Toby gone they have to consider what that will do to the audience.

So rather than risking $200 million on a proper sequel they go 1/3rd of that. Spider-Man III is close to $900 world-wide. All they need to do with this movie is make 1/3 of that because of the budget. Pretty safe bet I suppose.
joekerr93
joekerr93 - 9/12/2010, 8:57 AM
nice article TheDarqueOne, i agree with you on most of this, Spiderman Reboot is gonna be shit.

I would not have been bothered about them replacing the director and actors if they just kept going with the series.

Even if they switched to Ultimate in the middle of the series, i would not be that bothered.

What bothers me about this is starting over for no damn reason. Why do we need to see the origin again? Or the Goblin story? Or his crappy love life again?

If Sony was unhappy, they could have fired everyone, found a decent director and actors, and said make Spiderman 4. They could have done what The Incredible Hulk did, they basically ignored the predecessor and kept going in the series.

All this because Sam wanted Vulture, and Sony wanted Carnage. Why didnt they just do both?

Cyke89 - Raimi and Tobey were signed on to do Spiderman 4, 5, and 6
flames809
flames809 - 9/12/2010, 9:54 AM
i actually think the film will be good the actor is a fan of spiderman, the movie will be based on peter already being spiderman and him in college not in high school. and it will be like spectacular spiderman with peter having drama and feelings while having to be the hero and it will be mixed with the the old comics and the new but it will use the new comic problems and issue so some of the audience can relate to it and know was peter going to and the audience will still like it cause they get to see spiderman , know what hes going threw, see him fight bad guys and a villain. so was not to like about that

joekerr93- there not doing the same thing again since Gwen is peter love interest in this movie and mj is just the friend like spectacular spiderman. and Sony just didn't like how the story was and so were so many fans.

darque- how do you know it will be less faith? were does it says that

clayboy- same goes for the hulk being replace for the third time the audience will be like why didn't they have the second actor they choose to play hulk cause the audience is not stupid when it comes to movies. and dude i think this reboot will out do star trek in the box office. and is not going to get bad word. and dude did you forget raimi spiderman was just about peter feeling 1 movie was him being spiderman and trying to get the girl and the audience liked it 2nd movie was him still trying to get the girl and his feelings about her and him being da hero audience liked it 3rd movie same shit audience liked it fans didn't and you complaining about this movie being about peter feelings.
TayDee
TayDee - 9/12/2010, 9:54 AM
Well im looking forward to the reboot, the trilogy was crap. Most people complain about the source material, but neither movie stuck to it except the brief part about his origins. I dont remember seeing anything from SM1,SM2, or SM3 in a comic book but yet most people bash the reboot because you already looked into the future and decided its not gonna be close to the source material. I really dont care if you don't like the idea of the reboot or not because truthfully 98% of everyone on this site is gonna see it anyways, I just dont understand why people want to see SM4 when we read how that was gonna turn out.
joekerr93
joekerr93 - 9/12/2010, 10:02 AM
flames809 - does it really matter if its gwen stacy instead, the love story wont be much different.

TayDee and others who think they know what Spiderman 4 was going to be about
- dont be gullible, you think that was the real story for Spiderman 4. I could post a script for Spiderman 4 and say it was from Raimi
flames809
flames809 - 9/12/2010, 10:27 AM
joker- yes it does cause thats his first love interest so they doing it good and better than the other movies.
joekerr93
joekerr93 - 9/12/2010, 10:37 AM
its still gonna be the same story as far as the love interest is concerned. he always blows her off for spiderman, then he loses her/wins her back, tells her he's spiderman....
flames809
flames809 - 9/12/2010, 10:44 AM
joker- you never how they going to do it cause they can do it like that or if they do kill Gwen in part 2 or da end of 1 and if mj and peter start a relation they can have problems in there relationship raimi movie never showed and that can be the cause of them probably braking up and then later they probably hook up in a way raimi never showed.
joekerr93
joekerr93 - 9/12/2010, 10:59 AM
raimi spent a lot of time on the relation between him and mj, one of the problems i had with the series was that he spent too much time dragging out all their problems. just my opinion though.

i hope they do something different, like you said killing gwen would be an interesting way to go, but i doubt marc webb will go that dark in his story.

basically, no matter what the details are of the relationship, it will most likely have the basic elements i mentioned all through it, no matter who his love interest is. this happens in just about every superhero story, regardless of whether it is spiderman or someone else
TayDee
TayDee - 9/12/2010, 11:43 AM
Joekerr93, even if that wasn't the script, did you seriously think that SM4 was gonna be better after that crapfest of SM3 came out
SkylerMystwood
SkylerMystwood - 9/12/2010, 1:13 PM
Sony is trying to appeal to the "Twilight" / "Harry Potter" crowd, just like Fox is doing with X-Men First Class. Personally, I actually hope the film loses money. Spider-Man is my all time favorite hero, but the property belongs back at Marvel Studios where they'll do him justice, and that will never happen as long as Sony keeps making a profit off him.
Deadshot
Deadshot - 9/12/2010, 1:19 PM
Good article, I also want to add the release date for this makes absolutely no sense, they have massive competition in 2012, Men in Black 3, Star Trek 2, The Avengers, oh and a little fim I don't know if anyone has heard about, Batman 3.
ComradeGrey
ComradeGrey - 9/12/2010, 1:22 PM
This is why fanboys suck. They don't want good things for the characters, they want adaptations of their shitty, selfish, close-minded interpretation of their "beloved" characters.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 9/12/2010, 1:22 PM
SkylerMystwood @ That is very true about putting money in their pockets, we'll never get 'em back at MARVEL where they belong!

I think First Class is a total lost cause but the SPIDEY reboot is coming so I suppose we gotta hope its good....at least they have Spider-man in it lol! : P

Cyke @ Give it a rest already, I don't see you attacking the Anti-Smallville lot lol.
megabatfan
megabatfan - 9/12/2010, 1:28 PM
Screw this Spidey reboot! Screw it to high heaven! They should have continued wit Spidey 4. Even without Raimi. Now i gotta watch his origins all over again!
So they wanna go back to his teenage years in high school & they choose a 27/ 28 yr old actor. So time for the sequel he'll be 30/ 31. Will Peter still be in high school for that. I THINK NOT! He'll be in college. SO guess what? IT'S A REHASH OF THE OLD TRILOGY JUST WITH NEW VILLAINS.
Excuse me guys but i just H8 this reboot idea
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 9/12/2010, 1:35 PM
@TayDee

Sam Rami grew up reading comics just as I did. He drew from the original sources to make a fine set of movies. Changes have to be made and he made very good choices. Not only that but he did it while putting Spidey in a costume almost exactly like that in the comics.

You are entitled to your opinion but I wrote this Editorial for people who do not appreciate hearing Spider-Man III called nasty names. I think it is the best CBM of all time. Just because it was too much of an actual comic book for the Critics and some of the general audience really matters little to me. It was a blast.


@Flames809

I believe it will be less faithful for a number of reasons. The easiest answer is that Ultimate Spider-Man is an alternative universe not the original one. So to base the movie on those comics means ignoring almost all of Spider-Man's original story in favor of a modern one.

Ultimate Spider-Man is an adaption of the original Spider-Man. The movie will be an adaption of Ultimate Spider-Man. That is quite different from what Rami did.

joekerr93
joekerr93 - 9/12/2010, 1:39 PM
TayDee - actually yeah i do. the relationship crap is pretty much run dry, they would have to just get the marriage over with, and we could focus on some villains. It probably would have ended up involving any or all of these three: Vulture, Carnage, Lizard

Even if they did all three, it would be a crammed, jumbled mess like 3 was, because Lizard has already been introduced over the last three movies. all they have to do is one transform scene with him, Carnage origin, and Vulture is the most intelligent of the three so he would probably dominate the movie as the lead villain.

also i imagine that at some point in the new trilogy, we would have seen Sandman return as an ally, which would be cool since he was perfect in SM3 and would be awesome to see him working with Spiderman
marvel72
marvel72 - 9/12/2010, 1:40 PM
@ leee777

i'd cry if ends up in the ultimate universe,also say what you like mate.

i do.

f*ck smallville,f*ck x-men fist ass & f*ck this reboot if its in the ultimate universe.

i don't mind that it is a reboot,but i'd would of preferred spider-man 4.
Anthrax
Anthrax - 9/12/2010, 1:59 PM
mk mk mkmkmkmkmkmmkmkmkmkmkmkmkmkmkkmk......Good Point @ im with deadpool72 on this one as in ,f*ck smallville,f*ck x-men fist ass & f*ck this reboot if its in the ultimate universe.
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 9/12/2010, 2:19 PM
@MovieTheaterLad

I agree on the budget. If you like the Ultimate Spidey then I am happy for you. I prefer the original I hope you can understand that.

You got lucky, I got screwed.
Tobuttica
Tobuttica - 9/12/2010, 2:47 PM
You'd think this Spider-man movie would appeal to all of the haters. According to you Spidey is going to be a whiney bitch, and all of the naysayers are being whiney. You'd think you were emo suckas, but we're talking about Spider-man and not the adults who are ruining your lives. Although I've lost faith in Sony, like I did with Fox, I hope it does well because that would mean more Spider-man goodness instead of another 40 year wait to get this guy onto the screen where he belongs. You'd think UWE BOLL were directing this movie the way you peeps are acting. For craps sake, get over it and yourselves.
Crazyhorrormovienerd
Crazyhorrormovienerd - 9/12/2010, 3:04 PM
I honestly don't know what to think...on the one hand I think SONY kinda killed the franchise with the last one and a new start would be good, but on the other hand I can see some redemption if they let Raimi direct more sequels.

However, you know what movie I want to see from Raimi now that he's not tied down with Spiderman? EVIL DEAD IV!!!
MisterJay
MisterJay - 9/12/2010, 3:08 PM
100 percent agree.... even if im the greatest fan...this is just ridic..... great article men..
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