Spider-Man II Train Fight Defies Newton's Laws

ok......Louise Smith is just a LITTLE bit obsessive.

...Tobey. Run.

But... who's she obsessing about... Topher Grace???

I have more of a problem with the beginning of the clip. If Spiderman is super strong and Doc Ock, besides the extra arms, is a regular man. Why didn't he get knocked out when Spiderman punched him. What Spidey wanted to have some fun. And second why didn't Doc Ock die when he fell like 20 stories? Seems like Newton laws should have applied here. I don't care if he landed on Spidey he wouldn't be getting up. So the rest of the scene wouldn't have happened anyway.

okay i think this is a lil too much but i understand these spidey fights against his enemies are meant to be fantasies but Spiderman is superstrong how does he keep getting knockd around like a ragdoll throughout this whole fight Marvel correct your mistake on these Spidey movies your making them to sappy more action and suspense quit using the should i still be spiderman storyline and keep the villians throughout the whole movie not jus make them show up at the last five minutes you guys know what im talkn about

that louise chick needs a life.
anyways....

but its spidey he can deify gravity if he wants. haha
i still loved Spiderman 2 though

DUDE, ITS A MOVIE, ITS ENTERTAINMENT...A MOVIE.YOUR BRINGING SIENCE TO A SUPERHERO MOVIE WHERE THERES A GUY WITH SPIDER POWERS AND A GUY WITH ROBOTIC TENTECLES..CMON MAN...CMON....I MEAN CMON.

YEAH C'MON! (said in a "Brick from Anchorman" way).

It's just a comic movie!!! everything can happen

Ooooh, i really like the way you're going with this ION! In fact, that could be a whole movie to itself!!! Superman 3 was the "dark side" of Superman but to show a "Superman" that lost everything like his child and love interest would be very "avant garde" and not to mention KICKASS!!! Superman: nothing to lose!!! Oh and of course, we need a bad guy that can take sups's panzy powers, pack a nasty punch, whip sups into shape and make sups realise that the only way out of this is to drop the "douche/cyclops boy scout" image and to seriously kick ass! NO MORE MISTER NICE ...RED PANTIES!!!! Of course i would've hoped that Doomsday could've filled that position but apparently his "TV" carreer is too important! SELL OUT!!!

Yeah.. i like that! IT'S A WRAP PEOPLE!!! Yeah, let's go with that! I'm psyched!

Well i guess...other than the fact that most superheroes die (including wonder woman) i don't think that they'd hate it. It certainly is bolder than anything ever done with Superman on the big screen to this date. I think people need a kick in the balls in regards to Superman. We're ready for it!!! Now if only the head honchos of DC and WB can get their heads outa their asses, it could actually happen. Makes me wonder "how dark" DC/WB are "welling" to go with Superman and even more so what has Mark Millar in mind...i'm intrigued!

Seriously, give to Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar or whatever the saying is...

Sorry Beta Ray, I think you may be the one in need of the science lesson. Let's take a crack at it.
The first thing to remember is that "speed" is always relative. If the train is traveling at 50 mph realtive to a fixed position, let's call it pt. A, and Doc Ock is fixed to the train then he's also traveling at a realtive 50 mph. Now let's say Doc throws Spidey at 80 mph (10 mph seems too wimpy for a super villain)relative to himself and in the same direction that he and the train are traveling. Spidey's speed relative to the fixed pt. A becomes 50+80 (not 50x80) mph. If the formula were 50x80, as you said, all Roger Clemens would need to break the sound barrier would be a baseball and a pair of roller skates.
"How fast", it seems, is not as important here as "how." "How" as in how could Spidey be traveling faster than Doc Ock, in the same direction as Doc Ock and yet end up landing in the same position as Doc Ock. If believability, like speed, is relative, then given everything else going on in this clip, I certainly think this is believable. First, there is the possibilty in this clip that Doc moves forward on the train while Spidey is in the air. Combine this possibility with the considerable resistance the air is creating against Spidey's forward motion. Then combine all that with the possibility that the train is accelerated under Doc's feet during Spidey's time in the air.
That only question remaining is how Spidey's momentum allows him to knock Doc off of his feet in the same direction they are both traveling with such considerable force. I submit as an explanation, in the interest of preserving the fantasy, that the trains operator indelicately tapped the brakes at that exact moment.
There you have it true believers...Denny Crane

...if Spiderman was in a position to move as such, and Doc Ock, to take a forward position on the train, the equation should look something like this...

Am + Tm x Ss/Purple(Sausage x Tangerine) then add the square root of macaroni and VOILA! It's a movie...

I thought we made sense of this. He spreads himself out (1:47/48) which causes more drag, pulls himself together to manuever through to walkway, fans himself out AGAIN (1:50/51) on the other side, producing even more drag, thus slowing himself down enough to be BEHIND Doc Ock. I can guarantee that's how they explain it, if someone ever asks. If not, then it's just a faux pas. Besides, do you really care THAT MUCH? Does it reeeaally affec tthe outcome of the movie for you?

BTW, Doc Ock is not seen @ 1:48 in the film, which if he was stationary, he should be visible, but he's not, so logically, he would have had to have moved forward on the train in order to not be visible immediately after throwing Spiderman. Now, the train is ALSO, not seen the entire time, since you can't see it whilst Spiderman is in the walkway. So, there are thigns going on off-camera, that just aren't visible to us.

Am I the only one on the planet who can't stand Tobey McGuire as Spiderman? I must admit the plots of I and II were great, but Peter Parker is supposed to be a bookworm... not a DORK!! How can you call it "acting" Tobey when ALL the roles you ever played were the same one-dimeional wimp? Half an hour into the first film and I wanted to shove him in a locker!!!

Another 'winner' selection in terms of actors is Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane. The character's name is 'Mary Jane', not 'PLAIN Jane'. There is nothing exciting about Kirsten's looks, performance (or singing for that matter) that justifies her getting this role.

And now we have to endure ANOTHER round of 'Disco Stu' McGuire and 'Plain Jane' Dunst as Sam Raimi screws up another film?! It's bad enough he overpopulated the last film with potentially interesting characters, only to not develop them properly. He also killed off the character of one of the only decent actors in the series (James Franco). Hey Sam, why don't you just put nipples on the Spider-suit and call the next film 'Spiderman - Death of a Franchise' (it worked for Joel Schumacher and George Clooney!)

blah [frick]ing blah.

it's a damn movie. GET OVER IT!

I guess what i'm trying to say is that people are getting all bent out of shape because Spidey and Doc Ock are allegedly breaking Newton's laws.

you won't believe that, but you'll believe that a man can be controlled w/ Artificially intellegent mechanical arms that got fused to his body fighting a man who got bit by a radioactive spider and still lived, much less making his own webs, jumping really high, super speed, super strength, and minimal precognitive abilities?!?

get over yourselves people.