BIGBMH's Take on Superman: Part 3

BIGBMH's Take on Superman: Part 3

Part 3 of my series in which I share my vision of the Superman franchise. In this article, continuing my "What not to do" section , I talk about why the new Superman movie needs to respect who the character is and not try to radically reinvent him.

Editorial Opinion
By BIGBMH - Jan 02, 2011 05:01 PM EST
Filed Under: Superman

After the massive success of The Dark Knight, some people started to think "Hmm... dark superhero movies are the way to go." I've heard talk about trying to revamp Superman and do a dark, gritty take on the character. NO! Just no. A dark movie works for Batman, because that's who the character is. You can't just take a concept that applies for one character and then hope it works for a completely different character. One of the reasons Christopher Nolan's Batman movies are so great is that they're true to the spirit of Batman. You can show those movies to a non-fan to give them a better understanding of Batman and his world. Along with the story, acting, effects, etc., the way to make the ultimate Superman movie is to make something that people can watch and say without a doubt "This is Superman." I realize that a lot of people see Superman as old-fashioned and outdated, but you can't just change who the character is. You have to change the way you present the character so that people see him in a new light and understand him better than they have before. On the road to Superman Returns, there were people who wanted to drastically change Superman. Most of these ideas were terrible. You can read about them here.

Here's an excerpt from one of them:
"Kevin Smith pitched to Jon Peters his story outline in August 1996, in which Peters gave him permission to write a screenplay. However, Peters presented Smith with three rules, such as wanting Superman to wear an all-black suit,[8] feeling the more traditional suit was 'too faggy'; not wanting to see Superman fly,[8] saying that Superman would 'look like an overgrown Boy Scout.'[7] (In order to deal with this, Smith wrote Superman flying as 'a red-and-blue blur in flight, creating a sonic boom every time he flew.'[11]); and have Superman fight a giant spider in the third act. Smith accepted the terms, realizing that he was being hired to execute a pre-ordained idea.[8]


Peters and Warner Bros. forced Smith to write a scene involving Brainiac fighting polar bears at the Fortress of Solitude, and Peters wanted Brainiac to give Lex Luthor a space dog, stating 'Chewie's cuddly, man. You could make a toy out of him, so you've got to give me a dog.'[10] Smith claims this was because of the recent re-release of the original Star Wars trilogy, and claims that Peters wanted Brainiac's robot assistant L-Ron to be voiced by Dwight Ewell, calling him, 'a gay R2-D2 with attitude.'"

People like this Peters guy have no respect for the character and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the production of a Superman movie. If there is one thing you have to give Bryan Singer credit for, it's that he respected Superman and kept his film faithful to the character. I've heard people say that they want to see Superman as more of a bad-ass. Part of the appeal of the character is that he's (for lack of a better term) a good-ass! His kindness and integrity should be evident in any portrayal. When people go to see this movie, they should feel like the Superman they're seeing is the Superman they've always known.

Main Point: Respect and uphold the integrity of the character.

Thanks for reading! Check out the video version of this article here. It's always a fun option for those of you who might be feeling too lazy to read and would just like to listen. And, of course, it has a fun intro!

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BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 1/2/2011, 6:32 PM
@Superguy1591, I too would like to see Superman fight. I really want a scene where he shows just how powerful he is and makes people think "That was pretty badass" But the persona as a whole has to stay the same. I know you understand, but there seem to be people who want him to have more attitude and be less goody goody. This is aimed more at them. Thanks for reading.
Ibz
Ibz - 1/2/2011, 6:43 PM
great article dude. i remember reading on here the supposed plot for bryan singers sequel to superman returns, where his son gets corrupted by braniac some how. a lot of people wanted superman to fight his own son and kill him! SERIOUSLY WTF yeah i know the whole idea of supes having a son didnt go down well but the fact that people want superman to kill some one and worse his own son just shows how people really dont get superman at all.superman should be the one super hero movie that EVERYONE can watch including the little ones, he's meant to be inspiring, i wonder how well kids would take it if they saw superman kill his own son.

but like a lot of people yeah i want superman to cut loose and frick some one over, but i dont want to see an edgy and brooding superman something he's not.
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 1/2/2011, 8:25 PM
Thanks Ibz! That thing with Superman killing Jason sounded pretty awful. I've got some ideas on what I'd like to see them do with the "Superman doesn't kill people" thing. Stay tuned!
jaysin420
jaysin420 - 1/2/2011, 8:53 PM
Great job with this article, I just hope Snyder is thinking the same way.
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 1/2/2011, 9:22 PM
Thanks BaneKill77 and JaySin420!
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 1/3/2011, 5:29 AM
Ah people so love to tell that Peters story. Hollywood often sees things in some wierd ways.

The question that this Editorial mentions but does not answer is HOW?

Superman is indeed hopelessly out of touch. He is a Paragon and these days we don't much care for those. Superman lives very much in a black and white world where most now see shades of grey.

I thought Kingdom Come addressed the central question of Superman rather well. After the Joker killed Lois Lane the average person wanted him dead. When confronted with this simple reality the Man of Steel quits. Humanity is not moral enough for Mr. Superman.

Real life is actually harsher than what was presented in Kingdom Come. The movie version of Superman has to appeal to us. This is a challenge that very seem to actually appreciate. I have no idea how this movie is going to work.

How can you retain the essence of a Character? In this case I don't know that you can.
SeaSerpentine
SeaSerpentine - 1/3/2011, 7:02 AM
Superman Returns once held the Guiness World Record for "Most Expensive Movie Based on a Comic Book Character." When I read that, the first thing I thought was "What a waste!"
Knightstalker
Knightstalker - 1/3/2011, 11:14 AM
Superman is not out of touch. I think it's inspiring to see a hero that has a baseline morality where some (not all) things can be seen in black and white. It is possible to have an action oriented Superman that can use and display his powers but still use them responsibly. Maybe that is part of his growth process and can be used as a plot device. Who knows?
6of13
6of13 - 1/3/2011, 11:14 AM
Nice article.
Yeah, there is absolutely no way that Superman should ever kill Jason if there was a sequel. In fact, I strongly believe that Returns could have had the exact same final outcome if Jason had been omitted from the story.

You are correct about not making Superman dark. Superman is a beacon of hope. The villains he encounters may be dark and evil.

Also, when it comes to Clark Kent - he needs to be relatable. I don't think that Clark's persona should be ignored as much as it was in Superman Returns.


Also, please check out my Superman Villains Poll


Ibz
Ibz - 1/3/2011, 3:45 PM
@6of13 i gotta agree with you there dude its not superman that people should relate to its clark kent
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 1/3/2011, 6:03 PM
@Ibz, It all kind of depends on the way the character is written. In some versions, Clark Kent is the true personality and Superman is a disguise he wears while he's out being a hero. In others, how he acts as Superman is who he really is and the Clark Kent, mild-mannered reporter, personality is just a cover.
I'll have more on my interpretation of the character later on, so stay tuned!
LP4
LP4 - 1/3/2011, 7:00 PM
I just want Superman to FIGHT someone...just ONE PUNCH please.

What Singer did...that was an abortion on screen. No reason for ANYONE to defend that jerkwad for what he did to Supes.

As long as Superman will finally fight, I will be happy. I just don't understand why every other superhero is allowed to fight in their cbm but yet with Superman there is some unwritten-law stating he isn't allowed to throw a punch. That is lame.

Batman is allowed to fight in his films, looks like Green Lantern will be able to fight in his film...all the Marvel heroes have fought in their films.

Yet...we got "Superman Returns" and all Superman ended up doing was standing around moping and spying on Lois.

No more of that. I want Superman to fight.

Keep his attitude the same- goody but not too cheesy either like the Reeve version of the 80's. That 80's-camp attitude must go. This is supposed to be a MODERN take on Supes. SO give him a more modern attitude. Not necessarily "dark" but just give him a more modern-mentality. I don't want to hear him say "Statistically speaking of course, it's still the safest way to travel" we had that with Reeve...Routh then rehashed that same line. I don't want that 80's campiness to make its way into this film. Make this film separate from the Donner era...and make it modern...update Supes without changing him too much and give him a villain he can FIGHT then we have a winner. All that can add up to a great story mixed in of course.

There is a lot that must be done with this new film to fix the mess left over by Singer.
somesuperguy
somesuperguy - 1/3/2011, 7:57 PM
Now I am going to through out a whim here and say that Superman should be played by the main guy here. He could work on a deeper accent/voice and bulk up a little but he seems to be pretty decent.

http://mubi.com/garage/projects/10/films/2335

What you guys think? I've been following this movie since it began and think he really has the right look for a younger Superman.
steelrocks
steelrocks - 1/3/2011, 10:14 PM

yeah I agree! He does have the looks.

I feel the same way as LP4. Please give superman a decent fight, for once. Great fight scenes, for once. No more donner dialogues and overtly loving actionless (or stalking) stories.
steelrocks
steelrocks - 1/3/2011, 10:15 PM

And if that peters guy was allowed to do the shitty @ss superman movie his jacked up mind was trying to do, I think I would personally kill that bastard
6of13
6of13 - 1/4/2011, 7:04 AM
Totally agree with LP4
In fact, Superman was like one of the first big action heroes, so he really does need to throw more than a few punches. Personally, I want his fighting style to incorporate more than just an uppercut. Okay okay, so I kinda picture Supes using a few wrestling moves, like a suplex or a Rock Bottom - but that's just what I would think would look amazing.

IBZ: Exactly. Also, making Clark relatable makes him blend in more 'cos that way he seems more "ordinary".

BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 1/4/2011, 9:32 AM
@Superguy1591, Interesting. I never knew that. I'd like to see his fighting skills improve over the series.
somesuperguy
somesuperguy - 1/4/2011, 2:17 PM
@ steelrocks30 - who do you agree with that he has the looks? If it's me then you should check out the interview I did with him- http://www.comicbookmovie.com/superman_movies/news/?a=27370#postcomment
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