SMALLVILLE Star Kristin Kreuk On Not Returning As Lana Lang In Final Season And Being "Replaced" By Lois Lane

@0bstreperous - Nice! How is NYCC? She strikes me as someone who would be very pleasant, did you get that impression after meeting her?

@0bstreperous - Awesome! I always feel like NYCC and SDCC are probably the best ones to go to for new content announcements but the crowds look NUTS

@lazlodaytona - I might be wrong, but that sex cult fiasco preceded cancel culture by a hair, so I think she's fine to come back. They never proved that she was in the inner circle like Chloe(now if that had happened today, it wouldn't have mattered if she denied the allegations, she would be mired by that brush forever)

@ObserverIO - i agree. I'm not saying Kristin got too involved. Just she was briefly involved but wisely dropped out.
Sad thing is, I saw Allison Mack in Metropolis years ago and she was the kindest, biggest sweetheart ... I was just shocked with the whole thing.
I don't judge her because anyone can get hooked on cults, cocaine, pornography, alcohol (which happened to me after my divorce) over-religious churches, and so on.

I hope she's seeking help because the best first step is to accept you've got a problem.

Prays for her.

@clintthahamster - dude, Kevin Spacey was cleared of all charges but do you really think he was 100% innocent? Especially hanging out with Bryan Singer and being in his films?

and, look it up. watch Bill Burr's comedy bit on Sean Connery talking about "giving a little slap to women sometimes." Hollywood is full of F'd up people.....directors to producers to actors, to whatever else.
It's sick.

Will Smith assaults a guy in front of millions of viewers and then he wins an award because he did a film about black people .... the EXACT race of the guy he assaulted. I'm glad Chris Rock tore him a new one on his last special.

and that pedophile living in Poland (I believe) who assaulted a 13-year-old girl (and probably many more) years ago but isn't being punished because the country won't extradite him. Yet Hollywood stands when he gets an Academy Award to applause him.

Yeah, I'm not trying to be mean to you or argumentative but you just CAN NOT support the a-holes who work in Hollywood.

@Steel86 - "And Tom was 32-33 when Smallville ended a pretty good ways away from 40."

You got me there. I mean, no one thinks it's weird a dude was almost into his mid-twenties playing a high school freshman?

@lazlodaytona - Yes and no. TV and movies actor play younger and older all the time. And its not like he was forever in high school. Show lasted 10 years and high school was only 4 of them.

@clintthahamster - Spacey might be a prime example. Singer maybe. Whedon denied/clarified most of the things he was accused of saying. Majors was cancelled BEFORE being found guilty. A lot of Ezra's action were accusations (not all of them, of course). It seems most people are merely accused and then promptly cancelled.

I think a better challenge would be to find people who were proven guilty being cancelled.

@ObserverIO - Yeah, that's my question and elephant in the room. How is Chloe handled.

@The1st - I think because Chloe was found guilty it would be a different story in here case.

@clintthahamster - Kristen Kreuk would not fall into the category of proven innocent though, she just denied the accusations. Innocence is hard to prove too.

But of course it's worse to punish someone for something they didn't do than to not punish someone for something they did, so that's why we give preferential treatment to those who are not found guilty over those who are not found innocent (innocent until proven guilty).
Legally at least, on social media it's the opposite way around unfortunately. But people do be people.

@clintthahamster - She was accused of being a part of the inner circle and recruiting people like Chloe (I forget her real name). Her and Chloe were fast friends in real life as well as on the show, so it is possible that the accusations had merit, since Chloe was second in charge of the whole darn racket.

Accountability is different, even blacklisting would not be the same as cancel culture. These are sensible things and not social viruses.

@The1st - Maybe they'll write her out and give her character a suitable ending, somehow. Maybe she was investigating something and died to get a message to Clark and her death it's what brings the whole gang back together, like Coulson in Avengers or something.

@clintthahamster - A lot of people love cancel culture. People used to love hangings too. And lynchings. And watching Christians fed to the lions. Whenever people were in the stacks, in medieval times, no matter what they were found guilty of doing whether it was mass murder or stealing apples to feed their kids, whether it was rape or sharing negatory opinions about their rulers, people would love to go and throw things at them, spit on them, taunt them, sometimes even rape them. It was the done thing.

Most people love that kind of thing. Seriously, most people. That's what we're like, give us a good excuse, paint somebody as bad and we'll give 'em all we can.

Any justifiable excuse is all anyone ever needs to excercise their worst natures.

@twistedcastles - I'm glad Ms Vandervoort escaped. She seems nice.

@clintthahamster - The bad things humans do to each other differ in severity yes.

People do love a good excuse to let their worst demons loose whether that be for a lynch mob or cancel culture, it comes from the same place.
Saying terrible things on the internet is not as bad as raping someone in the stacks, but both are examples of bad behaviour that is given free reign under the pretence of civility. Just because everybody's doing it doesn't make it right.

Have you ever heard of the Milgram experiment? That's the psychology I'm talking about.

@clintthahamster - It should be disturbing. It is disturbing.

You're trying to diminish cancel culture by reducing it to Kevin Spacey not being hired by film studios.
He was "Widely reputed to be a sex pest". He was also found innocent. He had consensual relations with a young gay man.

But even if he is guilty it goes beyond his losing work. The entire world turned against him as a person. They all said reprehensible things about him.

You yourself on this very thread have said that you would like to see him die in prison.

@ObserverIO - It should be disturbing. It is disturbing.

Well, shit, mission accomplished then. But maybe just do a google image search for "lynching photos" or "Emmett Till death photo" and then do another google image search for "Kevin Spacey 2023" and let me know if you find any differences there.

He was "Widely reputed to be a sex pest". He was also found innocent.

He was not found innocent. He was found "Not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt." OJ Simpson, too. Also Robert Blake, Oscar Pistorius, R. Kelly in 2002. Bill Cosby is a free man on a technicality. That doesn't mean no crime was committed, only that they weren't convicted.

As for Spacey, yes, he's been acquitted. Twice! He's also been accused by more than 50 individuals, across nearly 50 years and on several different continents. Maybe all 50+ dudes are just trying to get rich and famous, though. That's probably what it is. It's worked out great so far.

The entire world turned against him as a person. They all said reprehensible things about him.

Yeah, dude, that's what we're supposed to do when more than fifty people say "that guy sexually assaulted me."

You yourself on this very thread have said that you would like to see him die in prison.

That's an American idiom meaning "Spend the rest of their life paying for their crimes." I don't want to literally witness an execution. I'm opposed to the death penalty for anyone (not to mention prison for anyone other than MAYBE serial rapists.)

"you're fixating on my one use of lynch mobs as an example of how humans do bad things to each other because they are socially encouraged to and you're trying to say that the comparison is reductive of lynch mobs."

Hey, that's fair, you also mentioned public hangings, torture (assuming that by "stacks" you mean "stocks") and murder for sport. None of which are REMOTELY comparable to losing esteem in the public's eyes or having trouble finding work in one's preferred profession (though not even that in Spacey's case, as he's worked steadily in the last couple of years, and has had several prominent actors and directors come to his defense very recently.

And what about Louis CK? He was "cancelled," then sold out Madison Square Garden and nominated for a Grammy. Mel Gibson has been "cancelled" at least three times in the last 25 years and keeps getting work nonetheless. JK Rowling is still the richest author in the world and still has her publishing deal. The bottom line is, if people want to work with you, they will. If they don't, they won't.

This is quite similar to the cancellation of Gina Carano, don't you think?

What is? Spacey's cancellation? Or lynching. Because, neither, TBH. Carano was a washed up kickboxer with a handful of credits, mostly direct-to-video/VOD. She was fired by Disney for comparing the treatment of conservatives during the COVID pandemic to Jews during the Holocaust, which was stupid as shit, but far less severe an offense when compared to 50+ allegations of sexual misconduct. She also wasn't beaten to death for talking to a white woman. So, no, no accurate comparisons here.

Another perfect example of how much people love to cancel people. It makes them salivate. I'm almost certain it turns them on sexually.

Hey man, no kink shaming, if that's what you're into. But me? I was rooting for Carano and happy for her success. I'd followed her career since Haywire (I'm a big Soderberg guy and saw it in the theater) and was happy to see her back in Deadpool and Mandalorian. I also don't blame Disney in the slightest for distancing themselves from someone who mixed their COVID misinfo with anti-semitism (it wasn't just COVID misinfo, because Leticia Wright and Evangeline Lilly both kept their jobs.)