James Gunn Explains Why He Took DC Studios Job While Responding To Henry Cavill/SUPERMAN Conspiracy Theory

James Gunn Explains Why He Took DC Studios Job While Responding To Henry Cavill/SUPERMAN Conspiracy Theory

James Gunn is overseeing the DCU's launch alongside Peter Safran at DC Studios and has now explained why he took the job after being accused of always plotting to oust Henry Cavill from his Superman role.

By JoshWilding - Apr 28, 2024 06:04 AM EST
Filed Under: Superman: Legacy

If 2023 proved anything, it's that the DCEU desperately needed to be rebooted. Movies like Shazam! Fury of the Gods, The Flash, and Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom were disasters, and those all-important box office numbers confirmed fans had reached the end of their tether with the franchise.

Warner Bros. Discovery formed DC Studios at the end of 2022, tapping filmmaker James Gunn and veteran producer Peter Safran to oversee a new slate of projects set in the DCU. 

Not everyone has been happy about that, of course, particularly as it's meant saying goodbye to some fan-favourite actors. Man of Steel star Henry Cavill is near the top of the list and his stint as Superman ended in less-than-perfect circumstances. 

After his Black Adam cameo, Warner Bros. gave the actor a green light to announce his return as Superman. A couple of months later, Cavill was fired from the role because Gunn, now heading up DC Studios, wanted to cast a new Kal-El for his reboot. 

We've since learned the SUPERMAN helmer had plans to tell a story about the Man of Tomorrow as far back as 2021. This has somehow led to a conspiracy theory surfacing that claims Gunn always planned to oust Cavill and take over the DCEU.. 

"I don’t quite understand how that fits," the DC Studios co-CEO said, responding to a fan on Threads. "Aside from the fact I had no interest in running DC until Peter decided to do it with me so he could do the exec stuff [and] I could focus on creative, when I was hired to write Superman it was always intended as & pitched as a new Superman story."

"So why would I lie about not planning that at the Squad premiere which would have amounted to the same thing at the end of the day? How does this particular conspiracy theory make sense?"

Gunn continued fending off some wild accusations which stemmed from Nathan Fillion accidentally saying he'd been cast as Guy Gardner at The Suicide Squad premiere when, in reality, it happened at the Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 one. 

The whole thing is pretty bizarre and there's clearly no truth to Gunn having a secret masterplan to make this franchise his own. However, not helping matters is the fact he's bringing back many of the actors he worked with in the DCEU, all while moving on from the likes of Cavill and Ben Affleck (who, like Zack Snyder, have a rabid fanbase).

SUPERMAN tells the story of Superman's journey to reconcile his Kryptonian heritage with his human upbringing as Clark Kent of Smallville, Kansas. He is the embodiment of truth, justice and the American way, guided by human kindness in a world that sees kindness as old-fashioned.

David Corenswet is playing the Man of Steel, while Rachel Brosnahan has been tapped to star as Lois Lane.

SUPERMAN is currently set to be released in theaters on July 11, 2025.

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LSHF
LSHF - 4/28/2024, 6:15 AM
I wonder how many more years of responding to stupid [frick]ing questions will pass before he just starts ignoring them. They are never going to end.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/28/2024, 6:30 AM
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Anyway , I’m glad Safran and Gunn have their assumed roles of the former handling the business side while the latter does creative…

I wish more franchises had set up an infrastructure like that since 2 heads are better then one.
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 4/28/2024, 6:33 AM
I'm surprised Gunn has the time for this other, unpaid job of responding to all the fanboys and providing explanations and details. It seems like he should have better things to do. He may as well just hop on the comments here with all of us
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 4/28/2024, 7:11 AM
@ProfessorWhy - yeah. He really needs to go silent for a while and let the mystery deepen.
dragon316
dragon316 - 4/28/2024, 9:11 AM
@ProfessorWhy - not like Kevin does with marvel
Deadinside
Deadinside - 4/30/2024, 10:08 AM
@ProfessorWhy - "He may as well just hop on the comments here with all of us"

Who's to say that he doesn't...!☮️😉
Forthas
Forthas - 4/28/2024, 6:39 AM
This is a bit disingenuous ...James! If you are only interested in doing the "creative" stuff, then why are you a CEO at all? Why did they not hire Peter Safran as the CEO and you do the creative stuff without being made a co-CEO.

Either Zaslav has no faith in Safran as sole CEO (which begs the question why put him in the role) OR somehow James Gunn insisted on the role and Safran is a add on as someone to do the executive stuff and you are the one really calling the shots.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 4/28/2024, 7:24 AM
@Forthas - I'd say there are fair odds WB wanted a double act as exec only types have messed too much with prior films (such as forcing last minute changes to JL and the first SS) and creative only types with too much power over the franchise has also created their own issues but I could be wrong. Finding a single person good enough at both aspects of the job can't be easy as more oft than not your talking jack of all trades, master of non. Finding someone who is great at the exec stuff and OK with the creative side and vice versa with their partner theoreticaly should be a winning formula if they both work well together.

That is not saying it WILL work out great, but feel more chances it will than (regardless opinions on them one way or another) getting another Snyder with too much say over the path for all the films/shows in the new franchise then the top studio execs feeling the need to meddle or indeed a Feige type who could end up over stretched without suffice input/over sight with a large number of IP's in the pipeline.
Forthas
Forthas - 4/28/2024, 7:55 AM
@Apophis71 - With the Snyder example, I believe that a Warner Brothers executive came out and stated that Snyder did not have control over the DC...what he did do was paint the studio into a corner with BVS which defined all of the main Justice League characters in one film. In a shared universe any other directors would then need to follow his lead.

As far as someone who can do the creative and executive together...you are right there are maybe a few that can marry both. The only other person I can think of that can compete with Kevin Feige is Jonathan Nolan who is a writer, director and showrunner/producer in the superhero/sci fi/ fantasy genre. Virtually all of his productions have been successful.
Origame
Origame - 4/28/2024, 8:37 AM
@Forthas - this is implying there's no creativity involved with being ceo. This may be true for something like an accounting business, but we're talking about a movie studio. In order to understand what kind of movies you want to release requires creativity.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 4/28/2024, 8:56 AM
@Forthas - Completely agree and yes Snyder ultimately didn't have overall control of DC which was part the problem. In that those who were in charge appeared too hands off at first thus effectively sleep walking into allowing it to become painted into a corner with the path Zack laid then overcompensated badly the other way when things weren't going well enough for them.

IF they had got two or three seperate creative to do two or three solo entirely seperate films first with differing styles (that just could be percieved as in the same world) before bringing them together then it could have worked far better as not all of Snyders ideas were bad, there was at first great potential and he has got a good eye for visuals but...

...anyway, hope it all turns out well with the reboot.
Forthas
Forthas - 4/28/2024, 10:52 AM
@Origame - I partly agree with you. That is correct in the case of being CEO of a brand specific studio like Marvel, Star Wars, or DC. For example Marvel has an entire economic ecosystem built around that brand and it has to be consistent and the head of the studio needs to be able to bring the different related products together and therefore know a lot about the brnd.

Not in the case of being the CEO of the company or a studio that produces various unrelated films. I don't think the CEO needs to be involved on the creative side. That is why a Bob Iger would hire a Kevin Feige.

Origame
Origame - 4/28/2024, 10:58 AM
@Forthas - ...but Gunn is literally co ceo of one of the brand specific studios you mentioned.
Forthas
Forthas - 4/28/2024, 2:12 PM
@Origame - EXACTLY! He is admitting he does not do the "exec stuff" So how did he wind up with the job? Of the two skills that one needs, I would imagine that the "exec stuff" would be the more important given that Hollywood is FILLED with creatives... so why James Gunn?
Origame
Origame - 4/28/2024, 2:14 PM
@Forthas - ...because by your own admission this still requires creativity and they hired another guy to handle the "exec stuff".
Forthas
Forthas - 4/28/2024, 2:53 PM
@Origame - James Gunn said that he was not interested in doing the "exec stuff". Why is he a Co-CEO at all then? Just be a director. If they need to go out and get someone to do it for him then it probably was planned since the job calls for that skill and Gunn claims he does not want to do that.
Origame
Origame - 4/28/2024, 4:13 PM
@Forthas - ...because there's a guy there to focus on that while he focuses on the creative side. Why is this not clear?
Asterisk
Asterisk - 4/28/2024, 4:23 PM
@Forthas - he’s handling the creative direction of the universe. Hope this helps
Forthas
Forthas - 4/28/2024, 8:46 PM
@Origame -
@Asterisk

Let me try to simplify my position and hopefully you will read it slowly and I will even use analogies so you understand...

Lets pretend you work at McDonalds and the manager wants to promote you to supervisor but the job requires that you are able to both flip burgers and handle the cash register. You tell the manager "I can flip burgers as good or better than anyone but I am terrible at handling the cash register. I don't want to do it." Unless you live in a Bizarro land, virtually every manager will say OK I'll get someone else.

What makes James Gunn so special that David Zaslav changes the requirments of the job...pays TWO people a CEO salary and lets James Gunn work as a director and writer and prodcucer of films he oversees as CEO. Is this a common set up in Hollywwod? The answer is no! So back to my question which none of you have answered...why is James Gunn in the CEO role?
Origame
Origame - 4/28/2024, 9:32 PM
@Forthas - well using your example, a supervisor can be hired who can run the cash register AND flip the burgers. But considering the burger flipper was chosen for a promotion because of them being the best at burger flipping, it's understandable to still consider them to supervise the kitchen while you get someone to supervise the registers. It's not a bad system, especially since a burger place would get a lot of foot traffic during the lunch rush.

Same logic here.

Having a ceo who knows what makes a solid story as well as one that understands the ins and outs of business is a good strategy to deliver quality products that brings in money. Gunn can think of the details of the overarching story of the dcu and what goes into the individual movies while Safran focuses on budget, audience scores, and including big names like batman.
Forthas
Forthas - 4/28/2024, 9:48 PM
@Origame - "It's not a bad system..."

Really? having TWO supervisors. You are paying twice as much, what happens when they disagree about something especially if the disagreement is between a creative decision that would negatively impact financial considerations. Not logical!
Origame
Origame - 4/28/2024, 10:06 PM
@Forthas - well good thing they hired two guys that clearly get along with each other. They even already having a working relationship with each other. Hence why Gunn also said he was happy he was working with specifically Safran.
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 4/28/2024, 6:43 AM
He may have not had plans to take over DC but definitely wanted nothing to do with Henry!

He turned down doing MOS 2 saying he'd rather work with more obscure characters but now it turns out he was pitching a stand alone Superman movie 😅

Mf lies a lot 🤥🤥🤥
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 4/28/2024, 7:14 AM
@DeadClunge - he almost couldn't use Henry with how his character was treated in BvS until the complete end. It's like his version of Supes was tainted and wouldn't do well.
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 4/28/2024, 8:46 AM
@lazlodaytona - nah that's just an excuse 😅 Thor literally got tainted and came back, then got tainted againg 😭.

All it takes is 1 movie to turn things around in the eyes of the GA. The GA do not nitpick superman they us nerds do and Cavill was loved.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 4/28/2024, 10:27 AM
@DeadClunge - except Thor is not near as popular as Supes
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 4/28/2024, 10:49 AM
@lazlodaytona - nope he's not but people were excited for Supes return (black adam cameo). I would have at least liked 1 cavill supes movie outside of snyder.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 4/28/2024, 12:07 PM
@DeadClunge - 🙄🎯
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 4/28/2024, 2:15 PM
@DeadClunge - not me.
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 4/28/2024, 2:53 PM
@lazlodaytona - and that's fine! I ain't mad at you for it 😅 but I did so I'm mad a Gunn/WB (well Gunn for lying a lot)
WhateverItTakes
WhateverItTakes - 4/28/2024, 6:54 AM
Doesn't this guy ever shut up
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/28/2024, 6:57 AM
That's a smart move. Think it's pretty difficult to do both executive and creative stuff. Can think of only a few examples that worked.

Anyway, with The Batman being it's own thing it doesn't surprise me that Superman would've been too. Wonder if maybe they even were in the same universe if the DCEU stuck around.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 4/28/2024, 7:15 AM
@bkmeijer1 - same multi-verse
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/28/2024, 7:26 AM
@bkmeijer1 - I doubt it since Reeves wanted to be seperate from everything and just have his own corner to play with.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/28/2024, 1:11 PM
@TheVisionary25 - thought it was just a clean slate to start with, which wouldn't really discard the possibility of the universe growing after. With Gunn's vision for Superman though, that wouldn't have worked I guess
mck13
mck13 - 4/28/2024, 7:56 AM
Gunns Superman in red undies will FAIL! Lex with Otis as comic relief?? No fans was asking for that! No fan want HENRY CAVILL FIRED just to hire his lookalike...THAT WAS A TERRIBLE MOVE! Superman movie with 5 other superhero's???????? SOUNDS LIKE A FLOP!
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 4/28/2024, 8:32 AM
@mck13 - speak for yourself and not for all, lol.
micvalpro
micvalpro - 4/28/2024, 9:28 AM
@mck13 - Hmm you changed names again huh. You know when they ban you it’s for a reason.
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