Superman, what are we going to do with you?

Superman, what are we going to do with you?

WB are dragging their feet when it comes to superhero movies. Even grinding to a halt when it comes to Superman. I think they are quite simply scared to make a choice! Here's my opinion:

Editorial Opinion
By ThunderCougarFalconBird - Sep 29, 2009 08:09 AM EST
Filed Under: Superman

Should WB reboot or carry on? The answer is simple for me. Give the reboot idea a boot out the window! “But 'Superman Returns' was horrible!” I hear you all whine! Well here's a few home truths. We have yet to see an unflawed Superman on the big screen. The 1st Reeve movies were great but even more flawed than the Routh showing if you look closely enough and kick the pedestal out from under them! In fact, "Superman Returns" is the LEAST flawed Superman movie to date, yet we still bring it down.

Just a few bad points of Superman movie outings:

Superman 1 - Spinning the Earth backwards to reverse time?! Even taking the "reality" of superpowers into account, this just shatters any illusion of a credible universe. There is just too much wrong with this for anyone to sit and think “with a stretch of imagination, that could happen."

Superman 2 - Throwing the "S". Yes, from out of nowhere Superman has unlocked the mysteries of fresh sandwich packing and uses his new found knowledge as a weapon?! Where does this “S” come from? Does his suit have rip-off layers like a race driver’s visor? And how exactly is this intended to stop a super villain?

Superman 3 - Actually there is no one major flaw as far as concepts go on this movie. The machine that makes Kryptonite, the evil inducing manufactured kryptonite/tobacco? While far fetched, these at least have some merit in the comic universe.

Superman 4 - Moving along!

Superman Returns - The boy! My god the boy! As terrible an idea as this was, it was nothing when you compare it to the floors of the other films. Don't even mention the kryptonite island because if you think that was wrong, then you have the observational skills of a blind mollusk! Rorschach01 and I have been on here explaining that scene more times than either of us should have to. The scene MAKES SENSE!!! And if you don't think it does, I suggest you think about Superman’s powers, where he gets them, and how kryptonite affects him. Then watch it again, and this time, actually WATCH it!

So why do we accept these major flaws in the 1st two movies but we hammer the coffin nails down on "Superman Returns" for giving us a much more believable universe?

1 - The release dates. Reeves' Superman was ground breaking, nothing like that had been done so convincingly. While "Returns" was visually stunning, we have grown to expect that level of fx work on any movie these days.

2 - Villains. The Reeve collection had a fantastic Zod and even one or two other villains but Lex Luthor was everywhere. By the time Routh came along we wanted something new, but once again Lex got in the way of that, proving he is not only the nemesis of The Man of Steel, but also ours! Is this reason to hate "Superman Returns" just because we got the same villain as before? I don’t think so.

3 - Action. Well, we all have a go at "Returns" for not having enough of it. Well, newsflash, there is far more action in "Returns" as there is in "Superman 1," but again, we gloss over that! Our moaning is another sign of the times. We have grown to enjoy mindless smashing and if it’s not everywhere, then we must be watching a chic-flick! There is such thing as a compelling story people!

4 – Cast. We all know Reeve was one of the best fitting actor/character matches ever to grace our screens. Margot Kidder was a great match for Lois and Gene Hackman doesn’t often put in a bad performance! In short, the cast was fantastic. So was "Superman Returns" lacking? Yes it was, when you compare it to the original saga, but not where you would think. Routh was nothing short of brilliant! If you didn’t like him please just here me out. We talk about how hard it must have been for Heath to follow Jack and now how hard it will be for anyone to follow Heath. Roth’s job was so much harder than any of those. Reeve was not only the perfect embodiment of Superman, his tragic personal life made him one of the most loved celebrities the world has seen. His death cemented his place in the hearts and minds of all old enough to remember Superman and/or understand his situation. How can anyone match that?! Routh was asked the impossible, but he still pulled it off! Given the chance to put his own stamp on the role and not just imitate Reeve, we will see a new Superman as enjoyable as ever. So where are the weak links? Spacey was good but a little too hammy for my liking. I would still keep him on for any future Lex roles but I’d want him to bring his A-game. The major let down was Kate Bosworth. Although nicely acted, her character just wasn’t Lois.

To conclude – We are all guilty of asking too much from today’s Superman while accepting too little from yesterday's Man of Steel. "Superman Returns" was not quite what we wanted, but it was an enjoyable movie with good performances, good action, and a more complete story than any we have seen. It fell at a few hurdles but it is a good basis for a strong and compelling franchise, if only we would wake up and admit it. The only thing I ask, KILL THE BOY! Not only does this solve the only major floor of the movie it will provide a very deep emotional storyline that results in mind blowing action. And that may just be the kick this franchise needs.

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marvelguy
marvelguy - 9/29/2009, 11:33 AM
Here's the main problem with "Returns:" it is a sequel. It is "Superman 2.5." It is a movie that re-uses lines from the first Reeve flick. Brandon Routh was not bad, because he was not required to do anything. He is positioned as a Reeve clone. You don't have to compare it to the first round of movies, because its being a sequel makes it even more awkward than Kilmer and Clooney following Keaton.
The rest of the cast: no chemistry. Kate Bosworth was weak, Frank Langella is a good actor in a poorly scripted role. Who played Jimmy Olsen? That poor guy was put in solely for appearance sake. And Spacey as Luthor: you're right, too hammy. They should take note of the current comic Luthor and the one they've used since the animated series.
You don't even have to compare plot holes. Singer is the main fault to all of this. Then you have to ask the studio heads what their vision was.
In all, it was a terrible movie because the concept is extremely flawed. No one involved could have done well since the whole idea was ridiculous. I went to see it only for the effects. The bullet on the eye was great! The story? "Mannequin, too."
supermarioworldE
supermarioworldE - 9/29/2009, 12:02 PM
Gotta go with marvelguy. We didn't need a sequel to a 30 year old franchise back in 2006, we needed a fresh, and new superman movie. To be honest though, the only superman movie I ever really liked was the first one
ThunderCougarFalconBird
ThunderCougarFalconBird - 9/29/2009, 12:43 PM
Perhaps we didn't need a "direct" sequel but we sure as hell don't need to have another look at his origin. If a reboot was to be done it needs to be Hulk style but then you have to ask, whats the point in that? Why wipe out whats happened when none of it is beyond fixing?

My main point of this article was to get people to open their eyes to the number of faults in the old movies and go easy on Returns.
TheUnknown
TheUnknown - 9/29/2009, 1:21 PM
Right on marvelguy. They need to restart the story, not necessarily from the beginning, but get rid of Superman's kid!
ecksmanfan
ecksmanfan - 9/29/2009, 1:50 PM
Great article Howlett. My issue with "Superman Returns" is that I feel like Singer tried to recreate the idea of X2 by attempting to combine action and drama, and have them balance out...He failed. That's what i liked so much about X2, it was balanced.

It's hard to look past the few things that ruined Returns: the kid and Kate Bosworth mostly. I think we all agree that it's time to put Luthor to the side and bring someone in and have a complete and total slobber-knocker fight between Superman and Doomsday or even Lobo to bring that character to the mainstream.
flames809
flames809 - 9/29/2009, 3:31 PM
i think they should give tom welling a chance to wear the suit and actually play superman
AUTiger
AUTiger - 9/29/2009, 5:06 PM
Maybe the studio's biggest problem is trying to please all the fans when it just isn't going to happen. If I was a studio exec. and visited this website, my reaction would be that there is no chance the true fans will ever be satisfied. Honestly, I have been visiting this site for about 4-6 months and I have yet to see a positive comment about any new movies that have come out. The reality is that the studios have to make money or there is no reason to make the movies. There are not enough "true fans" to fund the movies alone, so changes have to be made to appeal to a broader audience. I suggest you get over it or stop watching the movies.
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 9/29/2009, 5:08 PM
FLAMES, I AGREE..EVERYONE WANTS TO SEE THIS GUY BECOME SUPERMAN..I WANNA SEE A MORE TRUE TO COMIC MOVIE.FANS LOVE WHEN MOVIES COMPLIMENT THE COMIC BOOKS..THINK BACK TO ALL THE MOMENTS IN ALL OF THE SUPERMAN FILMS YOU LOVED THE MOST, ADD THAT TOGETHER AND YOU HAVE WHAT WILL SELL. I LOVED THE SECOND ONE, TRUE HE THREW THE S...AND HE HAD A PSYCHE POWER,BUT I DID FIND IT THE MOST ENJOYABLE..SUPERMAN IS NEAR UNBEATABLE, WHEN YOU SEE THE GUY STRUGGLING, AGAINST FOES THAT EITHER OUTNUMBER HIM OR OVER POWER HIM..YOU GOTTA WATCH.WHY DO YOU THINK THE DEATH OF SUPERMAN WAS SO HUGE?BIGWIGS...STUDIOS, YOU WANT THE RIGHT FORMULA? JUST READ THE DAM BOOKS, HIRE A FANWORTHY DIRECTOR WITH A NEW VISION AND GET IT DONE
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 9/29/2009, 5:11 PM
2 WORDS....ZACK SNYDER
InTylerWeTrust
InTylerWeTrust - 9/29/2009, 5:18 PM
Zack Snyder should be saved for a Doomsday movie. He is too dark and bloody for a regular Superman reboot, which is what we're likely going to get as the next Supes movie.

Neil Blomkamp/Peter Jackson for the reboot.
WulfComicFan
WulfComicFan - 9/29/2009, 5:20 PM
Returns should have NEVER happened!My main problem with it was Routh! You bring up Ledger, but Ledger didn't even come close to being like Nicholson's Joker! Ledger made the role HIS OWN!!! Routh rehashed Reeve's!!! Total crap, and it made me feel like I just wasted my money!I will concede that Kilmer & Clooney's Bats were terrible, but they ALSO made the role their own, not being the same character as Keaton!Plus there are WAY better ways to show Supes hurting about Lois being married than having him appear to stalk her! I mean c'mon!The kid was horrible, and the story itself was lacking! At least the old ones were ENTERTAINING! Returns was NOT!
WulfComicFan
WulfComicFan - 9/29/2009, 5:22 PM
And everyone who wants Tom Welling, I'm sorry, but he has said he'll never wear the cape, so how do you feel about a non-flying, non-cape wearing whiner!
WulfComicFan
WulfComicFan - 9/29/2009, 5:23 PM
@ InTyler, Peter Jackson Doomsday! Zack Snyder can write it! I think that would be GOLD!!!!
InTylerWeTrust
InTylerWeTrust - 9/29/2009, 5:25 PM
Tom Welling hell no. He brings WAY too much baggage from Smallville.

Routh is a better actor, he should return (pun intended) to the Superman role. SR wasn't his fault. Singer wanted to make it exactly like the Donner movies, he kept Routh in the shadow of Reeves.
bizarro
bizarro - 9/29/2009, 5:29 PM
i think the studios should listen to the fans side of it.you cant shelf the first superhero especialy not superman.sure singers story sucked large but dont blame the actors.routh was excellent if you ask me.spacey was very good.kate not to good.my choice for lois would have been salma blair.shes alittle more fiestier.langella could have been alittle more meaner too but remember that was the script and the script again just sucked.i wrote my own story on how the next movie should be but...if i post it i know someones gonna steal my idea.every1 who read it said ...ya thats it.but maybe who knows i might be able to get it to some1 at dc.
shibazz
shibazz - 9/29/2009, 5:29 PM
The kryptonite Island is one of the stupidest things i have ever seen. The idea of it was brilliant for lex. But Superman lifting it?! Just the radiation of that much Kryptonite would be unbearable for Supes. Your argument is about as lame as Lex's sidekick in Superman 1. Your argument makes me wann go Nee Nee and thus i shal Fart in thy general direction!
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 9/29/2009, 5:31 PM
Amen brother Howlett, preach it! Returns gets a [frick]ing lambasting for no good reason in my book. And i'm also sick of the "stalker" thing. He looked into her [frick]ing window for 5 seconds! How is that stalking? That scene was to remind us that Supes/Kent cross over more times than he would like. That he is never above succumbing to human emotions and petty jealousy. Its all in the comics folks.
InTylerWeTrust
InTylerWeTrust - 9/29/2009, 5:33 PM
I agree Ror. I thought Returns was solid. No, it wasn't quite the Superman film we expected or wanted, but I feel that it gets thrashed just because it wasn't exactly what we wanted. I liked the story, the acting (apart from Bosworth), the CGI (which was superb IMO), etc.
samd577
samd577 - 9/29/2009, 5:34 PM
I cannot begin to imagine the vast sums of money they would have to pay Tom Welling to play Superman. Maybe he was planning it all along...
antz1104
antz1104 - 9/29/2009, 5:37 PM
Returns pissed me off b/c they didn't have the Luthor lackey Otis. That guy was awesome! For chrissakes he tried to get his own place in the first one called "OTISVILLE". That was funny as hell!

That and I was under the impression he went to find Krypton when a star was discovered b/c he felt guilty for killing the kryptonians in #2. That coupled w/ him coming back to find everything changed w/ Lois and he barely showed any emotion at all. Good man of steel, crappy CK.
JYCowboy
JYCowboy - 9/29/2009, 5:37 PM
I agree we don't need another Origin story as I believe all current sources pretty well tell us that story. If the origin story is told again, Im afraid it would be used to muttle up the story we really want to see that has the center based on a conflict. Let it stand with what has come before.

I don't want a sequel to Smallville for my Sups outing. Smallville is is own take on the story which is an alternate universe. If it comes after it ends, great. I just don't see it has the final movie adaptation.

In short have to agree with Marvelguy on SR. Go with a sequel to SR, right the wrongs with that flic and move on with a different director/writer/producer.

Give us Superman!! Truth, Justice and all that jazz. If you want something dark, make it the world he confronts and not him.
JYCowboy
JYCowboy - 9/29/2009, 5:40 PM
@antz1104

Otisberg
antz1104
antz1104 - 9/29/2009, 5:40 PM
Sequels the way to go. Wasn't my favorite sups movie but it wasa solid stepping stone.
antz1104
antz1104 - 9/29/2009, 5:42 PM
@ JY sorry I thought I was better than that...
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 9/29/2009, 5:45 PM
RETURNS WAS BORING...NO SUPER POWERED VILLAN, HE HAD A SON?..LAMENTING OVER A REMANANT OF HIS HOME PLANET SO HE ABANDONS THE PLANET FOR YEARS...EMO EMO EMO...CARRIES A KRYPTONITE ISLAND...CMON HE WOULD HAVE DIED..RETURNS WAS NOSTALGIC..THIS IS A NEW AGE..WE NEED SOMETHING NEW..THATS WHY NOT EVERYBODY LIKED IT.LETS SEE THE KRYPTONIANS RETURN, OR DOOMSDAY...DARKSIED INVADING EARTH..YOU WANNA DO EPIC, LEX LUTHOR HAS BEEN DONE THAT WAY, PEOPLE DONT WANNA SEE AN EMO SUPERMAN WITH AN ILIJITAMATE SON.EFFECTS WERE GOOD BUT WHEN THEY PUT IN A NOTICABLE CG SUPERMAN, YOU KNOW, STICK TO THE OLD WAY AND JUST USE THE REAL DUDE FOR CLOSE UPS, CGI SUPERMAN CLOSE UPS IS A WASTE OF MONEY.
InTylerWeTrust
InTylerWeTrust - 9/29/2009, 5:46 PM
A reboot should be done to the franchise. It gives us the opportunity for a fresh, new take on Superman, and a chance to make their own continuity. Returns just had too many things that would need to be corrected in a sequel, the kid, James Marsden's lame character, real-estate tycoon Lex, etc.

I think it's just the best option to start fresh. However, leave the origin out and just go right into his career as Supes. But I would love to see a montage at the beginning of newspaper articles (by the Daily Planet perhaps?) that chronicle Clark's ascension into his hero role.

No Doomsday, no Darkseid (Justice Leage film), Brainiac no doubt. He is immensely intelligent, and also a great physical match for Supes. He's got the whole package.
Darekster
Darekster - 9/29/2009, 5:50 PM
I still think "Returns" wasn't that bad. I really want like others have written that they don't ad-lib with Superman's powers so much.
rockingrich1webb
rockingrich1webb - 9/29/2009, 5:59 PM
NO MORE REBOOTS!!! + DOOMSDAY!!! + SOME AWESOME DIRECTOR!!! + BRANDON ROUTH + SOME AWESOME SCRIPT WRITER!!!= a superman movie that would save the franchise (stay away nic cage and tim burton)
SHHH
SHHH - 9/29/2009, 6:01 PM
Hollywood has turned supes into a romantic pussy! Metallo and Brainiac a must for villians
InTylerWeTrust
InTylerWeTrust - 9/29/2009, 6:03 PM
rocking: Swap Doomsday with Brainiac and I'd love to see that movie :)
antz1104
antz1104 - 9/29/2009, 6:08 PM
That Kevin Smith vid a few weeks back was great: had a valid point that Sups doesn't throw any punches in the movie. Dude RAGGED on it for 10 min!
antz1104
antz1104 - 9/29/2009, 6:09 PM
@SHHH Hollywood turned DOOMSDAY into a romantic pussy last season on Smallville. WOW did that suck.
flames809
flames809 - 9/29/2009, 6:23 PM
Tyler- tom welling probably read the script and said no cuz it will suck and if superman had the right director, script, and the actor tom welling since he been playing him for a long time and he had his own way of playing him it will work. BRANDON ROUTH was good but he was like [frick]ing Reeves they were the same and tom could change that and bring the character dark since Hollywood wants to go dark with superman

antz- that was on a TV show with low money and if they change it to the big screen it will be epic
thegreek
thegreek - 9/29/2009, 6:25 PM
@ Howlett And Roch - I have been with you guys on this issue...

Again guys it is simple to continue the story ... Yes kill the kid Have braniac or Mongul kill the kid and then Superman explodes with anger and hence the action starts ... WE can even have Cameo's from other super hero's calm him down after the bashing he gives Braniac or Mongul ... And you can see at the end there is a bigger problem arising Namely someone pushing the peices forward... ( IE Darksied) then we have Doomsday in the next movie thanks to Darksied.. he kills Superman ... then we have superman lives verse the Cyborg superman and then culminate to a Justice League Movie where they fight Darkseid ... or somethign like that it is so simple to continue on...

These idiots can't get anything right ...
thegreek
thegreek - 9/29/2009, 6:36 PM
@ Bladeshad - I just threw my idea out there... But I know what your saying... They can make Superman continuation IE kill the kid and etc... and have Darseid as Supermans last enemy and JL first enemy and then lead up to Doomsay to end it ... But then of course we can get superman lives and etc...
Timerider84
Timerider84 - 9/29/2009, 6:55 PM
Keep Routh, but he needs to work out like Reeves did, he looked so thin, Superman is supposed to be big and strong, not scrawny and strong. They need to make some changes to the suit, and of course a new director and better writers this time. No more making references to Donner's films again, we get it. The right mix of action and drama, with a fight that matches The Incredible Hulk and Abomination. Leave out Lex or give him a small cameo at the end or something. This movie could be great, if done right.
bleedthefreak
bleedthefreak - 9/29/2009, 6:58 PM
so should i pick up every superman film in one giant collection for 30 dollars or just skip over it?
MrDCGuy23
MrDCGuy23 - 9/29/2009, 7:10 PM
All in all... Returns was a good movie. Not great, not what we wanted. Deal with it people.
antz1104
antz1104 - 9/29/2009, 7:17 PM
@ flames: yeah, but the moment he found out he was invincible he should have turned into a full on DEATH MACHINE and shed his human side. Epic letdown.
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