THOR Star Chris Hemsworth On Directors Who've Criticised The MCU: "[They've] Had Films That Didn’t Work Too"

THOR Star Chris Hemsworth On Directors Who've Criticised The MCU: "[They've] Had Films That Didn’t Work Too"

Several well-known filmmakers have taken shots at superhero movies - and the MCU in particular - over the past year or so, and Thor star Chris Hemsworth has now responded...

By MarkCassidy - May 12, 2024 06:05 PM EST
Filed Under: Thor

Over the past couple of years, several major film directors - including the likes of Martin Scorsese, Quentin Tarantino, and Francis Ford Coppola - have shared a negative opinion of comic book movies (more specifically, how the likes of Marvel Studios' output dominates the marketplace), and Thor star Chris Hemsworth has now responded.

The Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga actor was asked how he feels about established filmmakers taking shots at Marvel movies during an interview with The UK Times.

“Those guys had films that didn’t work too — we all have. When they talked about what was wrong with superheroes, I thought, cool, tell that to the billions who watch them. Were they all wrong?”

To be fair, most of the criticisms seemed to stem more from the perception that comic book films (and huge studio blockbusters in general) may ultimately contribute to smaller, independent and art house movies being erased from the cinematic landscape completely, but the overall quality of the movies has also come in for backlash.

Recently, Hemsworth himself admitted that his last outing as the Odinson, Thor: Love and Thunder, didn't fully work, shouldering most of the blame. "I got caught up in the improv and the wackiness, and I became a parody of myself," said the Aussie actor. "I didn’t stick the landing."

Of course, it's easier to defend Marvel Studios when they're on top of their game and putting out quality content, but the MCU has most definitely not been firing on all cylinders of late, with the likes of Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania and The Marvels failing to find their feet at the box office.

Can Deadpool and Wolverine turn things around? 

While speaking to Empire, Marvel's Louis D’Esposito acknowledged that the Marvel Cinematic Universe has been going through a "rough time," but he believes that the Merc With a Mouth and Logan's team-up movie will mark a turning point for the franchise.

“If we just stayed on top, that would have been the worst thing that could have happened to us," said D'Esposito. "We took a little hit, we’re coming back strong. Maybe when you do too much, you dilute yourself a little bit. We’re not going to do that anymore. We learned our lesson. Maybe two to three films a year and one or two shows, as opposed to doing four films and four shows.”

What do you make of Hemsworth's comments? Be sure to share your thoughts down below.

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rychlec
rychlec - 5/12/2024, 6:25 PM
Can Deadpool save the MCU from being too wacky? I don't think this is the movie that will do that. But it should have the 'cool factor' that Love and Thunder was sorely missing. Ultimately, taking the characters and the fictional universe seriously (as much as can be), will save the MCU. We need another 'Winter Soldier".
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 5/13/2024, 2:56 AM
@rychlec - In theory Captain America 4 should be closer to Winter Soldier. But I think you need to to stay true to the characters you are adapting. Thor 4 failed cause that is not Thor.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 5/12/2024, 6:26 PM
Having made bad movies is besides the point. The criticism isn't that Marvel and Feige have had misses. The criticism poses the question of whether they even have anything to say anymore. And the large majority of that line of questioning stems from what Feige has been doing at Marvel.
DarthOmega
DarthOmega - 5/12/2024, 7:10 PM
@McMurdo - "Do they have anything to say anymore?"

That's a great question I asked myself the exact same thing when I saw Yellow Jacket as M.O.D.O.K saying "I'm such a dick" and Thor whistling at Mjolnir, I had to ask the same question.

Guardians 3 was mostly a bright spot. Aside from nostalgia bait, NWH was kinda mid. I sure hope Deadpool has a lot more up his sleeve than more dick jokes.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 5/12/2024, 8:04 PM
@McMurdo - whose critique said this? Directors have been actively shitting on these movies for years. Way before the misses.
The1st
The1st - 5/13/2024, 7:33 AM
@DarthOmega - Still not sure how their M.O.D.O.K made it all the way to that final product without anyone not thinking it was a bad idea.
JonC
JonC - 5/13/2024, 6:31 PM
@McMurdo - there was 'never anything to say' in the first place. its made up fantasy storytelling. if we are talking about having it mimic real life situations that are going on in the world then they have been doing just fine, much to the horror of people that just want action and big muscles. and that mimicking is what Stan Lee wanted Marvel comics to do for a long long time and what set it apart from the competition.

Scorsese and others didn't complain about having nothing to say, they said they essentially were popcorn movies for pure entertainment purposes and were stealing away the revenue that could go to more artsy endeavors.
IronSpider101
IronSpider101 - 5/12/2024, 6:29 PM
It's just the McDonalds aspect of it all.

It's an impressive feat that you can go to any McDonalds in the world and a Big Mac tastes the same. There's a quality control across all of that is a legitimately impressive feat. Even if it falters a little bit from time to time. The fact that they have been able to pump out 16 years or so of mediocre to good movies is a major accomplishment.

But it also means you'll never have anyone go off recipe and do something truly special or get a great meal from it. You'll never get an "Into the Spider-Verse" or a "The Dark Knight" or a "Spider-Man 2" from the MCU. Just like you'll never get a gourmet 5 star meal at McDonalds. But then just don't go to McDonalds and you'll be fine.

The only issue prevalent for many, I think, was that it was starting to feel like those actual good restaurants were being pushed out by the MCUDonalds.

But enough time has passed now that people are seeing real movies in the theatre again. It's just the nature of things.

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McMurdo
McMurdo - 5/12/2024, 6:31 PM
@IronSpider101 - pretty well articulated.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 5/12/2024, 6:40 PM
@IronSpider101 -

"But enough time has passed now that people are seeing real movies in the theatre again."

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CaptainFlapjaks
CaptainFlapjaks - 5/12/2024, 6:50 PM
@IronSpider101 - id argue, for the time it came out, guardians was THAT surprise film that was not their usual kind. But its since lost its flavour because they have tried to replicate that balance of drama and humour constantly but to no avail. Right now, i would say endgame and winter soldier are in that category of spiderman 2 and dark knight. Like, endgame was an event. The theatre experience was unlike any other. And it happened right before covid so its special in that regard. And i think the theatre experience counts for something like this being up there in terms of that discussion. In terms of winter soldier, its not just a good superhero movie, its just a good movie. Period. Its a political thriller in the same way dark knight is a crime thriller.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 5/12/2024, 6:54 PM
@IronSpider101 - Without getting into specifics of what you said think it is oft forgot that there has been a tendancy of codependance between blockbusters and 'art' when it comes to film. In that without the big budget draw to cinemas and profit margins from those then there wouldn't be as much in the way of gourmet film as lets face it even when brilliant tend not in most instance get enough butts in seats to keep the theatre chains open. There is also the point that the money that goes into formulaic blockbusters funds the infrastructure and developments that are then used for your Oppenheimers...

...it is akin to stage work versus film a lot of actors openly state, as in their love is performing on the stage doing Shakespeare and the like but that doesn't pay your rent so they take Hollywood money for roles here and there so they can keep doing what they find artisticaly more rewarding...

...the question is more down to the ballance between your big budgets and your gourmet stuff and if that has becomed too skewed one way or another recently. Wouldn't be the first time it was out of ballance but tends to course correct and swing the other way over time but as the industry in general has struggled to adapt to changing times with streaming and the like....
IronSpider101
IronSpider101 - 5/12/2024, 7:03 PM
@CaptainFlapjaks - I agree about Guardians but not quite about Winter Soldier, though I still do think Winter Soldier is on the higher end of their output. My problem is that Winter Soldier takes too many shortcuts with its narrative. IE the bad guys are just Hydra and just evil, instead of having a perspective clash with Captain America or some kind of evolved philosophy from WWII Hydra like Nick Fury did. But I still think it's a really fun, good movie. But I think it's a superhero movie wearing a political thriller's clothes, rather than being a good political thriller in its own right. TDK is a crime thriller with Batman slapped on, TWS is a Captain America MCU action fest with political thriller tropes slapped on.

Endgame I personally don't like as a movie, but there's no denying that it was an event when it came out, I just don't think it functions well as a movie on its own. It's all fan service, which is great for the fans and I'm happy that they got a satisfying conclusion to that arc that had been building for so many years. It SHOULD be for them. But that's not the type of movie you could show someone who doesn't care about superheroes and go "Okay, but do you recognize the aritstry in this?" the same way you could with TDK, Spider-Verse, or even Black Panther, Guardians and the first Iron Man.

But I 1000% agree about Guardians. I was even just thinking about how visually bland the rest of the MCU is. With like Avengers HQ being a generic looking warehouse in the middle of a generic looking field. Whereas Guardians of the Galaxy has their HQ be a giant floating head in space with canons that come out of its eye sockets. Gunn really whole cloth embraced the comic book weirdness with pure and unabashed sincerity in a way that the rest of the MCU never quite matches. Pretty impressive that he took a group of nobody characters and turned it into what I'd argue is easily the most consistent CBM trilogy of all time, certainly the best MCU one.
IronSpider101
IronSpider101 - 5/12/2024, 7:03 PM
@Apophis71 - I completely agree.
CaptainFlapjaks
CaptainFlapjaks - 5/12/2024, 7:16 PM
@IronSpider101 - fair about winter soldier and endgame. And endgame definitely was all fan service. It does not work on its own as a movie, i agree. I just felt that the theatre experience of it should put it up there in regards to that. Sometimes the memories of the time seeing it can elevate where people put a film on a list. Thats how i feel about return of the king and force awakens too.
TheMetaMan
TheMetaMan - 5/12/2024, 8:52 PM
@IronSpider101 - “You’ll never get an into the spider- verse, dark knight or Spider-Man 2 from the MCU.”
I’m pretty sure winter soldier, endgame, infinity war and wakanda forever are on a par with those films. Although I like your MacDonald’s analogy very clever I have to disagree. You see everyone thinks the MCU is just vanilla compared to what Nolan did with the dark knight or Raimi with Spider-Man or even Fox with Logan, X2, first class, DOFP etc. Yes you are right about MacDonald’s, you can never expect a 5 start meal but you can with the MCU. Even Loki as a tv series, I find thoroughly engrossing and emotionally satisfying. High quality entertainment. The problem is perception. You compare one film or franchise to another instead you should be judging each film or story on its own merits. For me endgame, winter soldier, civil war, no way home, ragnarok, wankanda forever and infinity war are masterpieces and not only that but they are the best of what the superhero genre has to offer. I don’t compare them to
Dark knight etc but they are sure as hell are in the same category. If a film is great, it’s GREAT! Regardless of the brand it falls under. There’s also been times when a Big Mac has tasted as wonderful as a 5 star gourmet burger.
TCronson
TCronson - 5/12/2024, 9:04 PM
@TheMetaMan - Wakanda Forever is not anywhere near The Dark Knight, Spider-verse or Spider-Man 2, like not even close.
TheMetaMan
TheMetaMan - 5/13/2024, 2:32 AM
@TCronson - Ok see here’s the thing. I accept your opinion because everyone else thinks the same thing. That’s fine. Nothing wrong with that. I prefer Wakanda Forever to black panther because it resonates with me on a deeper level. Black Panther is fine as it is but I’m in love with Wakanda Forever. The cinematography, setting, performances, themes, symbolism, action sequences and storytelling I find utterly enthralling. I even cried at the end. Very few movies do that to me. For me to shed a tear means it must hit deep for me. It doesn’t feel like an average superhero movie. No instead it’s a cathartic experience. The whole film is about letting go of the past, mourning the loss of your family and taking responsibility in protecting your kingdom and nation at all costs. Wakanda Forever is a visceral experience for me. It’s the most authentic comicbook movie I’ve ever witnessed as in it feels “REAL”. It doesn’t feel like a joyride or rollercoaster or another Saturday night at the movies, no instead it’s a journey of self discovery and soul searching. That’s my critique of it. I’m sure there are films out there that make you feel exactly the same. In fact share with me, indulge me. What films resonate with you. This is what’s beautiful about the art of film and tv. We all respond and connect with different stories in different ways. Now you understand where I’m coming from.
Superspecialawesomeguy
Superspecialawesomeguy - 5/13/2024, 4:13 AM
@IronSpider101 - User Comment Image
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 5/13/2024, 6:03 AM
@TheMetaMan - “Wakanda Forever is a visceral experience for me.”

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TheMetaMan
TheMetaMan - 5/13/2024, 6:19 AM
@FireandBlood - 👍🏿👊🏿
Origame
Origame - 5/12/2024, 6:31 PM
...ok, but first of all literally none of them are just talking about the movies that didn't work and instead criticized how marvel makes movies in general.

Second, when someone like Scorsese makes a bad movie it doesn't risk the industry. You have to see the distinction, right?
asherman93
asherman93 - 5/12/2024, 6:31 PM
Ironically, I actually thought Love and Thunder was a massive improvement over Ragnarök, and that his humorous characterization in L&T made more sense than in its predecessor.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 5/12/2024, 6:38 PM
@asherman93 - I did like Love & Thunder more then some but still felt it was inferior to Ragnarok…

I do think L & T recontextualized his characterization for me and did make it make more sense though…

The humor became a mask for his pain.
MCUKnight11
MCUKnight11 - 5/12/2024, 6:41 PM
@TheVisionary25 - It's why I prefer it to Dark world and why I'll say it was not that bad.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 5/12/2024, 6:46 PM
@MCUKnight11 - I agree

I didn’t care much for TDW , the highlight of us was the Thor & Loki dynamic.
CaptainFlapjaks
CaptainFlapjaks - 5/12/2024, 7:07 PM
@asherman93 - ragnarok had a real world reason why he changed. Dark world SUUUCCCKKED! He needed a change and hemsworth probably would not have done a third if they stuck to the same formula
TheMetaMan
TheMetaMan - 5/12/2024, 8:58 PM
@asherman93 - It’s refreshing to see someone actually appreciate L&T for once. The movie isn’t nearly as bad as people think. Although I disagree with you when compared to Ragnarok, I do think the movie has redeeming qualities that got overlooked.
asherman93
asherman93 - 5/14/2024, 1:49 AM
@TheVisionary25 - Bingo.

In Ragnarök, his less serious characterization came off as the movie going "this is so silly, so we should have the characters treat this as silly"; what I found especially annoying was the apparent consensus of this film being a "breath of fresh air" compared to the other MCU flicks... even though it took the worst aspects of the MCU up to eleven, and came off as proof that Batman v Superman could've been a lot worse.

Compare Love and Thunder, where the compounded losses he experienced from Ragnarök through Endgame make his antics come off more as, "I have to act silly and keep laughing because if I stop, I'll shut down and won't be able to stop crying", which I [frick]ing love.

Short version:
Thor's antics in Ragnarök come off as backsliding arrogance.
Thor's antics in Love and Thunder come off as a coping mechanism.
grif
grif - 5/12/2024, 6:32 PM
i have enough money now that i can talk shit

BobbyDrake
BobbyDrake - 5/12/2024, 7:12 PM
@grif - congrats
grif
grif - 5/12/2024, 7:20 PM
@BobbyDrake - thanks
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