VENOM Co-Creator Todd McFarlane Reveals What He'd Change About The Movies: "Venom's Not A Good Guy"

VENOM Co-Creator Todd McFarlane Reveals What He'd Change About The Movies: "Venom's Not A Good Guy"

Venom co-creator Todd McFarlane has revealed what he'd change about the movies, admitting that it's not his preference to see the classic Spider-Man villain portrayed heroically. Read on for details...

By JoshWilding - Feb 09, 2025 06:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Venom
Source: CBR

Despite negative reviews, Venom was a hit in 2018. Grossing $856 million at the worldwide box office on a reported $116 million production budget, the movie's success continued when it hit physical media (it's said to have earned $70.7 million in DVD and Blu-ray sales).

Venom: Let There Be Carnage and Venom: The Last Dance weren't quite as successful - earning $501.5 million and $474.5 million, respectively - but Sony Pictures has still made a lot of money from the Lethal Protector.  

Todd McFarlane and David Michelinie co-created the iconic villain who has little in common with Tom Hardy's interpretation of Eddie Brock. Talking to CBR, McFarlane shared his thoughts on how Venom has been translated to screen and his evolution from bad guy to anti-hero.

"Well, I didn't have, I didn't have any input into any other and again, it doesn't bug me, right? Like I understand what the rules are. So they did their movie. They were successful, right?" he started. "Tom Hardy, you know, sort of did a cool thing. I got to meet him for the first time, you know, about a month ago or something."

"And super cool, if you're, if you're asking the basic question, would I have written and directed exactly like they did, of course not, right?"

The comic book creator continued, "I would like but look at as the guy who co-created Venom, and especially the look of them to me, Venom's not a good guy, like in my brain, like they turned Venom into kind of a good guy after I left, Marvel, right? So in my mind, he was a he was a villain, and then he was a villain, and then I left."

"And so it was, it was when I had my back turned that all of a sudden, I was like, What do you talk about? Venom's a good guy. And so I think my tendencies are always to go sort of dark and serious," McFarlane added. 

So, like most fans, there's a lot he would change about the Venom franchise. Chief among them would be taking the Spider-Man villain down a darker, far more adult route. 

"I would have Venom. Would have been an R rated movie if they had said, 'Todd, putting you in charge.' But nobody asked. So that's okay. Yeah, they try to make them very relatable," McFarlane explained. "Again, again. Everybody has a business and they're trying to do the best they can their businesses, and they want to have as broad an audience as possible, right?"

Hardy bid farewell to the Venom franchise with The Last Dance and rumours he'll clash with Spider-Man in the web-slinger's next MCU movie appear to have been incorrect.

While there were rumblings about a Venom 4 revolving around Flash Thompson/Agent Venom, that appears to have been sidelined - along with the rest of Sony's Marvel movies - in the wake of Kraven the Hunter bombing at the box office. Sony is bound to revisit Venom eventually, though.

What would you change about the Venom franchise? 

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ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 2/9/2025, 6:59 AM
I agree with him, but he wields the English language like a chimp with a handful of poop
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/9/2025, 7:24 AM
@ProfessorWhy - Yeh I'd be all up for a dark R rated horror closer to the original.

If it wasn't adapting something folk had preconcieved ideas of however the kind of anti-hero goofier way they went isn't a bad idea (thinking back to how The Mask worked in other words as a fun comedy film) and Tom did a great job with what he was given but even then there was a LOT of room for improvement with the films.

I'd be OK with Hardy being a variant of his character and the left over bit of symbiote going down a closer to source route as COULD be cool seeing the actor play with it in a more villain type way sans the goofy and would thus make more sense if started out doing the typical Venom Spidey suit thing taking Peter down a darker path as things currently stand. Anti-hero on it's own isn't a terrible thing for the symbiote however, just needs to still be way, way darker and far less silly than the Venom movies were at their worst points.
Fogs
Fogs - 2/9/2025, 7:32 AM
@ProfessorWhy - well I'd need to see a video of this interview to judge his english there.
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 2/9/2025, 7:42 AM
@Fogs - I can kind of understand what you are getting at but the transcript of his comments lead me to think he either just can't speak well, or he was speaking from atop a bucking horse while eating a bowl of cereal
Fogs
Fogs - 2/9/2025, 11:51 AM
@ProfessorWhy - hahaha great description
DocSpock
DocSpock - 2/9/2025, 1:14 PM
@ProfessorWhy -

LOL! Perfect description.
StSteven
StSteven - 2/9/2025, 4:04 PM
@ProfessorWhy @Fogs - Actually, I've seen a number of interviews of him and that's how he talks. He has a stammer (and a bit of a lisp as well), which kinda surprised me just because his art and stories tend to be so expressive (and often dark) that I just expected something... different. Don't get me wrong: he is literally my favorite comic artist of all time, even if his stuff can get a little cartoony at times. I just really like the amount of expressiveness and detail. And as someone who has always been something of a visual artist, I actually learned how to draw people by studying his and Jim Lee's Marvel work.

I started following Todd's stuff when he started Spider-Man (I have all the variant covers of "Spider-Man" #1 with the different colored ink) and some of my favorite arcs in that time were the early ones like with Spidey teaming up with Wolvie to hunt down a serial killer up in Canada (which Wendigo was being blamed for) and then the one with Hobgoblin where he brainwashes that little kid and starts turning him into Hobby Jr. I've lost track of how many times I would draw the panel of Wolvie coming out of the wood for the first time and the full body shot of Hobgoblin where you can't see his face, just his eyes under the hood. Great stuff, especially for an aspiring teenage artist.

Anyhow, Todd rocks, speech impediments and all 😊. BTW, in case you guys haven't seen it yet, his toy company is now making 3D versions of some of Marvel's most famous comic covers (I think in 7" and 10"), and guess which one was one of the first ones to come out? The early "Spider-Man" issue that Todd did with Spidey swinging amid all his webbing flying around. Naturally.
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 2/9/2025, 4:15 PM
@StSteven - thanks for this. I have all the early McFarlane marvel books also. I loved his Hulk. Art Adams was big for me also. I take back my jokes now knowing that he has a speech impediment
JacobsLadder
JacobsLadder - 2/9/2025, 4:39 PM
@ProfessorWhy - I finally got the Incredible Hulk #340 two years ago and just love it. What an awesome cover.
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 2/9/2025, 4:44 PM
@JacobsLadder - I had a subscription for Hulk at that time... the issue was late and I was seeing it in the stores, so I bought a copy of the rack. Later that week I got 2 copies of that issue in the mail! So now almost 40 years later I've got 3 of those suckers
StSteven
StSteven - 2/9/2025, 5:03 PM
@ProfessorWhy - Yeah, don't get me wrong, his speech issue isn't that pronounced, but it's like he's trying to figure out what to say while he's saying it, if that makes sense (I may be hyper-sensitive to this sort of thing because my 5 year old daughter is going through a similar phase and we'll be like "Slow down, think about what you want to say first."). Here's a short video of him going on about Sharpies at a comic book signing:

I think that if you were to make a transcription of that video it would look something like the transcription above.
Fogs
Fogs - 2/9/2025, 6:06 PM
@StSteven - Ha, we're together in this. Loved his art too, and I was also an avid collector of everything McFarlane back then. I also love this SM-WV story. His drawings and anatomy were great, even with all his rule-bending for spidey. I actually preferred him over Lee, whose art I also liked a lot.
StSteven
StSteven - 2/9/2025, 6:28 PM
@Fogs - Yeah, I definitely preferred Todd over Jim, if for no other reason than Jim tends to use the same style for most of his characters (i.e. facial features, shading, etc.), even if Todd's proportions can get a bit out of whack. In addition to Todd's Marvel stuff, I also collected the first year or so of Spawn (I think I have like a half dozen copies of #1, most still sealed in their baggies), and I really love the art in those as well. His style of drawing characters is very dynamic and atmospheric, in addition to being expressive (even if sometimes overly so, but hey, it's a comic book not a courtroom sketch).
DrDReturns
DrDReturns - 2/9/2025, 11:59 PM
@StSteven - Such a great little interview. Clearly enjoys the work he does. And, boy, is his work influential.

Kid at heart and considerate of fans.
StSteven
StSteven - 2/10/2025, 1:29 AM
@DrDReturns - Absolutely. And the fact that he declared bankruptcy back in 2004 and then has since come back to be where he is now, especially with Macfarlane Toys, is really impressive. I mean, who wouldn't want to be a comic artist/creator AND toy creator?

And I've heard reports that he's pretty arrogant, but everything that I've seen in interviews and such suggest otherwise and that he's just, like you said, a kid at heart and really enjoys what he does and his fans and gets REALLY excited whenever he gets to interact with them (hence why he tends to stumble over his words sometimes). FWIW, there are plenty more interviews, podcasts, etc. with him like the one that I shared out on YouTube if you're interested.
DrDReturns
DrDReturns - 2/10/2025, 1:44 AM
@StSteven - Well said. He's impressive within the industry and for whatever reason there is a subsect of fans that don't respect him. Obviously everyone is entitled to their feelings and he is not required to have said respect. However, for what I can only assume is because of his enthusiasm for his creations and the industry, he is seen as controlling and/or arrogant.

Appreciate the reminder. I've seen a handful of more recent videos/interviews (where he corrects the movie Venom design *wink* and where he talks his Kickstarter figures) and he's been nothing more than excited, engaging and conscientious of fans.
Fogs
Fogs - 2/10/2025, 6:24 AM
@StSteven - Good times. To me McFarlane's art was very reminiscing of Eisner's.

Check these examples
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Fogs
Fogs - 2/10/2025, 6:30 AM
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StSteven
StSteven - 2/10/2025, 3:01 PM
@DrDReturns - Totally and I can't understand why anyone wouldn't at least respect him. Sure if his art style isn't for you, that's fine, but as a self-made businessman, that alone to me deserves a lot of respect. I mean, look at how expansive his toy business has become, now currently having the exclusive license for DC (I believe) AND a portion of the Marvel licensing (for 7" and 10" figures I believe) and now for a subset of Hasbro as well (he has a line called "Page Punchers" which includes a small 3" or so figure and a comic which in addition to DC he also does for Transformers and I believe GI Joe). No to mention that he has made 1 movie out of Spawn and is working on the reboot, which if I recall he's at least partially funding himself (as well as writing and directing with Jamie Foxx still attached to star in, as far as I know).

Plus, even if he does com across as controlling/arrogant, he kinda deserves to be a bit AND as far as I know, he has yet to go out on social media complaining that his name wasn't splashed across the opening credits in the 3 Venom movies as a "Created by" credit or for not being invited to the movies' premier after parties (and based on his interview above I don't think he ever will).
StSteven
StSteven - 2/10/2025, 5:01 PM
@Fogs - Thanks for sharing that. I had never actually seen Eisner's work (and known that it was Eisner at the time), but now that I look at it I can totally see the influence that it likely had on MacFarlane, particularly with the level of detail and the expressiveness.

If I had had the balls to try to make it as a professional visual artist, I'm sure you would have seen Todd's influence (and I guess Eisner's by extension) in my work, but sadly, that train has sailed. Oh, well, I still have a collection of my songs (10 albums worth and working on #11), poetry, and art that I'll publish one day. Or maybe my kids will (my oldest daughter who just turned 9 is already one hell of an artist and definitely better than I was at her age), so you never know. Anyhow, thanks again for sharing that. Cheers! 🍻
Fogs
Fogs - 2/10/2025, 5:32 PM
@StSteven - same thing.... I remember working at my dads accounting office at the time and when I was idle I was always drawing. I'm pretty good to this day and McFarlane was definitely an inspiration. So nice to read such a similar story.

Cheers.
Fogs
Fogs - 2/10/2025, 5:33 PM
Plus I have a 13yo daughter who also rocks at drawing!
StSteven
StSteven - 2/10/2025, 10:51 PM
@Fogs - Ha! It's always nice to see when it runs in the family. I'm also a musician (mainly guitar but also bass, drums, and piano), and I'm currently teaching my oldest piano, but it's hard to keep her focused with all the other online distractions so I've set aside a half hour on Sundays for piano practice (I have a pretty nice full-size Yamaha keyboard that I use). I started taking guitar lessons when I was 6 (my mom's idea - she thought it would help me get girls) for half an hour a week and I did that for 12 years, so I figure if I can do it, so can my daughter (although, granted, I didn't have YouTube back then 😳).

Maybe if I each her how to play Taylor Swift songs she'll have more interest 😉.
Vigor
Vigor - 2/9/2025, 7:53 AM
Always agreed with him. Sonys venom is "not-my-venom"
He is a villain and should only cross over to antihero territory when Carnage is involved
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 2/9/2025, 8:16 AM
@Vigor - but there’s entire comics where he is an anti-hero , that’s an undeniable fact so I think it’s valid for Sony & the filmmakers to have him be an anti-hero even if it may not appeal to everyone

Look , I didn’t like the 2 out of 3 Venom films I have seen (haven’t seen The Last Dance) but people on here love throwing around the term “comic accurate” so him being an anti-hero is part of that so why not have creatives be influenced by that rather then just him being a villain?.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 2/9/2025, 9:18 AM
@Vigor - venom could be a protagonist, but that would have to be waaay after all of his iconic storylines are told. You're right and so is he. The general audience doesn't give a [frick] about good guy Venom
Vigor
Vigor - 2/9/2025, 9:37 AM
@TheVisionary25 - what @bobevanz said

Venom jumping right to anti hero feels wholly unearned when we didnt get to see his villainous spiderman origins yet
Venom is meant to be scary. Scary because spiderman is terrified of him and it nullifies spidermans spider sense. Youre taking away a major draw of Venom when you do what Sony did. My opninion
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 2/9/2025, 9:54 AM
@Vigor - that’s certainly fair…

Everyone has their preferences and such but I think it would either be earned or not if they had even gone the villain route in the first place

Since they started with him as an anti hero , I don’t think that whole thing was even an issue but I do get your point.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/9/2025, 5:02 PM
@TheVisionary25 - Yeh I kinda looked at the Sony Venom movies the same way I looked at the Amazon/Netflix Lucifer series. Neither are anything like the original characters created that were both a lot darker but in a standalone otherverse story starting at a point of being more the good guy than bad is fine. Doesn't mean I wouldn't want the original version which could evolved towards a similar point in time but...
DrDReturns
DrDReturns - 2/10/2025, 12:02 AM
@Vigor - There it is. Summed it up nicely.
MisterDoctor217
MisterDoctor217 - 2/9/2025, 8:03 AM
Yeah I agree. I enjoyed the movies for the most part , except this last one got a bit boring in some parts and WAAAAY too goofy.


They should have taken the horror aspects of the character more seriously and given Eddie Brock his original background.

Obviously it needed Spider-Man so Eddies hatred towards him could be explored.
But it is what is is.

Can’t believe the closest we have to an accurate live action Venom is Sam Raimi’s even tho it was badly cast and designed lol
But I like it better than Tom Hardy’s tho.
WEAPONXOXOXO
WEAPONXOXOXO - 2/9/2025, 8:08 AM
Is he on bath salts?
WEAPONXOXOXO
WEAPONXOXOXO - 2/9/2025, 8:12 AM
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OptimusCrime
OptimusCrime - 2/9/2025, 8:18 AM
Thing i love about Venom is that he looks like a Monster, but is there to help innocent people.

He isnt a "Good guy" but he is a good guy.
CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 2/9/2025, 12:57 PM
@OptimusCrime - Hes not though.
OptimusCrime
OptimusCrime - 2/9/2025, 1:29 PM
@CreateNowSlpL8r - he is. When innocent people need help, he is there
CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 2/9/2025, 1:35 PM
@OptimusCrime - Read my post below. What Todd is saying, is other writers polluted a character flaw "to make him good."
bobevanz
bobevanz - 2/9/2025, 9:20 AM
[frick] those movies. [frick] Morbius, [frick] Madame Web, and most of all [frick] Kraven. BAD PEOPLE CAN BE BAD. There are plenty of them in the comments lol
MakeAmericaGrea
MakeAmericaGrea - 2/9/2025, 2:58 PM
@bobevanz -

Yeah, people are maliciously attacked by your conceited comrades every month.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 2/9/2025, 9:43 AM
Honestly , I have no issue with Venom being a villain or an anti-hero since both are valid takes on the character imo…

However what I would have changed are the movies themselves and if they wanted to lean more into the goofiness of the character which is there and the buddy movie/Odd Couple dynamic of Venom & Eddie then do so via better humor aswell as a stronger narrative and characters (which is subjective but still).

Anyway it is what it is , that series has its fans but it’s over now so onto the next which hopefully is better or atleast more appealing to me!!.
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