AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY And SECRET WARS Rumor Sheds Light On How Doctor Doom Will Become The MCU's New Big Bad

AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY And SECRET WARS Rumor Sheds Light On How Doctor Doom Will Become The MCU's New Big Bad

New Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars details have surfaced which shed new light on how Marvel Studios plans to introduce Doctor Doom...and potentially deal with its major Kang problem!

By JoshWilding - Sep 07, 2024 04:09 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Doomsday

Marvel Studios' original plan was for Kang the Conqueror to be the Multiverse Saga's big bad. However, in place of a Multiversal War pitting his Variants against each other (leaving The Avengers caught in the middle), we're getting Robert Downey Jr. as Doctor Doom.

As a result, Avengers: The Kang Dynasty has become Avengers: Doomsday and that's left fans with a lot of questions. Chief among them is how Marvel Studios will so quickly establish a Victor Von Doom Variant as the MCU's new Thanos when he'll likely only appear in The Fantastic Four: First Steps' post-credits scene before Doomsday and Secret Wars roll around. 

According to The Cosmic Circus' Alex Perez, "[If] they go for what they want for Doom in this movie, they’d have a fantastic explanation that not only sets him up perfectly for when we see him in Doomsday but also places him in a position where he can easily become one of the most justifiable antagonists in Marvel, maybe even more so than Thanos."

He added, "If you really want to know why in Latveria the flowers die in the Summer, then you’d already know where to look."

That appears to be a reference to New Avengers #33, a comic which sees Doom tasked with saving the Multiverse from The Beyonders. He spends years killing Molecule Man's Variants but is ultimately still unable to stop the final Incusion from taking place. 

Needless to say, we'd imagine this will be how Marvel Studios deals with its Kang problem. 

We always expected The Beyonder/Beyonders to be an even bigger threat than Kang, though the expectation was that the villain would be another Variant of the time-traveller. Those plans are now a little less certain but we're definitely intrigued. 

"You’re the best damn fans in the world, and we’ve missed you," the Russo Brothers said after announcing their MCU return as the directors of Doomsday and Secret Wars. "When we made Avengers: Endgame we truly believed that it was the end of the road for us in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.  We had put all the passion, love and imagination that we had into the Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War, and then culminated it all with Endgame."

"All within a few years. We had spent everything we had creatively, and we left all our emotions on the floor.  But in the time since, we began to feel that there was perhaps one story where we could find a new narrative path forward. It’s the reason we fell in love with comic books in the first place. That story is Secret Wars."

We cannot express how excited we are to dive back into this world, and explore such a deliciously complex character like Victor Von Doom," the filmmakers concluded. "And there is no better friend or collaborator to do that with, [than] THE great [Robert Downey Jr.]."

Avengers: Doomsday is set to be released in theaters in May 2026, with Avengers: Secret Wars following the next year. 

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Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 9/7/2024, 4:24 AM
i hope rdj is a misdirection
SethBullock
SethBullock - 9/7/2024, 4:45 AM
@Superheromoviefan - My only hope would be that RDJ returns as Iron Man, maybe a variant from another universe, but after a while it's revealed that he is actually Doom disguised as Tony Stark to infiltrate The Avengers for some reason, and Doom is not a Tony Stark variant and is not played by RDJ but by someone else.

That way RDJ would be playing Doom disguised as Tony Stark for a while until Doom shows his true self being played by someone else.

Similar to the first Fantastic Beasts movie where Colin Farrel played a villain until his true identity was revealed and then was played by Johnny Depp (I have not seen this movie yet, but I know what happened with this character).

That way, the Russos, Feige and RDJ wouldn't be lying when they say that RDJ will be playing the real Doom and not a variant, because he would be playing the real Doom disguised as a Tony Stark variant, until his real identity is revealed and Doom is played by someone else like Cillian Murphy or anyone else, idk.

This would be great imo, but it's probably not what is going to happen, lol.
Timerider
Timerider - 9/7/2024, 8:46 AM
@SethBullock - that is correct
McMurdo
McMurdo - 9/7/2024, 4:53 PM
@SethBullock - This is the dumbest idea I've heard yet. RDJ is playing Victor Doom. Not a dude wearing an RDJ skin suit.
SethBullock
SethBullock - 9/9/2024, 10:05 PM
@McMurdo - Wrong, the dumbest idea was casting the guy that played Iron Man to play Dr Doom now, specially if it's as a Tony Stark variant, which is what we are going to get because Marvel is not going to pay so much money to RDJ to keep his face hidden all the time pretending to be someone completely different to Tony Stark.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 9/7/2024, 4:31 AM
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TheOtherOn
TheOtherOn - 9/7/2024, 5:20 AM
No explanation needed as a very wise person once said...

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TrentCrimm
TrentCrimm - 9/7/2024, 7:03 AM
@TheOtherOn -

Or in Robert Downey Jrs case you just do both.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 9/7/2024, 12:14 PM
@TheOtherOn -

Yeah, that's what they keep saying about me.
S8R8M
S8R8M - 9/7/2024, 5:54 AM
I wish they cast Christoph Waltz.
DarthOmega
DarthOmega - 9/7/2024, 9:54 AM
@S8R8M - Damn. I never even thought of him. That'd be perfect
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 9/7/2024, 6:04 AM
Everything Alex Perez just said got me hyped AF.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 9/7/2024, 8:49 AM
Instead of Doom killimg Molecule Men and Beyonders, I'm guessing he'll be killing Kangs instead. The final Kang could be a variant that has become the Beyonder and Doom kills him with a Wandabomb instead of a Molecule Man-bomb
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/7/2024, 9:22 AM
@bkmeijer1 - Wandabomb is a great wrestling move lol

You are probably right too in regards that he’ll likely wipe out the Council of Kang’s which is how we resolve that thread.
Deklipz
Deklipz - 9/7/2024, 12:12 PM
@bkmeijer1 - I’m guessing we’ll see him laying waste to the Council of Kangs or walking through the bodies as either a first scene or close to it.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 9/7/2024, 1:50 PM
@Deklipz - that would be a pretty cool cold open. Kinda like Thanos walking amongst the dead Asgardians
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 9/7/2024, 9:13 AM
Just hope they don’t kill him off by the end.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 9/7/2024, 12:13 PM
@JustAWaffle -

No way that happens.

JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 9/7/2024, 4:14 PM
@DocSpock - Well, they do have a track record.
Matchesz
Matchesz - 9/7/2024, 9:37 AM
I just wish they casted an actual european actor as Victor Von Doom. I never bought RDJ as sherlock holmes
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 9/7/2024, 10:38 AM
@Matchesz - I did. He’s British right?
dragon316
dragon316 - 9/7/2024, 10:52 AM
@Matchesz - Black widow is born Soviet Union she have no accent in movies
JFerguson
JFerguson - 9/7/2024, 11:09 AM
@dragon316 - simple answer to that. Scarlett Johansson was never a good enough actress to try a Russian accent
Matchesz
Matchesz - 9/7/2024, 2:49 PM
@JFerguson - lol this. i would have preferred Emily Blunt to ScarJo, she oozes the role
NonPlayerC
NonPlayerC - 9/7/2024, 8:38 PM
@dragon316 - which if I remember correctly was a hotly debated topic on this site at the time of initial release. I’m sure most would prefer a character to have the correct accent, at least I do.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/7/2024, 11:06 AM
Honestly , I’m still more bummed about them pivoting from Kang and the council moreso then RDJ being this version of Doom for the next 2 films..

It just felt like a very reactionary move from Marvel which was unlike them , plus I guess I was perhaps the only one who was enjoying and was interested in all that stuff but oh well.

People just have no patience anymore , the buildup for Thanos & the Infinity Stones was kinda scattershot too but came together satisfyingly so perhaps it might have been the same here.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 9/7/2024, 11:49 AM
@TheVisionary25 -
Kang is messy and was never my favorite baddie. Glad they moved away from him.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/7/2024, 12:47 PM
@Goldboink - I get yah since even his comic history is messy and convoluted but it could have worked

Plus while he may not be your favorite doesn’t mean he wasn’t others.
RitoRevolto
RitoRevolto - 9/7/2024, 12:54 PM
Trash trash trash. No build up to Doom is crazy, and that's their own fault.

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