Kevin Feige Reveals That Earth-616's Mightiest Heroes Will Visit [SPOILER] In AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY

@AllsNotGood - ikr, lets hope this also includes the OG Avengers somehow.

@Vigor - Yup, said this way back at the end of phase four, they let things all have their own tones and styles and not be connected for a reason. By the time of phase 3 the increasing complaint was over reliance on a formula and all too similar in tone so they allowed during a reset period to experiment with differing structures and tones. Some of it worked, some of it didn't which is what occurs when experimenting.

I DO think they needed a phase capper that felt like one more, or at least a label indicative of such (as in an Avengers film even if not one set up during the phase, only inc some of the characters from it).

Other than that even if not everything clicked fully for me I respected them taking risks, the bigger problem was too much content with the push from the suits, less so which IP's they went with all of which could have been great if more time given to fine tune the script and without the complications of COVID and the strikes but is what it is.

@Vigor - experimentation is good. But when the source of experiment are bad, unfinished and adhoc scripts and creatives just hired for being yes men, it wont be good at all imo

@Martianhunter - I was specificaly talking about phase four directly after Endgame and FFH where there was far more differences in structure and in tone between projects be they films or shows compared to any other phase of the MCU and little interconnections between them which to me said they intentionaly moved away from pushing a formulaic approach and allowed the creative teams to try different things.

Anyone who watched WandaVision, Eternals or Loki and didn't think they were completely different structuraly to anything and everything that came before I don't know what to say to them in all honesty. If they all worked is another matter but part the reason things were more hit and miss with reception during phase four was they differed so much from each other and less connectivity, quality issues aside.

As such it felt to me very much a time of experimentation prior to a phase five intended to be where they started pulling everything back to being more connected setting up for phase 6 and Doomsday/Secret Wars...

...but yes, I stated the problem was TOO MUCH content, with which comes too many characters to juggle with and make work.

Killing characters for stakes and staying dead, yeh, that can wear out fast and can be the lazy method to build suspense that isn't realy needed most the time and isn't auto undone if they return one way or another (how many times has James Bond Died exactly, or Ethan Hunt for that matter?).

I am not against characters being killed when impactfull, just isn't the be all and end all some think it is and if done too oft becomes just as predictable as everyone making it out alive and folk can become numb to it.

@Martianhunter - Killing off useless characters tends to be the opposite of impactfull most times they do it and as I say if it became a norm we would be numb to it like, going back to Bond, we tended to be with the many times they killed a women he'd slept with. After a while it almost became a meme that if he bedded someone they were done for :D

Needing death to give gravitas is oft a sign of lazy writing, ample ways to do so without any major characters dying and no reason to not go with introducing a new one and make you care about them during the course off a film prior to their death like with Rockets friends in GotG3 when such things are considered essential.

It is perfectly OK to simply sideline for extended periods any character, like The Leader, there is no need to kill them but if narratively it is felt needed, fine, but do so sparingly else you'll turn away too many families taking young kids from them.

As to bringing anyone back, again if done so sparingly that also isn't a problem as you still felt the impact when they died but then experiance the elation when eventualy they return such as the portal scene in Endgame.

@Apophis71 - But MCU is 40 movies in, they can start with killing now. So far they have only shown fake one's. Loki died 3-4 times and is back, fury is dead and back, vision is dead and back. Half of the population is dead and back. We had iron man death but who knows with RDJ casting so only widow remain dead

@Martianhunter - and? We just had frickin Aunt May killed, there are more impactfull deaths that stuck and may still stick than the few you mentioned such as Quicksilver and almost all off Quill's Ravager crew and his Dad's.

@Martianhunter - No Uncle Ben didn't but that was cos they did it twice already in the two prior versions thus skipped the starting point of his origin third time around so they did his Aunt instead this time when we least expected it when killing MJ or Happy was kinda the expected ones.

Coulson may have come back in a TV show but the impact of his death in the first Avengers film remained as nobody bar Fury, Sif and Maria Hill knew he was brought back to life. Then obviously we had Quicksilver killed in Age of Ultron.

Thor his Mum was killed in his second film then his Dad and almost all his supporting cast in his third film, half his remaining race killed permanantly in Infinity War and you focused on the one Trickster God who kept coming back when that is what the Trickster God does and HIS Loki is STILL dead and his real death still had impact. It doesn't realy matter that a temporal Variant came back ultimately for a TV show and he may end up dead too yet.

Bucky falling to his death in the first Cap film had impact, it wasn't negated by his return as the Winter Soldier any more so than it did in the comics after about forty years being a perma death but killing him a second time would have less impact than the first time, dumb move to go with so they included Peggy Carter's death in Civil War instead.

The point being there have been impactfull deaths in more MCU movies and shows than you seem to realise, WV showed the Scarlet Witch reliving the death of her parents for instance and the impact of THE Vision dying twice which will continue to impact her even when White Vision returns and they also had an incredibly emotional death for Monica Rambeau with her mothers death in the series.

As to killing MJ, did you REALY think they would go there when the last version had Gwen die, in many ways loosing MJ by way of a spell had more emotional impact on the character than her dying too as harder to move on from and she need not ever return to the franchise in any meaningfull way and was in addition to the death of Aunt may thus left with no happy ending at all.

We had the entirity of BP 2 revolving around the aftermath of the Death of T'Challa then also had the Queen killed, and that was after we had the King and prior BP killed in Civil War, heck they even made the death of Killmonger impactfull in the first BP.

We had the self sacrifice of the Muslim Dude in the caves death in the first Iron Man too so from the start they HAVE used death to give gravitas, just like the comics it is done sparingly and tends not to be the lead characters and even when it is they can and oft do return.

So the question is maybe more, why do you want comic book movies LESS like the comic books?

All in all I'd peg it at least half of all MCU movies have at least one impactfull death in them even if when you discount those cases when they return like a Variant Gamora it reduces down to about a third of them so how much death exactly do you want?

If characters no longer have a use, don't use them, as bringing them back just to kill them is kinda meh without a strong narrative but may get some of that in Doomsday and Secret Wars anyway.

@ModHaterSLADE - She-Hulk in an FF costume would be dope. It'd be sweet to see Luke Cage there too. Maybe Crystal and Medusa from the Inhumans... oh man I've gotta stop, I'm getting a rock-covered Thing.