What 'Threat' is Nick Fury Assembling The Avengers For?

What 'Threat' is Nick Fury Assembling The Avengers For?

Can we use the current Marvel movie timeline to accurately narrow down the villain the Avengers will face when their ensemble film hits theaters in 2012?

Editorial Opinion
By multipurposeponi - May 27, 2010 02:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers



The Avengers movie is still seven months away from beginning production, but that hasn't stopped the constant flow of news and rumors from hitting the web. At this point, the most important question that fans have been pondering over is which villain, or villains, will face the superhero team in their first film. The largest problem with using The Avengers comic books as a reference for this deduction is that these films follow their own time line. It's a hard concept for many fans to grasp, but these films will inevitably not coincide directly with comic book canon. They are their own respective entity.

So where do the answers lie if not in the comics? In the films, of course. With three Marvel Studios projects already released, and two more being worked on right now, there will be more than enough clues to use for this equation. As a matter of fact, using solely Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man 2, along with the established Marvel movie timeline, we can reasonably narrow down the plausibility of which villains would make the most sense.

First, let's look at the chronology of events (that we know of) for these films:

Iron Man - CONFIRMED - Takes place first in modern movie continuity. The introduction of S.H.I.E.L.D. and its director Nick Fury. Most importantly, the knowledge that the Avengers Initiative is already under way.

Iron Man 2 - CONFIRMED - Begins six months after the first film ended. Audiences are shown that S.H.I.E.L.D. has been dealing with nationwide issues ('Southwest sector' scene) and is still actively seeking candidates for the Avengers Initiative. The final 10 minutes of the film coincide with the events of...

The Incredible Hulk - CONFIRMED - Majority of the film takes place after the events of Iron Man 2. Film ends with further exploration of the Avengers Initiative.

Thor - UNCONFIRMED - Film appears to overlap the events of The Incredible Hulk and, to a certain degree, Iron Man 2.

Captain America: The First Avenger - CONFIRMED - The film with have modern movie continuity "bookends." UNCONFIRMED - End of the film will lead directly in The Avengers movie.

What this time line enables us to understand is that the 'threat' Nick Fury and S.H.I.E.L.D. are facing was already in existence prior to the events of the first Iron Man film.



Now, let's look at the villains that have been, or undoubtedly will be, introduced in these films and could possibly be used as antagonists in The Avengers:



The Mandarin and his Ten Rings terrorist cells: Have been a part of modern movie continuity since Iron Man. The Mandarin has yet to be revealed. The Ten Rings are already known to be on S.H.I.E.L.D.'s radar, with active engagements by their agents happening throughout the movie time line.




Abomination: Faced off and defeated by the Hulk in The Incredible Hulk. Assumed to be in S.H.I.E.L.D. custody. No knowledge whether he has reverted back to his human form.




Samuel Sterns/The Leader: Introduced towards the end of The Incredible Hulk. Audiences witnessed the beginning of his transformation into a gamma powered being. Location and actions after the film ends are unknown.




Loki: Will appear as the central villain in the Thor movie due out next year. According to comic book canon, his temporary control over the Hulk caused the formation of The Avengers. This point of reference is debatable for the films since the Avengers Initiative began before Loki posed a threat to Earth.




Red Skull: Already disclosed to be Captain America's foe during the WWII time frame of his solo film. A drawing in Tony Stark's father's journal shown during Iron Man 2 may hint at the Cosmic Cube; a weapon of mass destruction the Red Skull has been known to wield in comic book canon.




Hulk: Has yet to be used as a 'villain' in any film, but is already considered an active threat to national well-being. Loki's control over the Hulk in comic canon caused the formation of The Avengers. Again, this point of reference is debatable for the films since the Avengers Initiative began before Loki posed a threat to Earth.




Skrulls: Never referenced in the films released to date; though Marvel President Kevin Feige has stated that, not only does the studio own the rights to the shape changing aliens, but would like to use them in their films. In comic book canon, the Skrulls had many sleeper agents disguised as an amalgam of characters for years before an actual invasion force was set into play. In the Ultimates Marvel stories, similar aliens were the cause of the formation of the Avengers, and not the Loki/Hulk combination.


Knowing that these films have not, and will not, precisely follow any comic book storyline, the best question to ask is: Which villain would be both beneficial for The Avengers plot and coincide with the information that has already been given?

One thing is certain, though; many more pieces to The Avengers movie puzzle will be revealed once Thor and Captain America hit theaters in the summer of 2011. Until then, however, let's put our deductive reasoning to the test with the facts we have at hand.





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IndianFan
IndianFan - 5/27/2010, 3:14 AM
Dear Poni,

Please do post a separate write up about the contents of Howard Stark's chest.

I strongly feel that whatever threat SHIELD is preparing to confront has it's origins in the 1930s / WW-II era.

The threat is not recent. So, I would definitely vote Red Skull

Rahul
darthstern
darthstern - 5/27/2010, 3:18 AM

nice article poni, but has anyone thought of this, how about asguard as the "villans" sort of like a seige spin off, could happen. what if loki conned odin into thinking that midguard was imposing on asguards realm and with thor being banished in the time line of his movie does not fall prey to loki's spell and fights with the mortals to overcome asguard. hey you never know
FrankGarret
FrankGarret - 5/27/2010, 3:19 AM
Colse, but no cigar.

The answer is Batman 3.
DLM
DLM - 5/27/2010, 3:19 AM
Like i've said before, i believe that it'll be the Skrulls, as i think they'll be involved in the Cap movie aswell. They'll be the ones pulling the strings behind the Nazis, much like the Chitari at the begining of the Ult Avengers animated movie. Fury/Shield have learned of them having sleeper Agents and are planning an Invasion, so thats why he's Assembling the Avengers, to fight off said invasion.
contrast
contrast - 5/27/2010, 3:26 AM
Though I like the idea of The Leader or The Abomination as the movie's villains, and I think it's entirely plausable, I don't understand how you deduced those using the timeline. Both of those characters were introduced in The Incredible Hulk, which takes place after the first Iron Man, meaning that the villains' creation is chronologically after S.H.I.E.L.D. has started putting together a team.

As I said, I think they'd make great villains for an Avengers movie (in fact, Sterns works into an Avengers fan fic movie script I'm working on...) but I don't see how you narrowed it down but kept them on the list if you're only going by the timeline...

Otherwise, great stuff!
NERO
NERO - 5/27/2010, 3:33 AM
This is classic, from itsjustsomerandomguy:
darthstern
darthstern - 5/27/2010, 3:33 AM
we shall see poniman we shall see..... muhahahahaha
and not to be a ninni but the whole skrulls thing is "random speculation" there is no basis in fact or have they been refrenced in any movie thus far. so for that mater my theory holds more water then yours so nanny nanny poo poo
Optimus1983
Optimus1983 - 5/27/2010, 3:33 AM
Nice read, I find whatever way they go I know will be a story with familiar faces and not to far of from the comics(I hope)while trying to please us as much as they can.
TheSecondAvenger
TheSecondAvenger - 5/27/2010, 3:35 AM
You forgot to mention that Tom Hiddleston (AKA Loki) has already been cast in The Avengers so he will be in it!
darthstern
darthstern - 5/27/2010, 3:38 AM
dam foiled again
contrast
contrast - 5/27/2010, 3:40 AM
@Multi-- I did read the article, otherwise I wouldn't have known anything about the whole timeline thing...but I guess I missed the other part on my first go-around. There I go, connecting dots that aren't there again.

Personally, I'd like to see the Avengers go up against a movie version of The Masters of Evil, which would mainly be made up of previously introduced villains, with Sam Sterns as the groups leader (thus giving him his "super villain name" without actually giving him the name, which the Marvel movies seem to be quite fond of) and a few new minor villains to fill out the ranks.
NERO
NERO - 5/27/2010, 3:54 AM
I hold with the ever neutral opinion that it will end up being someone we haven't thought of... because I'm a pussy and I don't want people to laugh at me.
IronClad
IronClad - 5/27/2010, 3:59 AM
IMO, The Skrulls are incredibly stupid looking.
prinzjoker
prinzjoker - 5/27/2010, 4:01 AM
it will be cool if it was the hulk and the Skrulls. The Skrulls could be in the middle of the movie. Then at the end could be fight hulk and then more powerful skrulls could come thus leading Hulk to help out.
IndianFan
IndianFan - 5/27/2010, 4:04 AM
Poni, Ref. Howard Stark's chest - did you say "Antartica"?

The obvious reaction would be - Cap..!!!

...but no. In the deleted Hulk opening scene, the frozen body is in the Arctic right?

So, why Antartica ?
NERO
NERO - 5/27/2010, 4:05 AM
But seriously, if I had to go off those above; Mandarin they'll save for IM3 since it releases after Avengers, I don't think we'll have him as the baddie, though a cameo reveal is not out of the question.

The Leader: They'll save for a Hulk sequel when and if it happens.

Abomination: I think in the big scheme of things we won't be seeing him again.

Loki: Makes sense that we could see him in the Avengers, he is the god of mischief and seems like his near limitless mind[frick]itude could be useful to any and all bent on wanton mass destruction.

Red Skull: I'm thinking apparent death at the end of Cap with a reveal in later installments.

Hulk: I would almost demand the Avengers have to take down a rampaging Hulk in at least one scene of the film... Whether controlled by Loki or not depends on how close they stay to cannon.

Skrulls: If there is even a hint of aliens in Cap's Nazi Germany I'd lay money that they're gonna be your Avengers baddies. So they get my most whole hearted and pussified "maybe."
NERO
NERO - 5/27/2010, 4:08 AM
IronClad@: I doubt the Skrulls would look anything like they do in the comics, I think they'd probably get the same treatment Abomination did in IHulk.
mwkcope
mwkcope - 5/27/2010, 4:16 AM
Can anyone handle just a normal terrorist group?
NERO
NERO - 5/27/2010, 4:19 AM
@Poni: I'm thinking of going into politics. Vote Nero in 2020, I'll be on the Republidemacatarian Independentalist Teapartian ticket. My slogan will simply be "SURE".

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See ya at the poles, hopefully at least seven times that day. ;D
contrast
contrast - 5/27/2010, 4:20 AM
@mwkcope-- Well, I'd imagine plenty of people can... but why would we want the Avengers to go up against average, every-day, run'o'the-mill terrorists, when they could be fighting the likes of...well, any of the above choices..?
1chris2
1chris2 - 5/27/2010, 4:21 AM
well since hulk 2 is not being made thet need to finish doing leader,abomination,and some more hulk/banner. is say use them and have leader also build ultron,and loki create absorbingman. in the sequel use winter soldier,and the skrull.
contrast
contrast - 5/27/2010, 4:29 AM
@1chris2-- I absolutely hate the idea of The Leader building Ultron, because it takes a way a (and I'm just doing this for my own amusement, so bare with me...)

Huge

bit of Hank Pym's character development. Pym went from being this brilliant scientist who could do no wrong, to the guy who built one of the world's biggest threats, and he has to mentally deal with that every day. That's what causes his mental breakdowns, and basically ruins his life.
ROMACK
ROMACK - 5/27/2010, 4:32 AM
Great Article Poni! I think I am going to go with A Marvel Movieverse Masters of Evil formed by all or some of the villians we have seen thus far. We may also see the Mandarin revealed to be a member of the MOE.

Now follow me. If SHEILD is amassing a TEAM of superpowered beings, it is safe to say that some one else is doing the same. i.e. Red Skull, Mandarin or Loki. Meaning that possible pawns for them may be Abomination, The Leader, Whiplash even. (If Stark survived the crash of the Mark I Armor, Vanko could have escaped his death in IM2 as well. Horribly scarred of course.) Not to mention Justin Hammer is definetly somebodies pawn whether He knows it or not.


So I say MASTERS OF EVIL.....

-Red Skull
-Mandarin
-Loki
-The Leader
-Whiplash (who may now be Crimson Dynamo)
-Abomination
-an army of Hammer Industries Drones

I don't know maybe that is too big? But isn't that what we want!? The BIGGEST, MOST EPIC, COMIC BOOK MOVIE OF ALL TIME? I would certainly like to think so. I don't care if it is four hours long and has to have an intermission......I WANT THIS MOVIE!

I may have some holes in my theories sooo....
Orphix
Orphix - 5/27/2010, 4:36 AM
I was wondering if they may take a more 'Ultimates' approach (sorry Lee) and do a sort of Liberators type thing with certain ideas taken from 616 Masters of Evil.

The reason I say that is because firstly some of the characters have already been introduced (i.e. the Abomination and Crimson Dynamo - admittedly presumed killed). And secondly because it introduces a 'terrorist' style threat I could see SHIELD trying to combat using a team. That would easily allow room for the Mandarin - or at least some aspects of his cell to become part of the bigger picture such as Justin Hammer.

Finally another clue is simply in the name 'Avengers Initiative' which kind of suggests that SHIELD wish to 'avenge' some past wrong. Something that could have happened WAY back (like WWII). So maybe the threat appeared then and is now back in action (Red Skull??) The important thing to remember is that the recent events timeline might not be all that important - Nick Fury might just have been hanging around for years to find the right team to 'avenge' this particular wrong.

Jeez - I hope what I just typed make some sort of sense...
contrast
contrast - 5/27/2010, 4:38 AM
@ROMACK-- That's sort of what I'm hoping for too, because as it is, I'm working on a long series of fan fic sequels to the first film, culminating in a fourth Avengers film entitled Avengers: Justice, Like Lightning, which, if you know anything about that phrase, you'll understand why the Masters of Evil are important to that plan.
Orphix
Orphix - 5/27/2010, 4:40 AM
@ROMACK Aww - you beat me to it! But I am definitely agreeing with you.

Terrorists can easily be a threat for The Avengers if they are superhuman terrorists. Simples! :o)
mintthins
mintthins - 5/27/2010, 4:41 AM
Dont really get the point of this as your just pointing out what we already know but interesting enough I suppose. Im hoping for Hulk + Loki.
ROMACK
ROMACK - 5/27/2010, 4:41 AM
Oh yeah that would be cool. Love the the Thunderbolts. This Current team not so much. But Masters of Evil make sense for the Avengers movie. Why build such a team if the threat wasn't immense?
Orphix
Orphix - 5/27/2010, 4:49 AM
@Liz - True, but nice to consolidate all the info...well for me anyway. My tiny, pretty head always struggles...

Oh and I have NO DOUBT that when the Avengers first 'assemble' it will be to stop a rampaging Hulk but then after that...well...who knows....
contrast
contrast - 5/27/2010, 4:50 AM
@ROMACK-- Not to give too much of my fan fic's plot away (though it's going to be a while before it's finished, and I'm sure nobody's gonna remember this...) but let's just say, the Thunderbolts take over for the Avengers after they are forced to disband due to a very public incident that may or may not be based on a story arc that happened in the Marvel Universe in recent years. But, yes, the fan fic's Thunderbolts are the classics (with a few Mods, as in, Mach I is actually Justin Hammer, not Beetle, since he's a Spider-Man character)
ROMACK
ROMACK - 5/27/2010, 4:53 AM
@Liz
I could go with the Hulk/Loki angle for a few reasons...

1) That is the original story
2) Hulk and Loki a powerful enough mix to be a real threat.
3) It leaves lots of options for sequels later.
ROMACK
ROMACK - 5/27/2010, 4:57 AM
@contrast
Dude that sounds cool! I like the inclusion of Justin Hammer....especially in armor. It makes sense! The Thunderbolts were a great concept. I loved the stories from the first couple of years.
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 5/27/2010, 4:58 AM
As cool as the Skrulls could be, I for one dont think that they'll be in The Avengers (at least not as a main villain) so I'd have to go with the classic story of seeing the team take on the Hulk. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what Loki's power levels in Thor are though to see if it would make sense to have the Avengers fight him..!

As for the rest listed above, I think that the Ten Rings just arent established enough yet and would be better suited to Iron Man 3 anyway, Abomination and Leader are again villains I'd rather see in another Hulk movie while I have no idea about the Red Skull...again, I guess it all depends on what they do with the character in The First Avenger!
mintthins
mintthins - 5/27/2010, 4:58 AM
And that was my first post here btw so sorry if it was a little critical!! :oP
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 5/27/2010, 5:06 AM
LizIles: Welcome to CBM! :)

Orphix: Very good point. Nick Fury clearly wants to put a team together for a reason (just like in The Ultimates) rather than having the heroes randomly unite in The Avengers to "fight the foes no single superhero could withstand!" (am I the only one who wants to hear that line said in the movie, lol?) Personally, my guess/hope would be that the threat is the Hulk but I have no idea..!
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