AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY Star Simu Liu Spotted With X-MEN Fan Favorite As Wasp Actor Teases [SPOILER] Team-Up

@SteviesRightFoo - Depends on who is watching. Having Shang Chi front and center means my wife will be more excited about it and it will be easier to get her to the theater. I’m excited. For me, Dhang Chi was a blast.

@SteviesRightFoo - Under no definition would Shang-Chi be considered Z list, no character that has there own comic series is below C list by most definitions.

A-LIST CHARACTERS

Appears in too many comic titles (team books, solo series, team-up books, mini-series as well as guest appearances) so basically he/she is everywhere
Well-known and very famous outside comics
Appears in any cartoons, movies, toys, storybooks, video games, trading cards and other forms of merchandise
Has huge fanbase and very divisive among fans
Has too many fanart and fanfiction about them
Too many writers love the character and is divisive among true fans
Highest chance of coming back from the dead in comic book death

B-LIST CHARACTERS

Appears occasionally in different comic titles (more likely in team books, team-ups and guest appearance)
Has his/her solo series if the writer is interested in the character and has two or more solo series
Casual fans remember the character thanks to cartoons or movies
More popular with the fans than with writers
Has occasional appearances in trading cards, collectible figurines, cartoons and video games
Is popular depending on the decade
May be brought back from the dead in comic book death depending on whether the writer feels like it

C-List Characters

Shows up few times in different comic titles (more likely in team books, mini-series and guest appearance)
Has one solo series that few people remember or sometimes, there's no solo
Only shows up as cameos, major or minor roles in cartoons, video games or movies
Seldom appears in trading cards and collectible figurines
Few casual fans outside the comics remember the character
May or not be a Ensemble Darkhorse among comic fans
Few writers remember the character and give roles whenever the writer is interested.
More likely to die early or middle parts of the story in big comic events
Seldom brought back from the dead in comic book death and you can only pray for the writer who is interested in the character.

D-List Characters

Appears very few times in different comic titles (only seen in team books, mini-series and guest appearances)
Does not have any solo series
Only shows up in blink-and-miss cameos in cartoons/movies or doesn't show up at all.
Does not appear in any merchandise except for a few times in trading cards
No one remembers the character outside the comics and very few writers use the character in comics
Has a small fanbase among comic book fans
More likely to die early in the story during comic events
Lesser chance to be brought back from the dead in comic book death

Z-LIST CHARACTER

Appears once or twice in few different comic titles
Does not appear in any cartoon or movie at all
Has no appearance in any merchandise whatsoever
Largely forgotten by writers, casual fans and comic book fans. Only very few die-hard comic book fans remember the Z-list character
Dies and remains forgotten in comic book events
No chance of bringing back from the dead in comic book death

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/a-list-b-list-c-list-d-list-and-z-list-defination-1602744/

Comic Book History
Originally introduced in the 1970s, Shang-Chi was more of a cult favorite—respected for his martial arts mastery but not widely known outside comic circles.

For decades, he was considered a B- or even C-list character, often appearing in team-ups or niche storylines.

🎬 MCU Impact
The 2021 film Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings catapulted him into the mainstream.

With a strong box office showing and critical acclaim, he’s now firmly in the A-list tier of Marvel heroes, at least in terms of public recognition and franchise potential.

🎮 In Games Like Marvel Contest of Champions
Shang-Chi is ranked in the "Beyond God Tier" (S Tier) for skill class champions, which is the highest level in that game’s meta.

So while he may have started as a lesser-known character, Shang-Chi is now a top-tier Marvel hero—both in the comics and on screen.

Fair to have a lower view of the character, very fair if you have a poor opinion of any given actor, but with recent history few would classify the character below B list and fits the definition of A list now.

@SteviesRightFoo - The TLDR is, always fair to have a low personal opinion of a character, film or actor even if holding a minority view. A personal opinion however does not impact if a character is classified a,b,c,d or Z and this one has never been classified lower than C.

@BlackBolt84 - he had completely valid points on a shark tank like show in canada, the entrepreneurs were completely condescending. They started their pitch with something like "what even is bobba" and the OTHER sharks, not simu, were like "we're pretty sure Simu knows what it is" and he did. They said things like, "we took the asian product and made it with fruit and juice" it's been made with fruit and juice for quite some time.

It's really tiresome this stupid debhatge keeps coming up everytime Simu's name came up because 2 french canadiens got taken to school in a viral clip.

@KennKathleen - GTFO Darren. Where’s Nu Darren?

@Apophis71 - yes all of this, clearly you actually watched the clip as opposed to the mouthbreeders who see segements of it from people whose job it is to rage bait them

@epc1122 - I'm excited for all coming comic book movies I just worry this one will disappoint

@epc1122 - Those are not the Avengers.

@CreateNowSlpL8r - they will interact with the avengers and that’s a part of the story that has me interested. Some would say the dark knight was so good was more because of the joker rather than Batman. I think doom is going to kill a lot of people and set up the second avengers movie and then the eventual reboot.

@Ryguy88 - well, ShangChi have 10 f***** rings, he can attack Cyclops from the distance too and these rings have more possibilities than Cyclops direct line blast.

@Ryguy88 - The who will win arguments are oft tiresome, original powers wise technicaly any skilled human even with tech should be easily defeated by top tier Supes but as always anyone can beat anyone if the writer choose it to be and always ways to make it work IF the writer has suffice talent.

That said, part the thing you will hear from Martial Arts masters in various ways is that no master of the arts uses his/her power to defeat anyone, rather they use their skill to make the opponant defeat themselves thus power differentials become less relevant.

That said, yeh they gave him a tech upgrade with his Dad's alien rings, but they also gave his mother and her race super powers of a sort which he thus inherited and was taught to master on top of his Kung Fu etc.

@Ryguy88 - IMO nothing TBH, certainly fine in the comics but do understand the reasoning why maybe top tier Supers get nerfed a tad (which I hate far more) and humans upgraded a tad in order to make it more believable for more people (esp those who never read the comics). The uprade wasn't THAT big however, and can always take away the rings at any point they want which was the main one, so not enough to be an issue for me even whilst thinking it was never needed thus understanding why a lot of us nerds don't like it.

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