Batman after Nolan

Batman after Nolan

What to do with the Batman franchise after Christopher Nolan leaves.

Editorial Opinion
By toilntrouble - Dec 29, 2010 06:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman

Forewarning, I have never read a comic book in my life, I do however enjoy comic book movies.

There has been some discussion regarding the future of the Batman movie franchise after Christopher Nolan directs his last film in the franchise, "The Dark Knight Rises" (2012). Nolan’s films have portrayed Batman and Gotham in a far more realistic, gritty and ultimately darker tone. They’ve managed to reinvent Batman as a modern character who audiences will go to see and enjoy. These movies provide a more reasoned and fleshed out world for Batman; For example, we’ve seen a lot more of Gotham’s underworld than simply the main villains and also seen much more of the legal system, ie. Police, DA and judges than previously.

Now I’ve seen numerous suggestions that the franchise ought to be rebooted, however I believe that’s entirely not necessary. Reboots in my mind are really only necessary after a franchise has ran its course, a la Batman & Robin for Batman or Die Another Day for Bond. Unless The Dark Knight Rises is a huge flaming disaster, which is pretty unlikely, this will not be the case. Before reboots became in vogue, franchises would often simply recast and move on with it, paying lip service to previous movies. I mean look at the Bond franchise, even when a new actor would come to play Bond, there were still the fundamental aspects that made it a Bond film and a loose sense of continuity.

Nolan has provided a firm platform for the Batman franchise to lift off from and it needn’t necessarily be restricted to continuing the franchise in his style. Nolan made it very clear that his was a fairly realistic interpretation of the character and hence aspects of some characters, like Ra’s al Ghul being immortal or entire villains like Mr. Freeze or Clayface, were not appropriate for his version. However, while he may have said this as a director, there is no explicit statement within the movies themselves that says that these kind of science fiction/supernatural elements cannot be introduced.

I’ve noticed many of you express a desire to see Batman be part of the wider DC Universe and while I may not feel the same, I don’t see why it wouldn’t be possible for this to occur without the franchise being rebooted. Just because Nolan saw the character as a stand alone figure, does not mean without the right writing and management, the character couldn’t be integrated in the DCU.

Personally, I’ve deeply enjoyed the grounded stories and characters that Nolan has given us and hope that his successor finds a way to continue, to some extent, the world that Nolan created. I think WB shouldn’t simply hire a director and tell them to make another “Nolan” film. They should look for someone with a vision similar to that of Nolan, but who can provide their own personal touch to the Caped Crusader as did, in particular, Burton and Nolan. I guess I’m also open to the idea of a one-off movie, disjointed from the continuity similar to Aronofsky’s “The Wolverine”, like “The Dark Knight Returns” or a noir-styled story.

Ultimately, I think the franchise is in a fairly flexible position and with such a wealth of source material to draw from, I hope they continue to build on from Nolan’s exceptional foundation.

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Orphix
Orphix - 12/29/2010, 7:23 AM
After Nolan the Batman franchise WILL reboot.

Nolan will kill his Bruce Wayne off. ;o)

I think just as many people who are annoyed with that will also be happy. Not everyone liked Nolan's Batman (Teabag I am looking at you) so will be happy to get the chance to see 'their' version on the big screen.
Orphix
Orphix - 12/29/2010, 7:52 AM
I don't hate Nolans Batman - in fact, I rather like it.

As for my version of Batman you have absolutely no idea what that is so calm yourself down.

Nice hissy fit! ;o)
Ibz
Ibz - 12/29/2010, 8:06 AM
no because bane and killer croc might pop in future batman movies dosent mean the tone has to change, the tone should be dark, it should be like arkham asylum, it has all these crazy super villains yet it still has that dark and gritty feel nolans films have. the DC world being connected could start with GL since it has amanda waller who if i am wrong is in charge of some sort covert organisation.who knows she could pop in the superman reboot.
Knightstalker
Knightstalker - 12/29/2010, 9:16 AM
I see no reason to do, yet another, reboot. Nolan's Batman stands up as a great franchise so continuing it with a new director (and actor) just makes sense. As long as they maintain the look and feel of Nolan's Batman then they can introduce a few more of the fantastic elements and the fan base will likely not mind it at all. I just hope they don't go all Schumacher on us and make it campy and ridiculous.
Orphix
Orphix - 12/29/2010, 9:24 AM
Knightstalker@ But the trouble with that is that as soon as you take Nolan out of the equation the franchise will just be a pale shadow of itself.

Why dilute what has already been a great series of films. Leave it as it is and rejoice!!!
Knight
Knight - 12/29/2010, 9:59 AM
I say after the third Nolan Batman film comes out, stop making Batman movies for AT LEAST ten years and move on to another hero that deserves the lime light.
Ibz
Ibz - 12/29/2010, 10:22 AM
@Knight great idea, if TDKR makes the amount of money dark knight made (which it probably will) WB will not stop making it since they need to find a replacement for harry potter franchise
HAQ
HAQ - 12/29/2010, 6:28 PM
toilntrouble: co-sign
coderaven
coderaven - 12/30/2010, 8:16 AM
Rebooting this franchise to appease the fanboys would be a huge mistake. So I am sure WB will do it.
TheShadow
TheShadow - 12/30/2010, 12:50 PM
Some people don't get it do they? Nolan will not let anyone expand on his franchise. It is known as NOLAN'S BATMAN, and it will always.
Knightstalker
Knightstalker - 12/30/2010, 9:34 PM
Good point Orphix. A pale imitation is probably worse than no new movie at all.
Spidey1996
Spidey1996 - 12/30/2010, 9:34 PM
Christopher Nolan is such a great director.
He did terrific on Batman. He rocks! :)
Knightstalker
Knightstalker - 1/3/2011, 11:19 AM
I see no problem with that Ibz (and I'm 100% in favor)but like Orphix pointed out, WB runs the risk of diluting the product. Some things are better left alone, but I think WB learned their lesson with Schumacher and will pay a lot more attention to how the franchise progresses.
DeadShizzle
DeadShizzle - 1/6/2011, 5:18 PM
I personally think after this movie the bat is gone for a while and will probably be rebooted or make an appearance somewhere if they decide to do a JLA movie. Also I don't think TDKR does more than 300 mil domestically as a lot of the money on TDK came from people who wouldn't normally see a CBM that went because HL died. I could be wrong who knows
PaulRom
PaulRom - 1/7/2011, 3:43 PM
I'd rather not see another reboot, but considering how money hungry film companies are, a reboot is kinda inevitable.
And yeah, keep the gritty tone if they decide to reboot.
YakeTheSnake
YakeTheSnake - 1/7/2011, 6:47 PM
I don't think a reboot is necessary, at all. Nolan's universe can continue, and it can be widened to include the rest of the DC Universe. Killer Croc can be done in a very realistic way, as he was treated in "Joker." Clayface would be quite harder to accomplish, as would Mr. Freeze. But, I don't see a reason that they need to reboot the series. A re-cast should do the trick, the could even do something akin to "Punisher Warzone," where it's not a direct reboot, but an origin, or general past, is discussed in great detail.
YakeTheSnake
YakeTheSnake - 1/7/2011, 6:54 PM
@TheShadow: It isn't Nolan's choice. WB has the rights to the Batman films. Nolan's Batman will always be legendary, and I'm pretty sure that any film that follows will always play second fiddle to it. Not only that, they will be heavily scrutinized and compared to Nolan's Batman. WB will do whatever they can to try to keep Nolan and Bale on-board, but I doubt Nolan will, and without him they lose Bale too. But, we can't say for sure. Nolan himself said he never planned to make a sequel for "Batman Begins," let alone 2 sequels. So, we never know...
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