Should Hollywood Retire The Joker?

Fans Move That The Joker Be Retired in Honor of Heath Ledger.

By RaxusPrime - Mar 01, 2009 12:03 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman

Fans are calling for Heath Ledger’s rendition of The Joker in Christopher Nolan’s blockbuster bash The Dark Knight to be acknowledged as the pinnacle of the character’s representation on film. But these fans won’t be satisfied with a posthumous Oscar; a petition placed on The Ultimate Joker, a Web site started by two dedicated fans, Fer Barbella and Nico Pimentel, is asking the film industry to refrain from recasting the role… forever. One of the site’s creators who spoke with the staff of Wired magazine via e-mail made the following comments:

“We truly believe Ledger’s performance as Joker is the best an actor could ever do,” the site’s team leader, Fer Barbella, told Wired.com. “Any other performance will be below expectations for sure, so we want to forever keep Ledger’s Joker as the one,” added Barbella, who launched The Ultimate Joker site last week.

Perhaps the fans at The Ultimate Joker are right—maybe there are those unique moments when the perfect mix of talent, determination, and material coalesce into a shining example of what it means to really bring a character to life; and with Ledger’s untimely passing, which many suggest was an indirect result of the intense process he underwent in order to transform into the white-faced psychopath, calls to immortalize his highly acclaimed performance as The Joker are understandably intensified.

But film is not baseball. The film industry does not “retire” a character the same way a team retires a player’s number. The way the industry at large shows respect to actors is well established: posthumous awards, film dedications, plaques, memorial services, lifetime achievement awards… Calls by Ledger’s fans to “retire” the character of The Joker from film (the petition does not include television or animated representations) are calls for something that, while it would be an unprecedented honor for the late Mr. Ledger, might also represent a limitation placed on the creativity that the medium of film was founded on.

The fact that we can’t imagine a better portrayal of The Joker on film, having now witnessed Ledger’s, does not mean that another actor would not come along who could present what some might view as a better portrayal. The fact that I could not imagine a better portrayal of Batman than Michael Keaton certainly didn’t stop Christian Bale from blowing Keaton’s sullen caped crusader right out of the water with his own take on The Batman only sixteen years later, for example.

That said, the propriety of The Ultimate Joker’s calls for the retirement of The Joker from film is up to you to decide. Even if you disagree with the site’s goals, we highly recommend browsing the amazing collection of quotes, interviews, fan videos, photos and other interesting information that The Ultimate Joker has compiled.

Do you think that The Joker should be retired from movies?

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realfirstavenger
realfirstavenger - 3/3/2009, 9:05 PM
First off, I am a huge Ledger fan before Dark Knight. Obviously that being said I beleive his portrayal of the Joker was amazing and deserving of the Oscar that he won.

HOWEVER, No disrespect, but get real. To say that noone could ever and should ever play the Joker is quite ludacris. Ledger may turn out to have played the best live action Joker there ever was but many, many other actors can have different takes and approach to this multifaceted character. Ledgers death was truly a tradegy and his career was just beginning, but to say that noone should ever play the a character just because he passed away after filming just makes no sense. The film he was actually working on when he died has been completed with 3 other actors taking on his role. I think that whoever tackles the Joker next should put their own spin on the character and not try to recreate someone elses.

The Joker will always exist as long as Batman exists in films. They are arch rivals and polar opposites. We may as well say that Batman should be retired as well. Doesnt make much sense to me.
SGA
SGA - 3/3/2009, 9:17 PM
realfirstavenger hit the nail on the head.

perfectly put.
agentend
agentend - 3/4/2009, 1:10 AM
They dont need to retire the character for ALL TIME, and certainly not because Heath died. If the movie studios decide to rehash the series again sometime in the distant future....after Nolan's take, then of course why not. You would have to. I personally dont think they should try to bring the character back in a third "Nolan" batman movie.
ManOfIron
ManOfIron - 3/4/2009, 6:38 AM
if anything they should keep it going in honor of him!
Aiiwolf
Aiiwolf - 3/4/2009, 10:16 PM
It just Ticks me off that Jack Nicolson made a profit off this movie because of his CONTRACT with "BATMAN".
The contract stated that if he was the joker, every movie after that made about batman, Jack would make a profit off.

I think Nolan should make his Masterpiece Batman Trilogy...and END it there.

If they are going to use the joker I'd rather have them make a "requel" where they acknowledge Nolan's work...but it has nothing to do with Nolan's batman movie...kind of like the incredible hulk.

PS: They should really start thinking about "Batman Beyond" trilogy....it be interesting to see.
mkdray
mkdray - 3/5/2009, 8:35 AM
HELL NO!!!!!!!!! im with manofiron, they should keep him goin, that would be like them stop making Superman movies since since Reeve died!
Talontd
Talontd - 3/5/2009, 10:05 AM
I think they should retire the character until the series is Re-Booted. There is no way I wanna see another Joker in Nolan's next film. However, no character should ever be completely retired.
ReddHotPoker
ReddHotPoker - 3/5/2009, 11:29 AM
First of all, Hollywood will never take a couple of fans seriously about things like this; there is simply too much money to be made off of continuing the character.

I agree, Heath's performance will be the stuff of legend for a long time, but eventually people will move on and in 20 years the entire cycle will start new with another actor cast in the role again.

Keep the Joker going. I think Joey Kern would definitely be able to look the part, now if only there was some way to see if he could pull off the joker's personality...
legder20
legder20 - 3/9/2009, 1:45 PM
I agree with talontd.
TheMyth
TheMyth - 3/15/2009, 10:24 AM
I also agree with Talontd. It's as simple as he phrased it.
akthunder
akthunder - 3/20/2009, 7:08 PM
Hell No. Who cares that he died. Just because he died does not mean they should retire the character. There are plenty of other, non drug using actors who could do the role better without the influence of drugs.
Tobuttica
Tobuttica - 3/21/2009, 12:39 AM
Yeah, them two dopes are not going to go anywhere. Just because they have a petition doesn't mean crap. I really enjoyed TDK, but I likes the Joker. Eventually I'm gonna want to see him on film again, possibly in the next movie, who knows, but it's inevitable to not recast the greatest and most popular comic book villain of all time.
Set2Fallfirst
Set2Fallfirst - 3/22/2009, 2:46 PM
I am a Huge Heath Ledger fan And Batman fan trust i me i know their shoe sizes. But this is complete crap. If youre a true fan of the comics of the characters and the actor then you know this sounds like complete crap. NO offense to heath but hed totally agree. So he died ppl die every day this isnt a highschool basketball team and the captain died of luekimia this is a actor playing a role in a franchise he amazing he was the sh@t but still. NO there are other interpretations of the joker besides the one nicholson and leger protrayed. AND its a diservice to us fans because i for one know 5 actors who could do it amazingly. Those loud mouth yahoos!! that keep saying it should be retired are the 15 yr old to 27 yr old girls who think he was so sexy and the only reason they truly love batman now is because of he heath which is crap. if daniel day lewis could get his hands on the joker hed knock it out of the park. and as for this bull crap it bugs the hell out of me if u truly love the character and batman and heath youd shut the hell up and leave other roles open to the interpretation of hte film makers. Douchers
Set2Fallfirst
Set2Fallfirst - 3/22/2009, 2:52 PM
This puts a bad taste in my mouth like diet coke or fat free sugarless ice cream. Or Dr.Manhattan splooging into my mouth lol
BigHeadSarge
BigHeadSarge - 3/22/2009, 7:44 PM
@ johan02. The Joker was never concerned with making other people laugh. He spent much more of his time amusing himself. The way Ledger's Joker kept mentioning the scars was not a sob story, or a way to make people to feel sorry for him. It was his running joke throughout the film. How many times did the story change? He was lying about the scars so that nobody would ever know where they really came from. In his twisted mind, that makes it much funnier. Besides that, I think he was pretty funny anyway: the pencil trick, the tips he gave Batman on interrogation, the "poor choice of words" line before he drops Dawes out the window, etc.
Gothamknights1939
Gothamknights1939 - 4/7/2009, 7:44 PM
While I agree that the Character is bigger than the actor portraying it, Akthunder is completely off base. What Heath did was disappear in the role so that you only saw the Joker. It was brilliant and will never be topped. Which I think is the point. When the Joker returns to the screen, whoever dons the white makeup and green hair should not attempt to mimic Heaths performance. It would only come off as a cheap knock off.

Thats why I think there needs to be at least one movie between Dark Knight and a possible return of the Joker. Give us fans of both the character, and of Heath Ledger get some distance from this amazing yet tragic story from Dark Knight.

His performance will go down in comic book movie history, and all we can hope is that the next actor will be able to bring his own unique voice to the Joker.
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