The Anatomy of a Batman Fight Scene

The Anatomy of a Batman Fight Scene

Let's examine the much talked about fight scene in Batman v Superman (where Batman attempts to rescue Martha Kent) and compare it to a scene in The Dark Knight (where Batman attempts to capture the Joker) to determine which is the "better" fight scene.

Editorial Opinion
By Forthas - Jun 14, 2016 05:06 PM EST
Filed Under: Batman vs. Superman

Many of those who watched the scene in the 2016 film - Batman v Superman - in which Batman attempts to save Martha Kent in a violent barrage - came away with the opinion that finally there was a Batman that “moved” like the titular hero from the popular Arkham games or as one might imagine the type of actions that Batman engages in during his takedown of criminals.  Many have attempted to label it as the “best” Batman fight sequence ever on screen.  But is it? I am not one of those who thinks that Batman’s takedown of Lex Luthor’s goons in an effort to save Martha Kent was the best Batman fighting scene thus far.  Did it look “cool?” Sure!  But there has to be more to a scene than it looking “cool” otherwise Michael Bay should be a perennial academy award winner because of his propensity for style over substance. Let’s look at the Batman v Superman fight objectively and compare it to what I think is an equally good if not better fight scene from the movie The Dark Knight.  Both scenes are similar in that Batman must infiltrate a building, take on multiple armed individuals, and both even use a common ploy of collapsing a floor underneath their opponents to reach their target. Here is a side by side view of both scenes. 
 
Batman v Superman Clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfR6gcothcI
 
The Dark Knight Clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFSqcqK3KB4
 
I will break down the fight scenes into four parts and examine why it is or is not a good scene. 
 
THE APPROACH


In Batman v Superman, Batman’s entry into the targeted building is anything but subtle.  He flies his aircraft to the location, guns down the men on the ground floor and upon Alfred assuming the controls of the aircraft, crashes though a window onto the floor below Luthor’s goons, alerting everyone that he is there.  Luckily for Batman, Luthor’s henchman were ALL conveniently gathered on one floor.
 

In The Dark Knight, Batman silently glides from the top of a building and enters the nearby building the Joker is held up in using a stealth approach through an opening as he tackles a person he presumed was one of Joker’s henchman dressed as a clown.  Once inside, he analyzes his surroundings while NOT alerting anyone to his presence which gives him precious time to formulate a plan after ascertaining what the situation is based on information he collects while in the building. 
 
THE STRATEGY

In Batman v Superman, Batman collapses the ground level where the criminals are standing and crashes through the floor using a grappling gun, hoists himself past them and perches on a rafter.  He then releases (apparently) magnetic devices that disarms the goons.  His strategy is simply to disable the weapons of the criminals and take them out.  Unfortunately, it is never explained how Batman knows his bearings.  He is only told by Alfred that there are people on the third floor.  How does he know where the criminals are standing?….How does he know there is a rafter to perch from? (…it is a lucky thing that there was one).    
 

In the Dark Knight, with the assistance of Lucius Fox, Batman scans the building using his sonar vision.  He is able to tell where people in the building are located and get a layout of the building itself.  While it may have been his strategy to head straight for the Joker initially, he becomes aware of the Joker’s ruse of dressing the hostages as his henchmen and realizes he has to rescue the hostages from the SWAT team while at the same time subdue the real criminals.  This sets into motion a complicated dilemma but also highlights Batman’s ability to think on his feet and change strategies quickly.    
 
THE ATTACK

In Batman v Superman, Batman’s attack is fierce and frenzied.  He methodically kills or at least severely injures virtually everyone in his path.  Displaying super human strength in the process (such as effortlessly hurling a massively large crate at criminals, kicking a criminal numerous feet into another criminal to disrupt his attempt to set off a grenade; and flinging fully grown men across the room with ease) he defeats his foes in a brutal manner.  Once he has killed or seriously injured everyone in the room he moves in to rescue Martha Kent. 
 

In the Dark Knight, Batman’s attack is mix of measured and tactical violence on the SWAT teams so as to not kill anyone, yet brutal and debilitating assaults on the Joker’s goons using targeted strikes to knock them out cold.  He also lays elaborate traps using speed and the confusion of the confrontations to save the SWAT team from an ambush by having the floor collapse beneath them causing the officers to fall to their safety. In addition, Batman also finds a clever way to incapacitate even more SWAT officers by tying them together and jettisoning them out of a window where they safely dangle away from Joker’s henchman but unable to prevent him from getting to the Joker.  Once everyone is (presumably) safe, and the Joker's men are captured or incapacitated, he scales up the building to confront the Joker.        
 
THE FINISH

In Batman v Superman, Batman finally confronts the final two criminals holding Martha Kent hostage.  He is somehow able to see through a wall where one of the criminals is standing and crash through it to subdue him (I guess because he is Batman). Upon confronting Anatoli Knyazev, Batman shoots the fuel canister of Knyazev’s flame thrower causing it to ignite.  It does not seem to occur to Batman that he is putting Martha Kent at enormous risk by doing this but luckily he is able to get to her in time and shield her from the ensuing explosion which kills the first henchman he subdued and Anatoli Knyazev.  
 

In The Dark Knight, Batman reaches the Joker who unleashes several dogs to distract him while the Joker tries to beat him with crowbar.  Upon creating some distance between him and the Joker by kicking the Joker away from him, Batman dispatches the dogs by throwing them into a stairwell, but the Joker gets the upper hand as he hits Batman in the back of his head causing Batman’s sonar imaging device to momentarily malfunction and thereby temporarily blinding him. The Joker is able to knock Batman through a glass pane and pin Batman under a rail and taunt him about the oncoming destruction of two ferries set to blow the other up.  Batman confident that it won’t happen takes advantage of the Joker’s momentary dismay that the ferries did not blow up and uses it to launch projectiles into the face of the Joker and then hurl him over the rail towards his impending death down the side of a building. Batman shoots a grappling hook snagging the Jokers leg in time to save him from the fall. 
 
VERDICT
Both scenes are engrossing and exciting to watch, however it seem to me that one better represents a Batman fight scene more than the other.  The Dark Knight depicts the superior Batman fight scene by showcasing much of the crime fighting skills that Batman is known for. In that one scene he is stealth, calculating, tactical and strategic as well as agile and at times brutal. It also details how Batman does many of his actions - for example we see how he sets charges to collapses the floor under the SWAT team, but in Batman v Superman the floor simply collapses with no explanation as to how it happened.  Likewise we see how Batman surveys his surroundings using his sonar enhanced vision, whereas in Batman v Superman, Batman inexplicably knows where criminals are situated or where one is standing behind a wall. The sequence in Batman v Superman relies quite a bit on luck and happenstance. (Why Lex Luthor’s men did not just kill Martha Kent once the commotion started is curious).  The manner in which Batman attacks the criminals in Batman v Superman is more akin to the Incredible Hulk, without a plan and straight on, the very things that Batman traditionally would seemingly be inclined to not do as he is usually portrayed as being trained in various martial arts and a master of the stealth attack. The Dark Knight situation also presents Batman (and thereby the viewer) with a complicated dilemma that requires shrewdness in order to overcome.  Ben Affleck’s portrayal of Batman is reckless, unrealistic, impulsive and superhuman…all the things Batman is not…but hey…it looked cool!  
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TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 6/14/2016, 7:10 PM
I'm baffled by this so called "verdict".

What do you mean "but in Batman v Superman the floor simply collapses with no explanation as to how it happened"

The scene in BvS literally begins with BATMAN shooting his grapple through the floor ahead of himself and then pulling himself through the floor.

Not only that, but it showcases ACTUAL Batman-like fighting, not foe-karate meant to look "epic".

Your analysis (of both scenes) is laughable.
TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 6/14/2016, 7:19 PM
@TheArrowverse -

"In Batman v Superman, Batman finally confronts the final two criminals holding Martha Kent hostage. He is somehow able to see through a wall where one of the criminals is standing and crash through it to subdue him (I guess because he is Batman)."

He's in the room next door...Batman (on numerous occasions) has been shown to have listening devices that would allow him to hear through...sheetrock?

"Upon confronting Anatoli Knyazev, Batman shoots the fuel canister of Knyazev’s flame thrower causing it to ignite. It does not seem to occur to Batman that he is putting Martha Kent at enormous risk by doing this"

LOL what? The entire point of that scene showcases that he CALCULATES what he's about to do before SAVING Martha...

"The sequence in Batman v Superman relies quite a bit on luck and happenstance."

*Clearly you've picked up zero Batman comics ever, because that scene alone was more accurate then anything in Nolans entire trilogy*

" The manner in which Batman attacks the criminals in Batman v Superman is more akin to the Incredible Hulk, without a plan and straight on, the very things that Batman traditionally would seemingly be inclined to not do as he is usually portrayed as being trained in various martial arts and a master of the stealth attack. "

LOL what?

1) Have you ever read a Batman comic? Honestly, I'm curious

2) Did you see the manner in which that scene was built? Bruce had a set time frame to save Martha, and he STILL was EXTREMELY strategic

"Ben Affleck’s portrayal of Batman is reckless, unrealistic, impulsive and superhuman…all the things Batman is not…but hey…it looked cool! "

Read a comic before coming onto the website called "comicbookmovie"

"reckless" - Wrong, that was clearly the structure and situation of THAT scene - Batman had to go into a situation in which he couldn't prep because someone's life was on a clock...if you took the previous scene - in which Batman built armor and a kryptonite spear (and traps) you'd be saying otherwise...

"unrealistic" - LOL what? In a world with "Superman" Batman, who is the peak of the peak of the peak of being a human is "unrealistic"

"impulsive" - Yea, someone clearly didn't understand what was going on (you)

"superhuman" - Again, have you read a comic? Because most "comic book humans" are, or would be in the real world, "technically" superhuman
Forthas
Forthas - 6/14/2016, 7:19 PM
@TheArrowverse - The grappling gun is essentially a spear or clamp with a rope attached to it...how exactly would that cause the floor to collapse? It should attach itself to whatever it hits...nothing more and nothing less. If you are suggesting that he pulled himself up through the floor then he is superhuman thus NOT Batman.
TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 6/14/2016, 7:21 PM
@TheArrowverse - You actually contradict yourself about 95 times in this article by the way.

Calling BvS Batman's plan "methodical" and then stating it was reckless; noting how in TDK Bruce scans the building but glossing over that same exact tactic used in a better manor in BvS, etc.
Forthas
Forthas - 6/14/2016, 7:26 PM
@TheArrowverse - Ok you are making my point. If you have to "read" a comic to know many of these things then the film fails at letting the viewer (since it is NOT a comic book) understand what is happening. It is a MOVIE so it should be accessible to movie goers not just comic book readers
Forthas
Forthas - 6/14/2016, 7:29 PM
@TheArrowverse - When did he scan a building in BVS? I wrote he methoddically beat up the goons...but it was reckless to alert them in the first place and in my opinion put Martha Kent at risk by setting off an explosion.
monsterswin
monsterswin - 6/14/2016, 7:48 PM
While I don't care for BvS or Nolan's Batman I have to say that the fight scene from BvS has a few great comic book Batman moments although I also questioned the superhuman strength he seemed to posses not only to toss guys around (and yes I realize the crate was kind of "slung" with the grappling gun) and his ability to withstand Superman's brutal attack on him. Armor or no armor it was too much. He's only human and only Batman so mano a mano with Superman in the way they did it wasn't too convincing.

However, the way Bats moved was a LOT more satisfying than practically anything from the Nolan films.
Forthas
Forthas - 6/14/2016, 9:09 PM
@monsterswin - That is fair enough...I was pointing out that even through the "action" you can still stay true to the characters nature. While the Nolan scene may not be as comic booky...it was more satisfying for me because it does not cut corners or feel the need to exaggerate the action just to make it exciting. But each to their own.
monsterswin
monsterswin - 6/15/2016, 1:58 PM
@Forthas - Well....for the most part I never really felt that Nolan stayed that true to the characters nature anyway. DK is a well made movie but as far as being a great Batman movie I would say no. Actually Batman Begins had a few moments that were more true to him than DK.
Forthas
Forthas - 6/15/2016, 2:02 PM
@monsterswin - What characteristic did he not have?
monsterswin
monsterswin - 6/16/2016, 12:16 PM
@Forthas - Well for starters In DK and DKR he wanted to stop being Batman, was the world's most mediocre detective, fought in a lousy "brawling" style and didn't build any of his own stuff instead relying on his own personal "Q" to do it.
Forthas
Forthas - 6/16/2016, 1:29 PM
@monsterswin -

That is wrong...

In the COMIC BOOK The Dark Knight Returns, Batman comes - OUT OF RETIREMENT!!!!

The excellent detective work of Nolan's Batman included being able to: 1) trick Ras Al Ghul by duplicating an identifying gash during his test to become a member of the League of Shadows; 2) instantly determine the true identity of Ras Al Ghul once he re-encountered him at his party; 3) secretly bought up stocks using other privately held interest to regain control of his father’s company; 4) fooled Ras Al Ghul into thinking he wanted to stop a runaway train thus preventing Ras from having any time to respond to the trains impending destruction; 5) supply Gordon with lightly irradiated money allowing them to track the mobs financial activity; 6) determine where the Joker had planned to attack and kill the Mayor of Gotham through forensic analysis of a bullet; 7) fooled the Joker into thinking he killed Jim Gordon; 8) determined where the Joker was held up using his sonar device as Joker was about to blow up the ferries; 9) immediately determined Selina Kyle was a burglar and not a maid; 10) pieced together that Ras Al Ghul was the “mercenary” from the legend he had heard while imprisoned; 11) and determined how to overcome the prison pit by allowing himself to be motivated by fear.

His fighting style allowed him to; 1) defeat two of the Scarecrow’s armed men in an apartment by himself; 2) defeat another (approximately) ten of Scarecrow’s armed men at his psychiatric facility by himself; 3) takes out four of Ras Al Ghuls men as they are trying to gas the city by himself; 4) defeat Ras Al Ghul by himself, destroys a section of the train car and glides out of the car to escape the train crash; 5) take out (approximately five) of Lau’s armed men by himself; 6) defeat two SWAT teams (approximately 10 men) and the Joker’s henchman (approximately 10 men), the Joker and three dogs by himself; 7) take out Harvey Dent after he survives being shot; 8) defeat (approximately ten) of Bane’s henchman on a roof with help from Cat Woman 9) takes out approximately five of Banes men while pursuing him in his subterranean lair with help from Cat Woman 10) defeat (approximately five) of Bane’s Henchman with help from John Blake to free the police; 11) and defeats the freakishly strong Bane by himself...

...so I will take that Batman every day.
monsterswin
monsterswin - 6/16/2016, 1:49 PM
@Forthas - Well .....knock yourself out. DC is moving on and I think we will begin to see the best on screen Batman ever slowly but surely. It hasn't been done yet.
Odin
Odin - 6/15/2016, 1:32 AM
Are you FreedomFreeLife.
Forthas
Forthas - 6/15/2016, 6:52 AM
@Odin - NO!
SteveBosell
SteveBosell - 6/15/2016, 12:08 PM
I really enjoyed Batman v Superman. I'm one of the few that doesn't understand all the vitriol leveled at it. When I went to the screening of it, the audience was blown away. My friend, who's a huge Marvel fanboy, even recognized the emotional impact of the "Martha" scene. The fact that reviewers were unfair opened the film to unnecessary ridicule and mockery. Its almost trendy to hate on this film.
That said, Nolan's Batman is still the best film iteration of the comic book character. We received 3 films on this version. Affleck's Batman hasn't even received a full solo film yet. What I do find superior in Affleck's Batman is the gray and black suit, and the more martial arts/street fighting-esque combat style. There's still much that remains to be seen from this Batman. It'd be nice to see what his dynamic with Robin was like. His relationship with Gordon will be interesting to see as well. This Batman surely piques my interest for what is to come.
Forthas
Forthas - 6/15/2016, 12:54 PM
@Marxman12 - Well put! While I might personally disagree with the direction of the DCEU and the casting of Affleck ... I can appreciate that the specific fight sequences with Luthor's henchmen was very well choreographed and exciting - outside of the other elements I mentioned (strategy and quick thinking) it was probably as good as any other fight sequence.

I think the vitriol stems from the bravado that was being expressed for the three years after the film was announced. You have to admit the hype for the film was at the highest levels which I have never seen before and whether or not you enjoyed, I hope you can see why significant numbers of people found flaws with it. There are plenty of movies that I love that everyone else thinks is trash (for example I love the Underworld films) and I just accept that it is a matter of taste and in some cases my taste is in the minority.

I am not trying to attack the whole film just address the perception that the BvS scene was uniquely Batman-like. But I at no point say it was NOT an exciting or well done scene...just that the approach is not the best representation of how I think Batman would approach the situation. Kind of like if the Hulk had to deal with a villain and the first thing he did was try to reason with them (not the best example but hopefully you get my point).


SteveBosell
SteveBosell - 6/15/2016, 1:28 PM
@Forthas - I love the Underworld films as well. I would love for Kate Beckinsale to join the DCEU.
Forthas
Forthas - 6/15/2016, 1:49 PM
@Marxman12 - As who?
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