Why Do We Hate on Young Adult Adaptations?

Why Do We Hate on Young Adult Adaptations?

How do we as a community find a way to hate on young adult adaptations? Click to find out my thoughts on the matter.

Editorial Opinion
By DannRamm113 - Feb 25, 2015 09:02 AM EST
Filed Under: DC Comics

Twilight sucked.

But you all knew that, didn't you (at least the people that did have the unluckiness to watch it)?  So tell me, why does it suck?  The crappy chemistry, convoluted plot line, the cliches' that we now know and hate, such as the "Love Triangle" and "Way out of humanity".  But was it the cliches that did the movie bad, or the way those cliches were done?

Now, young adult adaptations are often hated on.  Movies like "The Hunger Games" and "Divergent" almost immediately recieve unanimous hateful comments on this website.  My question is, why?  Granted, I didn't see Divergent, so I won't be talking about that too much, but I have seen all of The Hunger Games franchise thus far.  And I will say this: if you are one of these people calling it a "Twilight" ripoff, you haven't seen the film.


We're all entitled to our opinions of course.  So I understand if you saw the movies and find them maybe a little bit boring and dragging on.  BUT, if you say "crappy love story about a whining girl trying to decide between two guys" is the MAIN story, then watch it again.  Conversely, if you say that it's nothing more than a terrible Battle Royale ripoff, then watch it again.  The story does involve a love story, and a point of the story is "The Hunger Games" themselves, where a group of kids are trying to kill each other.  But this is more about the context of the Games, rather than the content of them.  An easy way to look at it is this: Battle Royale is like we're watching the games, Hunger Games is like we're watching the story behind the games.  

I want the people on this site to do me a rather: think about your place in this arguement.  Again, I realize that with every great Y/A adaptation there is a terrible one that reenforces the stereotype that they suck.  With every Harry Potter, there is a Twilight.  WIth every Hunger Games, there is a Divergent.  So please, don't discredit a good movie because you think the genre is lame.  I mean, if Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Sorcerer's Stone had come out just recently, I've got a feeling you'd all be shitting on that movie as well.  Last year we had adaptations of Divergent, The Giver, The Maze Runner, and The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1.  I saw the Maze Runner and Hunger Games, and thought both were pretty good, with Maze Runner actually suprising me.  But everything on this website has been nothing but hate.  Then, it dawned on me: what if these were comic books?

If these were adaptations of graphic novels, would we all be hating as much as we do on Y/A adaptations?  I mean the same exact movie, but based on Icon or Vertigo graphic novels and not novels?  If you're thinking "well that can't be done", then I want you to think again.  Are you saying that there can't be a graphic novel exploring a young girl's transition from someone that just cares for her family, into someone that is a symbol for a rebellion?  That the Hunger Game's can't be a graphic novel?  Why, because there's a love interest?  Or talking?  News Flash:  Every story has a love story and dialogue.  They're two basic story telling formats.  The only difference is that they're writen instead of drawn.

Finally, if Y/A adaptations are made souly for teen girls, then I ask you, for whom are comic book movies made for?  Do you think that comic book companies base their audience on teens and adults?  NO.  Because if that was true, then Guardians of the Galaxy wouldn't have been made.  By using the logic that only teen girls watch Hunger Games, then you can easily make the logic that comic book movies are made for kids.  And as we know, we don't want to think that.  We want comic book movies to be looked at with dignity and respect, not with "Oh, you're 24 and watching The Avengers?  You must be a nerdy loser."

Learn our place.  That is what we must do.  Don't base a genre off of what it's based off of.  If you want a comic book movie to actually be in discussion for Best Picture someday, then I would suggest that you take all adaptations a little more seriously, that way our own adaptations will be as well.

Thank you for reading.  If you liked what you read, show some love and hit the red thumb.  Agree, disagree, thoughts?  Comment below!  Have a nice day, peace out.
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Malakas
Malakas - 2/25/2015, 9:55 AM
I hate teenage.
Pasto
Pasto - 2/25/2015, 10:14 AM
Well, seeing as how 95% of these young adult films are really really bad, that may be why people hate them...
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 2/25/2015, 10:32 AM
@Pasto

Tell me, how did you form the figure 95%? Have you seen only twilight and divergent?
KrazyForKomix
KrazyForKomix - 2/25/2015, 10:39 AM
They're probably not ALL as bad as the rep they get.
Keep in mind, they ain't aimed at you.

Does Seseme Street suck?
Did Matlock suck?

Not if you were the intended audience.
Pedrito
Pedrito - 2/25/2015, 11:09 AM
You like crappy young adult books and movies?
Great, you can write one too:

http://postgradproblems.com/how-to-write-a-shitty-young-adult-novel/
homodrome
homodrome - 2/25/2015, 11:31 AM
Some YA stuff is shlocky blockbuster versions of CW shows.

But stuff like The Hunger Games are incredibly well crafted dystopian sci-fi that just happens to star a young woman and several characters who are 'young'.

Young Adult novels are just like comic book movies were a decade ago. Everyone is clamouring to make cash off them, but the end products vary vastly in quality.
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 2/25/2015, 11:56 AM
Hunger games is fun but I think the cringe worthy aspects you mention are worthy of disdain. It just degrades the movie for Katniss to be in this odd love triangle for no reason other than to create drama. That is just personal opinion but I suspect people will agree with me. Its like the love story in any transformers. It is a distraction, something meant to create drama, but in a movie about giant robot aliens I don't need to see any teen angst/ unrequainted love. The lovee story in some of these things is just awful, with twilight being the worst, thos movies come off like a middle age womans masturbatory fantasy.
LEOSTRATOR
LEOSTRATOR - 2/25/2015, 11:57 AM
Like MexicanSuperman says, a good movie is a good movie. The problem is most of these teen movies are bad movies with bad acting. Maze Runner and Divergent were ok to me, as for Twilight and Hunger games they both sucked. Twilight was just bad writing and even worse acting. As for Hunger Games, regardless of how you try to spin it, it's a ripoff of Battle Royal with a love triangle embedded in it. From the government using the game to inject fear into their people, to the danger zones on the island, returning players, sounding off when a player dies and the players banding together to over throw the game. A complete ripoff and I don't get how it receive so much prays for being a great story and film?
pesmerga44
pesmerga44 - 2/25/2015, 12:02 PM
Really the only YA books that have been any good were the Hunger Game movies and the Harry Potter movies. The rest are just recycled crap they put out because teenagers are stupid enough to keep eating it up. Majority of them have the same damn set up some dystopian future that only the one special kid can save the day or something to do with supernatural things like vampires and witches and how the one special vampire or witch has to decide if they want to be good or bad. Majority of YA movies and books are written terribly Divergent, Maze Runner, Twilight, The Giver, Mortal Instruments, Beautiful Creatures, The Host, etc... All terrible movies all around terribly written, terribly directed, terribly acted, full of plot holes and sequel baiting the YA adaptation titles for the most part are bad. If you are not called Harry Potter or Hunger Games then you better hope teenage girls like you enough. Personally I didn't even like the Hunger Games movies or Harry Potter movies all that much but I see much more work and care put into those movies in front and behind the camera then the vast majority of YA adaptations do.
pesmerga44
pesmerga44 - 2/25/2015, 12:07 PM
@Gusto

Gusto doesn't like nubile young 18 year olds when he does a women he likes to see dust fly out of their panties then he knows they are aged to perfection. Forget the cub or the cougar Gusto likes them old Jaguars 70 or older. No worries Gusto Stiffler approves of your taste.

SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 2/25/2015, 12:30 PM
I actually really agree with this. Hell, I was one of those assholes who immediately looked down their nose on The Hunger Games because I looked at it, saw its popularity, figured it was aimed at teen girls, and laughed it off.

Then my friends actually forced my to watch all the movies in the days leading up to Mockingjay Part 1...and holy shit, I LOVED 'em. I can't even fathom how people try to equate that franchise to Twilight, because it's just on another level entirely.

But that's kind of why people hate on this genre - it has a bad reputation thanks to Twilight, it has a stigma of being geared towards teen girls, and it seems like most people just hate on these movies without ever actually seeing them. It took me a while to break out of that mindset, and I can only imagine how many more people still think like that. Sucks for them though...they're the ones missing out on some really awesome, creative, genuinely great stuff.
HulkOnion
HulkOnion - 2/25/2015, 12:39 PM
We hate them cause they're bad
pesmerga44
pesmerga44 - 2/25/2015, 1:20 PM
@SauronsBANE

Ya I get that the entire YA adaptation sub genre isn't bad like I said, though I don't care for them, Hunger Games and Harry Potter films are well made. I can see that they are well put together decent to good acting, directing, writing, etc... Just unfortunately almost everything else from this sub genre that isn't part of these two are not. They are built to be the cheapest easiest films to ride the coattails of these much better made films and the also terribly made but still somehow popular Twilight films. There is very little thought and effort put into making most of these films.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 2/25/2015, 1:31 PM
@pesmerga44 Yeah, I can't say I really disagree. The way I look at it is, this is still a relatively new genre. Compared to all the others, it just hasn't had enough time to really set itself apart and come out with some consistently great movies. All genres start out rocky and on unstable footing. Heck, just look at some of the early, terribly-made superhero movies.

So unfortunately, franchises like Twilight have gotten so big that people think it represents the entire genre. But I think Harry Potter and The Hunger Games and Maze Runner and Divergent (to a much lesser extent) have started to change that perception. Give it some time though, and I think we'll start to see a lot more genuinely great young adult movies.
01928401
01928401 - 2/25/2015, 4:36 PM
I'm just going to say that I swear I don't read your stuff just to find flaws... But here are some flaws.
-You should have referenced the source material. An adaptation might suck, but its original medium might not have.
-You should not have talked down Twilight and Divergent (a movie you admitted you haven't seen, then went on to dismiss). It seriously defeats the purpose of the article. What, you didn't like it so it's bad? I thought that's why you wrote this thing.
-In reference to Twilight, you ruin your own articles and the basis of the "people don't read articles" article by making stupid ass statements your introduction. Of course people think you'd hate young adult novels based on that first paragraph, when those of us that read this know that's not what you're implying.
-You should break down the movies more. I mean, Harry Potter was amazing visually and the acting was great from nearly every aspect, but the story truly is lacking. The Hunger Games films are visually (mostly) stunning and the story has real potential, but the pacing and acting were off. Twilight has great potential as a story also, it just lacks good acting and direction. I haven't seen Divergent or The Maze Runner. I would, I just haven't.
-You should have asked the target audience personally what they think of these films. Chances are (as both of my teenage sisters adore all of these franchises), they would love them. Which speaks volumes in relative success. Your point about "who is targeting who" is irrelevant when it comes to disliking something. No one cares if a 50 year old man hates Divergent because it's not aimed at him.
-As for the CBM counter-point, modern CBMs really are not marketed towards children. There was relatively heavy violence in The Winter Soldier, sexual references in the Iron Man films, and terrorism in the Dark Knight trilogy. The only CBMs off the top of my head that could be considered "made for kids" could be the Thor and Spider-Man films and maybe The Avengers. Even then, the kids are not THE target audience, just one of them. Marvel Studios, Fox, Sony, and WB all know damn well that men from 13 to 30 love this shit.

I just think you could have either fleshed out your ideas better (as usual, since these all seem to be very spur of the moment) or you could have been less biased.
sikwon
sikwon - 2/25/2015, 8:31 PM
My daughter is 17, I got her into books from birth. As a result I've read alot of YA books. Some are just terrible. Others aren't bad. Mostly the movies aren't very good and they just don't translate well to movies. And then alot of the casting is less about acting ability and more for the beautiful person factor.
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 2/26/2015, 4:44 AM
Because they suck.

Sorry, to everybody that likes them, I tried to watch the Hunger Games and for every cool moment there is an equally cringe worthy moment....

Their just not for me
MarvelousAgentX
MarvelousAgentX - 2/26/2015, 6:43 AM
I can't, or won't speak for everyone, but I know that those movies are not made for me. I did not watch any of the Twilight movies. I have Divergent on the DVR but have not watched it yet. I watched Maze Runner with my daughter and found it boring and slow. These movies are not meant for a man in his 50's. I don't hate them, I just recognize them for what they are.
Carl
Carl - 2/26/2015, 7:49 AM
Hunger games is a rip off of a much better movie called battle royal, it did not pull its punches when it came to violence.
hunger games is the most non violent "violent" movie series ive ever seen.
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 2/26/2015, 5:33 PM
I've been saying for a long time now that if Hunger Games was a graphic novel, most people on here would love it. The Hunger Games movies have been incredible, and yes there is a point to the love triangle (most on here would eliminate all the love interests from cbms too though. I guess most of you are just too immature to want anything other than action all the time.) Divergent was very good too.
01928401
01928401 - 2/26/2015, 8:12 PM
@Lhornbk Or maybe some of us are mature enough to think that just because a man and a woman are in the same room, they don't have to fall in love or sleep together. Forced romances are annoying. Like Ron and Hermione from HP. Rowling herself admitted she regrets writing that relationship in. They just fell in love to fall in love. It had no effect on the story and was not natural at all, book or movie. Haven't seen Mockingjay yet, but that's how I'm feeling about Gale and Peeta. "Hey look, a girl and a boy, they must want to kiss because it only makes sense for them to kiss." It seriously does get old.

Tony and Pepper is the only naturally formed relationship I can think of in any recent CBM. Steve and Peggy was forced and she only liked his muscles, Thor and Jane has been forced and she only liked his muscles, Bruce and Rachel was okay for what it was but it was pretty dramatic all around, Clark and Lois was forced and she only likes his muscles, etc. These movie relationships are all shallow as hell. Like I said, The Dark Knight had a deeper feeling behind it, but it doesn't help that Batman of all people concerns himself so much with a woman that clearly wants to be with someone more stable.
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 2/26/2015, 8:45 PM
@PietroMaximoff

Peeta/Katniss/Gale isn't forced or anything like that. Katniss started off loving Gale, not caring at all for Peeta, then after a series of events that occur, she learns how that she does actually care for peeta. It's had build up and such. Not just "Hey look, boy girl must be together.
01928401
01928401 - 2/27/2015, 4:26 AM
@dannramm113
Just because it didn't happen overnight like most modern movie romances doesn't mean it isn't generic and pointless. Like you pointed out, she loves this one boy first but then she hangs out with another boy and loves him now. Funny how she just falls in love with the only two boys near her age that she's around for longer than a week. It's not that I care that she falls in love, I just would also like if she has a longtime guy friend that was her age. No sexual tension or feelings. Just friends.
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