Age Of Betrayal: Marvel Seemingly Announces Relationship Between Iron Man And The Wasp

Age Of Betrayal: Marvel Seemingly Announces Relationship Between Iron Man And The Wasp

Many fans would argue that his playboy mentality is a key feature in Tony Stark's character, but is there any line the Armored Avenger won't cross? Marvel is now teasing a very interesting new pairing...

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By LiteraryJoe - Jun 12, 2018 01:06 PM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Comics
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Sure, it's true that Tony has been with a lot of notable comic book characters in the day, and that list doesn't always exclude his friends' exes. He even had a short fling with Janet Van Dyne back in the 80's, but that was when Tony still had his secret identity, and it ended abruptly when Jan discovered Tony's alter-ego, and wasn't willing to do that sort of thing to Hank Pym.


(Tony Stark and Janet Van Dyne from a past romance)

But times are changing, and with that apparently comes The Wasp's restrictions on dating friends and coworkers, for the cover of the latest issue of Tony Stark: Iron Man features the two long time Avengers locking lips in an embrace while Janet clutches onto Tony's helmet. The two are also in full superhero garb (sans masks), so there is no question as to their identity.


(Wasp and Iron Man, Ultimate Avengers)

The question is, is this just a marketing ploy on Marvel's part to help promote Ant-Man And The Wasp, which hits theatres on July 6, or could it be the other way around? Or is it possible that there is a legitimately decent storyline and reasoning behind this new relationship?

It's unknown at this time what leads these two heroes into one another's arms, but you can be sure it will all unfold dramatically when Tony Stark: Iron Man #4 hits shelves on September 19th. In the meantime make sure to leave your thoughts on the matter below!
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TomSolo
TomSolo - 6/12/2018, 7:55 AM
16 comments in and not one person made a lewd joke about the “while Janet clutches onto Tony's helmet” line?

What is this sight coming to?
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/12/2018, 8:52 AM
@TomSolo - Lol, to be honest, I didn't even notice the innuendo as I was writing it. I feel like you might be the only one who did. Kudos!
AnthonyVonGeek
AnthonyVonGeek - 6/12/2018, 8:22 AM
Tony is such a whore.
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/12/2018, 8:54 AM
@AnthonyVonGeek - This is true. When I stopped reading his comic, he was flirting on and off with Dr Doom, and I couldn't watch that relationship play out.😂
fadersdream
fadersdream - 6/12/2018, 9:40 AM
This is why I hate Iron Man and Batman: they're each used as sexual avatars for their creative teams, to the detriment of the female characters.

Social Justice aside, I really like Batgirl and She-Hulk, and the fact that they were each used as throw away jokes to bolster other characters is annoying.

Hell, every Bat family character suffers just to make Batman look better.
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/12/2018, 10:07 AM
@fadersdream - I think it's especially disheartening when you see it happen to strong female characters like Jan.

In the same breath, it's a tough thing to examine. We don't know how this will be handled yet, and Wasp has every right to bang as many dudes as Iron Man has ladies. It gets tricky when shooting for equality, because when you start treating all female characters with kid gloves based on past writers' behavior, you get trapped between trying to protect a female whilst also allowing her the same rights.

I wonder if the same reaction would be had amongst fans if the cover of a Wasp comic had revealed the relationship?

And then I fall down the wonder hole.
fadersdream
fadersdream - 6/12/2018, 10:36 AM
@LiteraryJoe - I agree, and I've thought the same thing through too.

I think it would start with taking a character like Power-Girl and, instead of justifying the boob-window, you have her say "because I like it. I look Good, and I don't need to explain it to you".

Another thing is let's say you have two characters, one has a family get murdered and seeks the revenge. The other gets raped. Just stop.

Why does every female character have to have sexual abuse as their motivation? why can't they love and protect their family, or their country or be a technological wizard... no... they were all raped in college, and it will never happen to anyone else ever again... not on there watch.

I think Jessica Jones gets away with it, but that has been changed and her rape-backstory was added to the television show.

With someone like She-Hulk it just got worse and worse, even while they were trying to deconstruct it.

Jan has gotten around pretty good already; Hawkeye, Swrodsman, Pym, Wonder Man and a couple others, and has weathered the storm a bit, but when it's Iron Man it just seems like she being used as a pawn in the STD battlefield.


For me, I guess the first step is to escape some tropes, and then quit apologizing for women wanting to look attractive.

This fine line between strong and independent or a lesbian needs to be gotten rid of.
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/12/2018, 11:46 AM
@fadersdream - Very nice, well thought out points. My friend said something that stuck with me once. He said that if writers would write stories and then genderswap their male main character, then we would have solid female characters. Is that what it takes?
fadersdream
fadersdream - 6/12/2018, 12:45 PM
@LiteraryJoe - Yeah, I think so. That's a good way to put it.
lawndart
lawndart - 6/12/2018, 11:33 AM
This crap is unfortunately already cannon and this is just a bad rerun. It sort of happened back in Avengers vol.1 number 224.
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/12/2018, 11:46 AM
@lawndart - Yeah, that's why I included a picture of one of their past romances. I believe they had multiple.
lawndart
lawndart - 6/12/2018, 8:18 PM
@LiteraryJoe - Sorry, the pics didn't all load until I got home.
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/12/2018, 8:44 PM
@lawndart - No worries, that sort of wonky stuff happens to me too, the ads can be screwy.
StaffordR
StaffordR - 6/12/2018, 11:40 AM
If there is one character that deserves a fresh start it's Hank Pym. I love the character and really hate what Marvel did to him. They made him a wife-beater, took away his sanity, his superhero identity, related and fused him with Ultron and eventualy gave him a daughter only to make her favor Janet over him. I really don't like this new relationship but it's definitely better than the stupidity with Havok. The same goes for Hawkeye and Mockingbird relationship. It was almost gross to see Spider-Man with her.

I guess writers at Marvel have some issues with love because I can't remember single happy marriage or even relationship that lasted.
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/12/2018, 1:56 PM
@StaffordR - How do you feel about his representation in the MCU?
knocturnalzen10
knocturnalzen10 - 6/12/2018, 2:51 PM
@StaffordR - don't forget they showed reed richards being better at pym particles than hank ....... i dislike pym greatly but i'll agree they've written him like a pure monster tyler perry style type of villain where he's barely redeemable. not including janet was hiding his meds from him at one point before he flipped on her
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/12/2018, 3:45 PM
@knocturnalzen10 - I feel like Hank Pym is Marvel's dirty little secret that they try to keep under the rug.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 6/12/2018, 3:52 PM
@StaffordR - As I said in my lower post, I think Hank and Janet just can't work in the comics anymore. And the Avengers is just a really emotionally unhealthy place for him to be most of the time.

All else being equal (and ignoring the realities of comicbook publishing), I'd like to see Hank go off and do basically anything else. A new start. Maybe even in one of those 50 state initiative teams (are those still a thing?).

There's something appealing about the idea of Hank setting up a new lab in Salt Lake City with a couple of Q-listers and getting back to research and exploration. Flash forward five years and Hank has outfitted the whole city with rapid public transit, communications and defense systems.

Obviously, that's not a comicbook, so I guess I'm saying "write him out of comics for a while".
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 6/12/2018, 3:56 PM
@LiteraryJoe - I think the MCU Hank is masterful. By setting him older (i.e. outside the prime competitive and reproductive era of his life), it allowed him to finally achieve some form of redemption. While in the comics, redemption will always be denied to him (short of potentially some kind of death). They didn't shy away from his darkness in the movie, but they dealt with it and set it aside.

This is why I'm so nervous about Ant-Man & the Wasp, because it's so easy to muck that up, especially by reintroducing Janet (and I'm a whole different kind of worried about her).
StaffordR
StaffordR - 6/12/2018, 5:28 PM
@LiteraryJoe - When I learned there was going to be an Ant-Man movie I was so happy. When they announced Lang as main hero I was so furious it made Wright one of my most hated directors/writers. But to answer your question: I am happy that in MCU they made him normal decent person, a scientist with conscience and that he had a family with Janet.
ScionStorm
ScionStorm - 6/12/2018, 7:25 PM
@Spock0Clock - I really like the direction he was heading in the Avengers A.I. series. Did you read those?




It's a shame that comic didn't go further. It created a real and true archnemesis for Vision.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 6/12/2018, 9:33 PM
@ScionStorm - No, sadly my recent comic reading is fairly rare. Interesting to see that they've put a clinical label on Hank's issues. Just from that snippet, it does seem like an interesting and fairly charitable take on Pym.

I'll definitely be adding that to my list of "gotta get around to" comics, though. I'm sure I can find the time for 12 modern (presumably fairly decompressed) comics.
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