"The Hobbit" Faces Extinction

"The Hobbit" Faces Extinction

Unpaid royalties may be the beginning of the end for "The Hobbit" movies!

By SpyderSpike - Jul 19, 2009 07:07 PM EST
Filed Under: Fantasy

40 years ago, J.R.R Tolkien sold the right's to his "Lord of the Rings" novels for 7.5 per cent of the future take the movies would make. Three films and over six billion dollars later, the heirs of Tolkien’s estate haven't seen a cent.

The lawsuit, now filed by the heirs against Time Warner, will be seen in the courts come October and may threaten the two "Hobbit" films into non-existence.

''Usually it's not outright thievery by the studios, but death by contract,'' said Pierce O'Donnell, the Los Angeles-based lawyer who represented the late columnist Art Buchwald in a successful case against Viacom's Paramount Pictures in 1988. ''It's an esoteric world where black doesn't mean black, and white doesn't necessarily mean white.''

Tolkien's family and the charity "The Tolkien Trust", seek over $220 million in compensation. They also wish to have the option to terminate further rights to the author's work, as the original contract lets them in the event of a breach.


Not a good sign for the fans.

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Wadey09
Wadey09 - 7/19/2009, 8:21 PM
what about hellboy 3?
ThisFan
ThisFan - 7/19/2009, 8:56 PM
yeah just move on to hellboy 3 that seems more important to me then the hobbit, i already watched 9 hours of hobbits with a ring
longbowhunter
longbowhunter - 7/19/2009, 9:01 PM
Yeah, I'd much rather see a Dr. Strange or Deadman movie. Boston Brand is a great character. I'd also like to see another Hellboy, even though the second one didnt do it for me.
superdog
superdog - 7/19/2009, 9:19 PM
Deadman would be an awesome movie. And good for the family. If the contract indeed said 7.5% then thy are entitled to the money and the greedy studios should pay up. I can't believe those movies made billions of dollars and none of it went to tolkiens estate.
ThisFan
ThisFan - 7/19/2009, 9:32 PM
they didnt think it would work and they make money so they didnt sign on to get any profit from it but now they regret that
Osiris
Osiris - 7/19/2009, 10:51 PM
I would like to see a faithful adaption of the Hobbit as I'm sure del Toro would have done, but if this all falls through then bring on Hellboy 3....
cable82
cable82 - 7/20/2009, 8:54 AM
[frick] Doc Strange, Deadman, and Hellboy...bring on the Hobbit!
batcoinja
batcoinja - 7/20/2009, 9:25 AM
so you guys would watch another average Hellboy movie rather than a new true epic that would be the Hobbit? I'm sorry yeah I do like hellboy but hellboy movies don't come anywhere close to the quality the first 3 LOTR movies were. And if The Hobbit does indeed come out it will have been at least an 8 year wait to see a new movie set in middle earth.
selinakyle
selinakyle - 7/20/2009, 10:17 AM
wow...the family hasn't seen a cent? That doesn't sound right.If it leads to the production cancellation im all for it.Hollywood is so [frick]ed up!
adamant877
adamant877 - 7/20/2009, 10:24 AM
I have to agree... I've been waiting since I was 10 to see "The Hobbit" made into a movie! I loved the trilogy, but the original story of Bilbo was dear to me and my childhood memories. Dr. Strange is cool, as is Deadman, Hellboy has already been taken care of, but the Hobbit... Yeah, I hope this all pans through!
droopy1317
droopy1317 - 7/20/2009, 11:02 AM
dam this sucks. as much i want to see another hellboy and doctor strange, i was lookin forward to the hobbit movie first. i hope this is taken care fast so we can these movies going
comicb00kguy
comicb00kguy - 7/20/2009, 11:11 AM
There is no choice here at all. I'd much rather see the Hobbit on the big screen than Dr. Strange or Deadman. The Hobbit has been a favorite of mine for over 30 years. We have the right people on board to really bring this project to life. I"ve been really looking forward to seeing these movies since they were announced.

That said, I hope the family gets their royalties. Who screwed up on that one and cut them out?
TheNameIsBetty
TheNameIsBetty - 7/20/2009, 12:27 PM
awwwwwww Unlegit

but money is money, and a contract is a deal....
Chimichanga
Chimichanga - 7/20/2009, 12:33 PM
I think the studios would be pretty stupid not to pay up here....in this day and age where movies are making over $700 million at times, what they are asking will be a drop in the bucket compared to amount of guarenteed moolah that two more well-executed Tolkien movies will bring in over the years.
EdGross
EdGross - 7/20/2009, 12:47 PM
What I try to figure out is why WOULDN'T a studio that has literally made billions of dollars on the property just pay what they are contractually supposed to? It just boggles the mind that they feel it's okay to ignore a contract, especially when the trilogy made the kind of money that it did -- not only theatrically, but on DVD as well. Amazing.
slimybug
slimybug - 7/20/2009, 1:53 PM
If Ian Holm's not coming back as Bilbo, give me one reason why I shouldn't HOPE the film's not being made.
WulfComicFan
WulfComicFan - 7/20/2009, 2:00 PM
Bastards, someone needs to murdalize the greedy b!tches, and replace them with some people who are fans of movies, so as we can get the good ones out, and the crap canned!
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 7/20/2009, 4:35 PM
I WANNA SEE HELLBOY 3 BEFORE I AND EVERYONE ELSE DIES BY 2012
thwhtGuardian
thwhtGuardian - 7/20/2009, 5:05 PM
oh come on, I love the hellboy movies, and hellbo is by far my favorite comic character...but are you all so ready to forsake the hobbit? this is going to be del torro's best movie ever.
RolandOfGilead
RolandOfGilead - 7/20/2009, 7:34 PM
How in the f*** did they miss this in the process of making 3 f***ing movies?!? You think they would have said something much sooner...you know, like when the first f***ing movie came out. This is F***TARDED!!!!
Pariah
Pariah - 7/20/2009, 8:16 PM
I could watch a million hours of hobbits, but I do also wish that we could, as other have stated, see some more of Hellboy or other projects.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 7/20/2009, 9:17 PM
DR STRANGE, DEADMAN, HELLBOY 3!!! Screw the HOBBITS! ; D
darkkami
darkkami - 7/20/2009, 11:17 PM
Tolkien Family's Tolkien Trust On February 11, 2008, together with Tolkien's publisher HarperCollins, filed a suit against New Line Cinema over the profits of the The Lord of the Rings film trilogy. This law suit may freeze the production of The Hobbit, the planned prequels for the trilogy.

The Tolkien Trust is a British charity founded in 1977 that manages J. R. R. Tolkien's estate.

Here comes round 2. Rich vs Rich. Only the Rich will win.

I personally don't think the family will halt Hobbit production. They want the movie to be released so that they can get more money from Hobbit book, toys, and games sales.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/21/2009, 6:11 AM
@ Slimybug i'm not a LOTR genius or anything, but didn't The Hobbit take place LOOOOONG before the trilogy?? why would they get the same guy to play Bilbo? isn't he older than hell?? not trying to be an ass, its a legit question lol.

also, i read a while back, that mike mignola wasn't happy with del toro's hellboy 2 and might not use him again...IF they make a third. so a third hellboy isn't even a guarantee unfortunately

comicb00kguy
comicb00kguy - 7/21/2009, 7:10 AM
EdGross: You raise some great points: Why did the studio stiff the Tolkien family on their share of the royalties? Then again, why did the Tolkien family wait so long to say anything about being stiffed? I think he answer may lie in how the contract between the family and the studio was worded. If it was for x share of the GROSS proceeds, the family would get a nice chunk of change. If however, it was a share of the PROFITS or the NET proceeds, never forget that Hollywood employs the world's most creative accountants outside of the Federal government. Those accountants could juggle the numbers to make Dark Knight a huge sea of red ink if they wanted to. This is one possible explanation.

I'm sure that the truth will come out at some point. I'm also sure that The Hobbit will be made. There's too much money at stake for all parties concerned. This is just like the Fox/WB Watchmen situation.
Scorpioxfactor
Scorpioxfactor - 7/27/2009, 3:02 AM
Dr Strange....who do we cast.....what about Sam Niel
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