My Most Favorite CBM of All-Time

My Most Favorite CBM of All-Time

Click the jump for my case-study of a vastly underrated yet still awesome and classic CBM that I feel deserves more love!

Editorial Opinion
By LP4 - Jun 26, 2011 08:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Other

I love Batman. He's always been my #2 hero right after Big Blue. This editorial is not only me talking about my most favorite and treasured CBM but it's also about a CBM that I noticed has been portrayed negatively on this site. So I'd like to clear up a lot of the confusions and or concerns about this film.

BATMAN RETURNS



Yes, yes I know the common complaints on here I've heard were how people didn't like the change to Penguin and his origin...nor the change to Selina Kyle and I know people complained that Penguin was too "sick" or "disgusting" one person actually commented one time that Burton combined Penguin with Killer Croc and that that was a big mistake.

Well to be honest...I actually LIKED the changes made to Penguin. Look I'm usually a traditionalist Batman-fan. But the old Penguin never seemed all that interesting to me, it wasn't until Burton re-imagined the character that I really actually LOVED it! Kids were supposedly scared of the way Penguin looked...but as a kid I thought it was REALLY COOL! I remember i had all the Batman Returns merchandise- toys, sleeping bags, video games etc-

As for Penguin...

let's compare shall we? ...



Yeah I think the choice is obvious. Danny DeVito was a GREAT Penguin- disgusting, spewed up bile, he was perverted LOL and plus I loved the fact that he was more "Penguin than human"

As a child I can honestly say- Batman Returns was my all-time favorite Batman film and remains that way even to this very day. And yes it was still way better than 'The Dark Knight' in my honest opinion.

Penguin also had a lot more character depth in this film. You could actually understand him better and WHY he hated Gotham so much. He was abandoned by his parents for looking 'different'...raised in the sewers by penguins and that is where he spent all of his Christmases.



Batman Returns also had the best music I've ever heard in a CBM. Danny Elfman played the score to near PERFECTION. Up to the very last scene especially when Penguin is dying from heat exhaustion and is reaching for his umbrella to wage ONE FINAL ATTACK against Batman with his dying breath...he utters these words- "Shit! Picked the cute one...I'll murder you momentarily...but first I need a cold drink of ice water!"





Plus I loved what Penguin wore in that film...crazy looking baby type victorian GOTH clothing. Here's what i copied and pasted from wikipedia that describes PERFECTLY how Penguin looked and just WHY I thought he looked sooo cool!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penguin_(comics)

"His hands were now flippers, with a thumb and index finger, and the remaining three fingers fused together. An unidentified thick, dark green bile-like liquid sometimes trickled from his nose and mouth. Instead of a tuxedo, he wore a more gothic, Victorian-style outfit, with a jabot as opposed to a bow tie. Other instances show him in black boots, a dickey, and something akin to a child's blanket sleeper, or the old long john-style underwear of the 1800s (also known as a union suit). However, Burton's design maintained the top hat seen in the comics, along with a monocle and a cigarette in some scenes. In the film, the Penguin is born disfigured and his wealthy parents throw him into Gotham's sewers. The child survives, floating down Gotham's sewers and under the city zoo, where he is taken in by a group of penguins and later joins a circus freak show. While researching the Penguin, Batman speculates that the Penguin was responsible for the disappearance (and implied murder) of several children during his time in the circus freak show"

That is just AWESOME. I know lots of kids at that time were afraid of Penguin and the way Burton re-imagined him but as a kid...I [frick]ING LOVED IT!

Please watch this video, it describes it all in grave detail!


Another common complaint is that in this film and the one prior- Batman89, Batman would KILL his enemies. Well, I know Batman doesn't kill in the comics and heck he doesn't even want to use guns because his parents were gunned down. But let's look at this in a REALISTIC scenario...if YOU were surrounded by thugs and freaks who wanted to HURT and KILL you...wouldn't you kill them? Obvious answer is HELL YES. Putting the comics separate from the films it is easy to see why Batman killed. Plus in the early comics he did kill and even used a...oh what do ya know- a GUN. Plus he didn't kill Joker, Joker was weighed down by a gargoyle from the bat-grappling hook and Penguin simply died of heat over-exposure from the flames in his sewer dwelling.

Now on to Catwoman...

Michelle Pfeiffer was THE BEST Catwoman ever. Her costume...her attitude...loved the realistic and darker look of her costume with the stitches and everything.


This was the greatest villain-alliance I've ever seen in a CBM.


So on an ending note- The action, the dark tone/mood of the film, the villains...the MUSIC by Mr. Danny Elfman all of it just worked so well together. And of course the TRUE Batman himself-

MICHAEL KEATON




Among many scenes in the film, this was one of my favorites!


One thing I wanted to see in the first 2 Burton Batman films were these two teaming up...too bad Joker died in the first film ;P



I'd also like you all to think about something really fast. Who was the REAL villain in this film? Penguin? Who only wanted loving parents and to be accepted by society? Or Catwoman? Who was a hard-working woman, treated like shit then killed by her own boss? Or...Max Shreck...the man who single-handedly orchestrated the entire plot of this film. The man who used Penguin and of course CREATED Catwoman.

Max Shreck was the REAL villain in this movie and that's the twist I loved so much. Penguin and Catwoman were his pawns in a way.

BATMAN RETURNS
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LP4
LP4 - 6/26/2011, 8:38 AM
@Neph- I don't hate Reeve or Donner. I just hated their boring films.

Compare the first two Burton Batman films and we got- Joker, Penguin, Max Shreck and Catwoman.

The first two Donner Superman films...we had a campy-ass Luthor, with retarded Otis and General Zod with the universal feminist Ursa and retard Non who only growled the whole time.

At least also in this, Burton put ACTION. Plus the stories flowed better IMHO.

LP4
LP4 - 6/26/2011, 8:53 AM
Also it shouldn't be of any surprise that a Batman movie was my most favorite CBM of all. I have said numerous times on this site that Batman is my 2nd favorite comicbook hero right after Superman.

Plus like i said...Batman has had better films. I'm not going to just say the Donner Superman films were my favorite cbms just because i'm a huge Superman-fan. No, the films like i said were- boring. BORING. BORING and more BORING.

SupermanII he even gave up his powers for most of it. And the villains were better in the Batman films. No, if I'm going to choose my favorite CBM it's gotta be one that not only told a great story but one that also managed to keep me awake and to really capture my attention.

But I agree- Michael Keaton was the GREATEST Batman ever.
LP4
LP4 - 6/26/2011, 8:57 AM
And until I see a Superman film that actually has some form of action in it, maybe...I don't know...

Superman throwing a damn punch for once

This film will remain as my favorite CBM. Again, not just for the action...but also for the story, character-buildups and musical score.

The John Williams Superman theme gives me a migraine sometimes hearing it. At least the Danny Elfman Batman scores were nice on the ears and really meshed well.
golden123
golden123 - 6/26/2011, 9:30 AM
I actually have not seen this movie. I've seen Batman(89), but I haven't watched this yet. I do know, however, that this film probably has the greatest amount of mixed reviews out of all comic book superhero movies. This article has motivated me to go watch Batman Returns in the near future and form my own opinion. So thank you and good day.
LP4
LP4 - 6/26/2011, 9:47 AM
@golden123- Well, that's what I'm here on CBM for. =D
KALel3412
KALel3412 - 6/26/2011, 9:55 AM
keaton is the best batman ever period.
LP4
LP4 - 6/26/2011, 9:58 AM
@KALel3412- Thank you my friend and I AGREE!!!

Bale pales in comparison to Keaton- the ONE TRUE BATMAN!!!

Adam West, don't get me started on that joke.
AIGALAN
AIGALAN - 6/26/2011, 10:02 AM
@ lp4 Wait are you trying to tell me Adam West aint the toughest Batman? LOL. Have to agree with you that this Batman film for the longest time was my number one. I figure lots of people here sprung their batarangs when catwoman showed up. Also, best Penguin ever.
marvel72
marvel72 - 6/26/2011, 10:30 AM
@ lp4

great choice,not my favorite but definetly one of the best batman films.

its hard to decide which one of burtons batman's is better because they both have fantastic moments.

1st batman
2nd batman returns
3rd the dark knight
4th batman begins
marvelguy
marvelguy - 6/26/2011, 10:59 AM
I liked that take on the Penguin. He clearly wasn't following the comics. At times he was a bit campy, yet the overall was gross fun.
Why did Burton kill all his villains?
LP4
LP4 - 6/26/2011, 11:21 AM
@ncreb- Thanks bro!!! Yeah man, the donner stuff is out-dated and needs to be gone, lol.

@AIGALAN- Thanks buddy!!! See you at the 4th of July pal ;D

@marvel72 and marvelguy- Yeah loved this freaken movie.
TheShadow
TheShadow - 6/26/2011, 11:44 AM
*Drops mouth*
OOOoookkk....
1.Batman Begins
2.TDK
3.Batman
4.Batman Returns

It's decent, but not my favorite.
superbatspiderman
superbatspiderman - 6/26/2011, 1:53 PM
Are you joking? Batman Returns sucks. The original Batman is a much better movie. Danny Devito as Penguin was just dumb. Penguin is not supposed to be some deformed guy he is more of a mob character. Bale is way better at being Batman and Bruce Wayne than Keaton. Say what you want about Bale's voice but I enjoy his movies alot more than Keaton's. Also this movie started the decline of Batman because after this did poorly they got Joel Schumacher to direct and we all know how that turned out.
LP4
LP4 - 6/26/2011, 2:04 PM
@SUPERBATSPIDERMAN- What dude? No way. This movie was even better than the original Batman89 film. The original was great but at times really boring. DeVito's Penguin seemed way cooler than Nicholson's Joker. Not hating on the original, i loved it and I loved Nicholson as Joker but come on dude, DeVito's penguin and Pfieffer's Catwoman were way better. The Batman franchise began to decline because Warner Bros wanted Burton to lighten up his Bat-films and make them more child-friendly thus came in Schumacher with his neon-lights all over the last two films.

And yes i know Penguin is supposed to be a mob-boss type of figure I addressed that above and why i felt the change Burton made was acceptable...at least to me anyway.

Look, I love Batman. Been a fan my entire life. Him and Superman are the two greatest. But I gotta say- Batman Returns was THE BEST not only in terms of Batman movies but also CBMs in general.

Are you seriously going to tell me these are dumb? I think these are cool and worked well together as a whole for the film.






MarkJulian
MarkJulian - 6/26/2011, 2:21 PM
Burton's films are visually all the same. Catwoman's back story made no sense and Penguin was a joke, an incarnation closer to the Adam West series than the comics. It was good but not in the top 10
LP4
LP4 - 6/26/2011, 2:23 PM
@ncreb- Furthermore dude- I agree with you yet again on all points man. Seems you and i see eye-to-eye on almost everything, thanks again for that vote man!

I thanked you on twitter but one thank you isn't enough ;D

Same for you 'marvel72' sorry i lost though guys.
LP4
LP4 - 6/26/2011, 2:24 PM
@Graphic- Closer to the adam west series? It was waaay darker and more twisted. I compared the penguins even up above.
Bandrews1
Bandrews1 - 6/26/2011, 2:55 PM
I can agree that Keaton is the better Batman, but I think Bale is a better Bruce Wayne in imo.
manymade1
manymade1 - 6/26/2011, 3:51 PM
Finally someone that doesn't think this film sucked. Personally I thought the first was still better, but I loved this film. Burton certainly did well in re-imagining Penguin and Catwoman.

Only thing I hated though was we didn't see much Bruce Wayne time with Catwoman and Penguin. Plus we didn't get to see Batman fight any enemies at the end, seeing as Penguin wasn't even a challenge.
spider1489
spider1489 - 6/26/2011, 6:13 PM
yes yes yes yes!!!! I LOVED THIS BATMAN MOVIE!!!! [frick]EN AWESOME!!!!!
LP4
LP4 - 6/26/2011, 7:28 PM
Thank you everybody. This film was a masterpiece.

@grif- I agree bro, I loved the goth settings and i loved when one scene had Batman, Penguin and Catwoman and you could see they all had dark noir type of looks, it was beautiful.
Joker11
Joker11 - 6/26/2011, 10:26 PM
I hate this movie... good article though bro!
CaptainDC
CaptainDC - 6/26/2011, 10:40 PM
Is this my favorite Batman film of all time? No it was not, but I'm not going to lie, this article made me confident in saying that I really enjoyed this film and it was a good movie. Danny Devito played a great villain and you explained it perfectly with Max Schrek's plan. LP4 fantastic article, not only is it written well, but it is also smart and enjoyable. Thanks for the insight and I can definitely agree, Danny Devito's penguin is one of a kind. Don't forget, Tim Burton was also a huge factor in making this movie great.
LP4
LP4 - 6/26/2011, 11:07 PM
@CaptainDC- Thank you my friend. It took me a little while to write it up and find the right pictures and to edit it over again. But I'm glad you enjoyed it, it's meant to be a fun article! =D

@Joker11- Hahaha thanks bro. I'm glad that despite the fact i wrote about a movie you hated you at least liked the article itself! :P
95
95 - 6/27/2011, 12:04 AM
Danny DeVito gave a great performance in that film.

I liked Burton's style for the Bat-Films.

Maybe Nolan used this Catwoman for inspiration in developing TDKR?

My favorite CBM is probably Iron Man or Batman Begins.

~rm

LP4
LP4 - 6/27/2011, 12:48 AM
^ Good stuff and I totally agree with you- DeVito was GREAT in this movie.

Iron Man was a great CBM for Marvel just as Begins was a great CBM for DC.

comiccow6
comiccow6 - 7/15/2011, 12:54 PM
Favorite batman moment ever was penguins Bite Your Nose thing in this!
sonofsamadams
sonofsamadams - 8/9/2011, 11:53 AM
Great article bro. Great dude.

Love the movie too. Don't let other people bitch ya around by saying this movie sucks.

I loved GL and people give me shit about it and I don't care.

Great Article tho, but not as good or funny as your Superman Rants :)
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