The Pope, LGBTs, and Super Heroes

The Pope, LGBTs, and Super Heroes

Today I am going to speak my mind on a fundamental flaw in society, human nature, religion, and their connections to Super Heroes and the Vitruvian Man, while at the same time, trying not to offend too many people at once.

Editorial Opinion
By AquamanEatsSeafood - Jul 29, 2013 06:07 PM EST
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I am surprised by how much people have been talking about homosexuality on this site recently. I think it went back as far as Andrew Garfield talking about the possibility of a gay Peter Parker, and then from there the issue just began to expand like a balloon. CBM User Khan, posted an article about the Superman sequel and posted his thoughts on who should play the next Batman (Matt Bomer), and there was a little backlash because the actor happens to be gay. Following that article, another article was posted by User GreenHalJordan, where he questioned whether an actor's sexual preference really mattered. If you read the first comment then you already know my stance on the matter.



Sometime today, because I don't know when exactly, Pope Francis was quoted as saying,
"If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge? We shouldn’t marginalize people for this. They must be integrated into society."

You may be saying to yourself, "What does this have to do with Super Heroes and comic book movies?" Well chill out, I am getting there. This got me thinking, this is something good Catholics already know. We don't need our spiritual-overlord-proxy to tell us this. Unfortunately there are always crazies, and they are sometimes the loudest.The whole core of christianity is this, love others. So what are the connections to Super Heroes?

There are obvious ties between the X-Men and gays. Superman is the penultimate symbol for both God, and Truth, Justice and the American way, just in super hero format. The X-Men's biggest battle is with society itself, to be accepted (you know, "God Loves, Man Kills"). Superman is a freaking over powered alien who decides he is going to help people and society move forward, instead of using them to further himself in some way shape or form. Unfortunately there are always crazies, and they are sometimes the loudest... Stryker, Lex Luthor?



"Why do we like Super Heroes?" Have you ever thought of that? Super Heroes more than anything represent the good that is in humanity. They serve as a relatable figure for ordinary people to look up to and aspire to be. But in a literal sense, we can't be them, which ironically makes them more visceral. What can we be? Have you ever heard of the Vitruvian Man?



On paper it is a naked man, but as TedEd will point out, there is a deeper meaning in there. Men and women alike are the sum of their acts, decisions and experiences, and likewise are capable of both great good and great evil.

If by now you have put two and two together than there is no need for me to get on any soapbox to tell you what you already know. Regardless I am going to soapbox anyway. I am a practicing Catholic, but there are always crazies, and unfortunately they are sometimes the loudest. Which is why I am also a part of another religion known as "Common Sense and Human Decency." For those uninitiated, it basically means that you should live your life, always trying to put more love and happiness into the world than you took away.

Take care.

EDIT: Let me just clear something up. The X-Men comics were originally intended as a metaphor for the 1960's Civil Rights movement, but today, the X-Men movies being made are all about Gays. Yes you read that right. Says who? Well, the director, for starters. And both screenwriters for X2. And Magneto himself, Ian McKellen. All of whom are gay.



Now, you probably noticed some of the more obvious clues in the movies but took them as isolated jokes -- like the scene in X2 where Iceman "comes out" to his parents and they ask him "Have you tried not being a mutant?" or the one in X-Men: First Class where Beast is in a similar situation and says "You didn't ask, so I didn't tell." William Stryker, the baddie from X2, also represents homophobia: He sent his mutant son to Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters thinking it was a "Pray Away the Powers" camp where his son could be cured, but Xavier responds by pointing out that "mutation is not a disease," again mirroring arguments surrounding homosexuality

Both are controversial social issues that lead to scare-mongering politicians talking about "saving our children"
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pesmerga44
pesmerga44 - 7/29/2013, 7:50 PM
X-men is an allegory for any one that is treated as different and has felt outcast. Predominately they are an allegory for the civil right movement of the 60's but you can replace race with anything sexual orientation, physical disabilities, mental disabilities, or anything that people will use to attack and hate you over.
tonytony
tonytony - 7/29/2013, 8:04 PM
not into gayness and never will be and will never ever support one man trying to sodomise another, never!

pesmerga44
pesmerga44 - 7/29/2013, 8:13 PM
@MrCritic115

What did Whedon do with the X-men during his Astonishing run to make him anti gay?
pesmerga44
pesmerga44 - 7/29/2013, 8:16 PM
Whedon wrote Willow as a lesbian and as far as I remember never wrote them as over sexual for the teenage boys and her being lesbian was a big thing for her in the later seasons as far as I remember haven't watched Buffy for years now.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 7/29/2013, 8:26 PM
As I stated I don't care who you are. Black, white, Asian, gay, straight, bi, woman, man, I hate all of you.
TheRaven20
TheRaven20 - 7/29/2013, 8:32 PM
Haha Levi
TheRaven20
TheRaven20 - 7/29/2013, 8:36 PM
I would like to say I agree with your stance, MrCritic115. I am a Catholic and disagree with the gay lifestyle, but I don't hate gays. It's a common misconception but those are two different things. And when it comes to casting gay actors I really don't think it matters in the slightest because they are actors and their personal life has nothing to do with how they act. Just like Orson Scott Card's beliefs should not be associated with Ender's Game, because although some may diagree with him, have nothing to do with the story itself.
GreenHalJordan
GreenHalJordan - 7/29/2013, 10:27 PM
Great article; it's good to see common sense on the site! I usually see it from Levi cuz he has no favorites when it comes to hating people. He hates everyone fair and square.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 7/30/2013, 3:33 AM
Great article.
jojofmd
jojofmd - 7/30/2013, 5:26 AM
What you fail to realize is that the Pope's comments are nothing new. Cardinal Ratziger, the Future Pope Benedict XVI wrote something similar and had the blessing of the then Pope John Paul II back in 1986. So while this is nice people realize this, it is nothing new. It's sad that the media and individuals portray the Catholic faith a certain way, when they don't really know or understand it. That shows more there misconceptions that are then spread to the masses. So the faith I know and believe in, is very different than the faith people think it is.
It has as it's always been, love the person, not the sin. That goes for EVERYONE.
jojofmd
jojofmd - 7/30/2013, 6:30 AM
What I found amazing in X2 was the accurate portrayal of one of the few openly Catholic comic book characters. They did so many things right with that movie.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 7/30/2013, 7:27 AM
I'm not catholic but I am a christian (if that makes any sense) and I agree with everything you said.
MrCameron
MrCameron - 7/30/2013, 9:42 AM
There's only one church I subscribe to, and that's the church of FIRG :P

PS, who's that guy as your avatar?
leftcoastpunk
leftcoastpunk - 7/30/2013, 9:50 AM
theres a reason why pb&j make a delicious sandwich... just sayin'
naterator
naterator - 7/30/2013, 10:27 AM
HAAAAA ....Of course the POPE would say that....how many Catholic Leaders have sodomized one another and or little kids? Too many.... Lets just integrate them into society instead of acknowledging wrong doing. Adam and Eve....nuff said. Not a homophobe. Just calling out the facts. You people DO realize that there are such things as facts and there are such things as opionions right? do not confuse one with the other. Society has simply evolved from recognizing facts as opinions....and this is a state of RETARDATION.
jojofmd
jojofmd - 7/30/2013, 12:27 PM
^Did you know you are more than 3 times likely to be sexually molested by a teacher than by a priest. Not saying it's good for the priests, its disgusting behavior that needs to be punished. However, it's a problem not with priests but with people in charge of taking care of children in general. The percentage is actually the lowest among priests.

@JokerFan, just cause you don't like the saying doesn't make it any less true.
Oxbow
Oxbow - 7/30/2013, 12:44 PM
Scott Snyder talks about how so many fans of Batman comics these days are women and LGBT...I think this applies to the industry as a whole! There is far more diversity out there then we see in the comics themselves. Garfield's recent "bisexual Spiderman" quip is just a sign of the times, as people are trying to reconcile these fictional worlds with the real one we all share.

Good stuff, my friend!
JasonGrayson77
JasonGrayson77 - 7/30/2013, 2:41 PM
I support gays on everything, marriage, equality etc. But I hate these types or articles on this website. Not because of the content, but because it's troll bait. All this does is attract bigots and hateful douchbags. I wish we could just keep this website about comicbooks. We have enough trolls on that subject anyways.
jojofmd
jojofmd - 7/30/2013, 4:46 PM
Not sure if it's being insinuated that I or others are being trolls, but wanted to clarify that just because you disagree with someone's point of view, you're not a "troll". I would think healthy debate is a good thing.
ThunderKat
ThunderKat - 7/30/2013, 10:31 PM
Naterator,

Really? That is as typical as anyone stereotyping anyone else.


The X-Men has always been an allegory for acceptance of the "weird" or "different." Fiction is wonderful in the sense that you may apply it to yourself as you see fit. As comic books were mostly intended for teens and pre-teens, feeling different, weird, unique (negatively), or outstanding (negatively) signify the core of who the X-Men are. When you try to change rather than apply it, you may as well change the name. It's the whole reason that some of the most powerful women in the Marvel Universe are X-Men, not X-Women, X-Girls, or X-Chicks.
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