TERMINATOR 2: JUDGEMENT DAY Star Arnold Schwarzenegger Wanted To Send The T-800 On A Bloody Rampage In Sequel

TERMINATOR 2: JUDGEMENT DAY Star Arnold Schwarzenegger Wanted To Send The T-800 On A Bloody Rampage In Sequel

Arnold Schwarzenegger has reflected on his Terminator 2: Judgement Day pitch, revealing he pushed James Cameron to have the T-800 boast a body count in the hundreds...all to compete with Sly Stallone!

By JoshWilding - Jul 04, 2023 09:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Terminator
Source: SFFGazette.com

Arnold Schwarzenegger has played a long list of memorable characters over the years, but Terminator's T-800 remains perhaps his most beloved and iconic. 

It's a role the actor has confirmed is now behind him, but he has no problem with lookin back at his time working on the franchise. James Cameron helmed the first two instalments (it was all downhill from there, unfortunately), and Terminator 2: Judgment Day remains an undisputed classic. 

During a recent panel at the Academy Museum of Motion Pictures (via SFFGazette.com), Schwarzenegger looked back at the sequel and admitted that his rivalry with fellow actor and friend Sylvester Stallone saw him pitch some bold ideas to Cameron for the movie.

"The reason why it became a big hit was, number one, Jim Cameron. Jim Cameron is a genius writer," the actor started. "He came up with this brilliant idea, even though at the beginning I was suspicious. He said 'I want to make you a good Terminator.'"

"I said 'What do you mean a good Terminator?'" Schwarzenegger added. "I was killing 68 people in the first one. In the second one, 'I have to kill 150. We go up! Cut their throats and shoot them with a cannon and run them over with a car.' I had to outdo Stallone. I said that my whole mission was being number one at killing amounts of people on screen."

That would have made for one bloody movie, and it's an idea that the filmmaker quickly shot down (and he didn't mince his words based on the actor's recollection)

"He said 'Arnold, stop it. You’re a very sick guy. I am gonna make sure that in Terminator 2, you’re not gonna kill one single person.' I said, 'That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. How can this be Terminator 2 without me killing anyone? At least throw a few token bodies in there.'"

The director's approach paid off and the T-800 ended up becoming one of cinema's greatest heroes, as a result. Judgement Day also went a long way in establishing Schwarzenegger as Hollywood's go-to action hero in the 1990s, something not even Stallone could compete with. 

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tylerzero
tylerzero - 7/4/2023, 9:04 AM
And so it became one of the best sequels in the history of film.
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 7/4/2023, 9:07 AM
There’s nothing more Josh than seeing a new story on here that’s a week old.
Fogs
Fogs - 7/4/2023, 9:26 AM
'Arnold, stop it. You’re a very sick guy.'

LOOL
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 7/4/2023, 9:34 AM
Cameron directs a movie where Arnold kills 68 people.
Arnold: I should kill more people in the next one.
Cameron: You're a sick guy.



TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 7/4/2023, 10:24 AM
Cameron: I’m not in the meth business. I’m in the Empire business.
mountainman
mountainman - 7/4/2023, 10:26 AM
I couldn’t see Arnold’s vision here. If the T-800 had just come back again and more evil than the first one, T2 would not have been such a great movie. The T-800 being the surprise good guy along with the amazing T-1000 made it one of the best sequels of all time.
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 7/4/2023, 11:11 AM
@mountainman -


Seeing T2 for the first time blew my mind as a kid. I was 3 when it came out but saw it when I was 6 and became a sci-fi fan ever since.


One of the Best sequels ever made.


Godfather 2

T2


Empire strikes back


Aliens.



All top the original🤝


hainesy
hainesy - 7/4/2023, 12:48 PM
@AmazingFILMporg - I'm older than you. I had just turned 19 and went to the a Thursday night early premier the day before it came out because I was leaving for army basic training the next day. Lined up for 6 hours on Yonge Street in Toronto so that we could be one of the first in line and get good seats.

Agree with your list, although Aliens is the only one I could argue against. Amazing movie, but the original might be a bit better. Veyr close though.
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 7/4/2023, 12:54 PM
@hainesy -


I love alien but aliens to me improved on the horror and suspense for me. Having so many aliens and the stakes were higher. Also Ripley was alot more likable in the sequel and introducing a kid just made the stakes even higher and it added the action elements which blew me away💪
mountainman
mountainman - 7/4/2023, 1:14 PM
@AmazingFILMporg - I saw T2 in theaters with my dad and it blew my mind. I’ll agree with all these sequels being better than the originals. A few more:

- Spider-man 2
- Captain America Winter Soldier
- X2
- Rambo: First Blood Part 2
- Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 7/4/2023, 1:24 PM
@mountainman -


One of the sad parts of cinema is that those groundbreaking film experiences will probably never happen again.


With special effects getting better and the audience pretty much seeing every trope, it's clear that alot doest impress us anymore.


The last film that truly amazed me was endgame. That film blew my mind. The fact that everyone involved new the mission and executed it was mind-blowing.


There have been better films than endgame obviously but that feeling of *woah😳* is becoming rare😑
mountainman
mountainman - 7/4/2023, 2:53 PM
@AmazingFILMporg - Everything goes in phases. There will also never again be a book series as popular as Harry Potter.

There are new popular things. Most stuff I’m not into. But some live streams get tens of millions of people watching them. Large events inside of Roblox or other online games can have large audiences. The current Taylor Swift tour will be the largest money making tour in history.

But yeah you are right. Big impactful movies are going to be much less common. I doubt they will fully go away though. No Way Home was huge. Mario was the 2nd highest earning animated movie ever. Avatar 2 made boat load a of money.

But to your point, I don’t know if we will ever get a CBM moment quite like the portal scene in Endgame. Even if Secret Wars has something bigger, it will still be similar.
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 7/4/2023, 2:58 PM
@mountainman -


I think you missed my point. There will be big films. There will be boxoffice record breakers but I'm talking about those films that have you like *😳*, like T2 . Films that you never knew we're even possible.


It's like the horror genre. There are hit films and scary films but there will never be another exorcist or Halloween as far as impact because we are so desensitized and spoiled .




We have seen it all😳
mountainman
mountainman - 7/4/2023, 3:10 PM
@AmazingFILMporg - Yeah that makes sense. Even the ones that do surprise you for being good, like Joker or John Wick, often take a lot of inspiration from elsewhere. Everything Everywhere All At Once may be one of the exceptions. I think 1917, at least with the gimmick of the entire movie in a “single shot” was really unique as well. But it’s so much different now that we’ve seen so much.

Same with TV. We will never have another Seinfeld, Breaking Bad, The Wire, early seasons of the Simpsons, etc. There is a TON of good TV today. But it just isn’t as unique and groundbreaking as it used to be.
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 7/4/2023, 3:19 PM
@mountainman -


Exactly 🤝
mountainman
mountainman - 7/4/2023, 3:44 PM
@AmazingFILMporg - Maybe this all ties into the declining box office revenue overall. People just aren’t as wowed by movies as they used to be.

My prediction is we will see fewer, or at least cheaper blockbusters. So many are making $500 million and losing money or just profiting a little bit. If the budget was lowered from $200-300 million down to $100 million, the break even point will be lower.

And to the point of my previous comment, I think unique experiences will be found in new places. Music events. Live art installations, like Meow Wolf. New Sports (and eSports). Maybe VR will take off more than it has. Other live events. Etc.

All trends come and go. The cinema isn’t gone, but it isn’t the same as when we were kids and young people wanted to go to the movies every weekend.

The 90’s were such a cool time. We’ve been saturated with content since. And it has made it less special overall.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 7/4/2023, 8:01 PM
@mountainman - Arnold isnt a writer...or all that bright really
TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 7/4/2023, 10:49 AM
He was thinking he was a horror monster. James was like "nah, imma make you a step dad."
MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 7/4/2023, 10:53 AM
Part way through reading the quotes I switched into thinking it in Arnold's voice, and it immediately made me smile.
hainesy
hainesy - 7/4/2023, 12:45 PM
@MosquitoFarmer - I can't anything related to Arnold without reading it in his voice. Iconic.
AnthonyVonGeek
AnthonyVonGeek - 7/4/2023, 12:02 PM
James when talking to Arnold…
Batmangina
Batmangina - 7/4/2023, 3:59 PM
TERMINATOR 3 IS NOT THAT BAD. There. I said it.




Change my mind.
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 7/4/2023, 6:10 PM
There were always conflicted reports about who came up with the idea, for a lot of time people claimed Arnold was the one who demanded the T-800 to be "the good guy" because he was trying to change his public perception (which is what he always wanted, he wanted to play Reese in the first movie).

I always said that the only way for a sequel to T2 to work, was making the T-800 the villain again, and Dark Fate tried that...for less than 30 seconds, and then they turned it into the comic relief.
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