SPIDER-MAN 4: 6 Reasons Marvel Should Include The Venom Symbiote In Spidey's MCU Next Trilogy

SPIDER-MAN 4: 6 Reasons Marvel Should Include The Venom Symbiote In Spidey's MCU Next Trilogy

Spider-Man: No Way Home ended by leaving a piece of the Venom symbiote on Earth-616, and while Marvel Studios is likely tempted to move on from that, we think it's time to finally focus on the alien suit.

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By JoshWilding - Apr 25, 2024 12:04 PM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man

Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures are still working on Spider-Man 4, a movie we hope is the first instalment of a new trilogy. Venom and Spidey never met in No Way Home, but the groundwork was laid for Peter Parker to eventually don the symbiote. 

That may have been a Sony-mandated stinger, of course, but if that is where we're headed with a new series of street-level stories, then it should be an exciting few years. Whether the Multiverse sees Tom Hardy's Eddie Brock become a permanent resident on Earth-616 or Marvel Studios does its own thing with Venom, the possibilities are endless.

In this feature, we explore how the symbiote could reshape the upcoming Spider-Man movies and carry Tom Holland's wall-crawler into an astonishing new era of storytelling. 

To see where we think Spidey could go with his nifty new black suit, click on the "Next"/"View List" buttons below...
 

6. Peter Parker Gets A Powerful New Costume

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In an ideal world, Peter Parker would have travelled to Titan in Avengers: Infinity War and returned to Earth with a new, alien costume. Of course, things didn't play out that way, and we ended up with Spider-Man: No Way Home's mid-credits scene instead. 

Given Venom's sentience in Sony's Marvel Universe, watching the alien interact with Peter might be fun. However, the web-slinger's symbiote is likely another of Venom's offspring (similar to Carnage) and, in the MCU, will hopefully be little more than a sinister alien symbiote in line with its comic book counterpart rather than a character with a personality in its own right. 

Either way, given Spidey's penchant for switching up his big screen costumes, something tells us his new alien suit could become a semi-permanent addition to the hero's wardrobe, particularly given his mindset after being forgotten by the world. Plus, think of all those new abilities to replace his Stark tech...
 

5. A New Thanos-Level Threat

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Thanos may be dead and gone, but Marvel Studios has plenty of new big bads they can introduce over the next few years. While we still don't know what's planned for Kang the Conqueror, Galactus is on the horizon and we'd bet on Mister Sinister not being too far behind. 

Back in this corner of the MCU, Marvel Studios' relationship with Sony Pictures could lead to the introduction of Knull. A primordial God of the void who existed before the universe, he was enraged when the Celestials despoiled his Dark Kingdom with the Light. In retaliation, Knull created the symbiotes and used them to wage war against all of existence, but ended up imprisoned by his alien army inside Klyntar.

The MCU already has some ties to him in the form of Thor: Love and Thunder's Gorr the God Butcher and the Necrosword, so Knull emerging as a Multiversal threat who brings Spider-Man and Sony's Venom together is a very real possibility. 
 

4. A Symbiote Invasion

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What's the appeal of bringing Knull and a possible army of symbiotes to Earth? Well, for starters, we could see Captain America, Thor, and Doctor Strange all forcibly bonded with these aliens with only Spider-Man (and maybe Venom) left to fend off the mind-controlled Avengers. 

That has the makings of an amazing movie, and even if it just winds up being one or two MCU characters who find themselves wearing new alien costumes, it's an enticing prospect. Marvel already shifts a tonne of merchandise featuring "Venom-ized" heroes, so this being the endgame in Spider-Man 6, for example, makes sense to us.

Spider-Man being a street-level superhero seems to be where the franchise is heading, and adding a fantastical element like an alien suit wouldn't necessarily take anything from that (especially when it makes narrative sense for Peter to embrace his dark side in the wake of May's death). 
 

3. Venom Gets Some Much-Needed Input From Kevin Feige

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Sony Pictures owns the film rights to Spider-Man and that means they're able to do whatever they wish with these characters (within reason). Leaked "Sony Hack" emails confirmed that Kevin Feige offered some input with The Amazing Spider-Man 2, but he's not heavily involved. 

However, should Venom find his way into the MCU, then the Marvel Studios President can find ways to improve him. Venom: The Last Dance might be where Hardy's time as Eddie Brock ends, but if Feige is involved in a Spider-Man/Venom crossover - even if the actor plays a Variant - then we're sure the anti-hero/villain would benefit greatly. 

Whether it's enlisting Marvel Studios' talented concept artists to redesign Venom's appearance or completely overhauling the character (similar to the Spider-Man 2 video game), in Feige we trust. After all, a post-Avengers: Secret Wars MCU might look totally different...
 

2. The Fight We've Been Waiting For

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Spider-Man vs. Venom is one thing, but Spider-Man vs. Venom vs. Carnage? Well, that would be on a whole other level. "Maximum Carnage" hasn't aged particularly well, but it was one heck of an event story, with Spider-Man joined by the likes of Black Cat, Captain America, and Deathlok in an effort to put an end to Cletus Kasady's murderous rampage across New York City. 

By bringing these characters into the MCU - which would be very easy if Venom: The Last Dance really does end that franchise - we could see Spidey go from battling the Kingpin alongside Daredevil to fighting, say, Scorpion, and then tackling a threat as huge as this. 

It doesn't even necessarily have to be "Maximum Carnage," but Marvel Studios getting involved with what is sure to be an unmissable crossover would be a good thing for everyone. Just like now is the right time to tell street-level stories with Spidey, embracing the alien suit and its baggage can take the character to spectacular new places. 
 

1. A New Venom

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With Venom about to smash his way into Spider-Man's world, it's not just Peter Parker that Eddie Brock could have an impact on. Mac Gargan was introduced in Spider-Man: Homecoming, and ended up behind bars and badly injured after crossing paths with the friendly neighbourhood superhero.  

That movie's mid-credits scene made it clear the villain is looking for revenge, and if becoming Scorpion doesn't work out for him in an upcoming movie (and we don't think it will), then giving him the Venom symbiote would be a logical next step. This version of the character was an absolute beast, hulking over his foes and taking great delight in eating...everyone.

This is the Venom we've met dialled up to 100. Similar to how the aforementioned Spider-Man 2 game put Harry in the suit, the MCU could ditch Eddie altogether and tell a two or three-movie arc with Scorpion which culminates with him becoming the monster you see above. 
 

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ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 4/25/2024, 12:47 PM
I mean I'd be fine with Gargan being Venom because it actually gives him something to do since he appeared years ago.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 4/25/2024, 2:06 PM
@ModHaterSLADE -
Yeah, MCU's Venom should be Gargan. Start him off as Scorpion having recovered and modified Doc Ock's tentacle with the help of Tinkerer.

It allows a natural continuation from the post-credit of Gargan trying to find Peter's identity and set-up his team to take down Spider-man.

Peter would be pissed that out of everyone to forget about him, Scorpion still remembers their interactions (as Scorpion's history and grudge with him is unrelated to his identity being revealed)
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 4/25/2024, 2:53 PM
@Scarilian - Yeah, I'd be cool with that because Gargan desperate to find Spidey's identity just seems like it was meant to be picked up for a future project with him being a possible antagonist.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 4/25/2024, 12:51 PM
I mean be fine with Pablo Lyle being Uncle Ben vecayse achually giives 7875gk
IAmAHoot
IAmAHoot - 4/25/2024, 12:52 PM
How about because they teased it?
PC04
PC04 - 4/25/2024, 12:56 PM
Spider Slayer Program + Mac Gargan (Scorpion) & JJJ story line I think needs to be up next. Venom should come in to play at some point. Alan Ritchson would make a great Eddie Brock or as ModHaterSLADE suggested, just have Gargan be Venom. Gargan can have his Scorpion costume. He get's trashed by Spidey. Get's an upgraded suit courtesy of the "Spider Slayer" program. At some point the venom symbiote can even bond with him making that crazy Scorpion-Venom combo even.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/25/2024, 1:01 PM
@PC04 - I like the idea of even Gargan just going into being Venom in this version rather then Scorpion

Michael Mando has the capability to do well in that role.

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PC04
PC04 - 4/25/2024, 1:05 PM
@TheVisionary25 - Yes he would be great given the opportunity to flesh out the character. I liked in the 90s Spider-man show Gargan was pissed off that he was trapped in the Scorpion suit. It made him somewhat sympathetic and multi-dimensional. Like, yeah he's a convict and a bad dude, but the fact he's tortured by his inability to escape his suit causes him anguish is a really good angle to play up.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/27/2024, 11:02 AM
@PC04 - I think having Gargan get his Scorpion costume from Smythe (who is on Kingpin's payroll) could already happen in Spider-Man 4. No symbiote required.

I do like the idea of maybe Smythe already using the symbiote to kinda glue the Scorpion suit to Mac Gargan, with SM4 ending with the symbiote buggering off before Spider-Man gets it in Secret Wars.
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 4/25/2024, 1:02 PM
We can comment on a "...Reasons Why MCU should..." thread now?
MCUKnight11
MCUKnight11 - 4/25/2024, 1:07 PM
Despite recent comments about regurgitation, Alan Ritchson is still my top choice for Eddie Brock. If not, I won't be surprised if they took notes from the games and have Harry as the host.
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Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 4/25/2024, 1:14 PM
@MCUKnight11 - Ritchson as venom is a fantastic idea! 👍🏻
PC04
PC04 - 4/25/2024, 2:20 PM
@MCUKnight11 - In full agreement. Been saying that for a while now. He would've made a great Flash Thompson as well to later become Agent Venom, but maybe we'll never see that.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/27/2024, 10:57 AM
@MCUKnight11 - having Harry as the host does have my preference, since it's only really been done in the game and the Ultimate Spider-Man show.

We've seen Scorpion/Venom a few times already, and the same goes for Harry/Goblin and Eddie/Venom. The latter two have been in two seperate movies even.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/25/2024, 1:35 PM
Honestly , the setup that the end of NWH provided would be a nice gateway for Peter to get the Symbiote…

He’s isolated from everyone and could be dealing with grief still due to Aunt May’s death aswell as anger & loneliness which could give the Symbiote all the ammunition to latch onto him.

It would just have to go from Mexico to NY but I’m sure they could come up with some way to do that.

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ChrisRed
ChrisRed - 4/25/2024, 1:45 PM
SM4 - Invasion of the Spider-Slayers (Smythe, Scorpion and Black Cat)

SM5 - Introduction of the black suit (Hobgoblin, Gwen and the Osborns)

SM6 - Gargan becomes Venom (Symbiote invasion)
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/25/2024, 2:20 PM
@ChrisRed - would be interesting to do Hobgoblin before Green in the MCU (I guess we already got him with Dafoe).

Warren Kole for Hobgoblin

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bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/27/2024, 11:09 AM
@ChrisRed - I kinda wanna see something similar, but without the Symbiote invasion. I rather see Sinister Six as Spider-Man's endgame:

SM4 - Spider-Man & Daredevil vs Scorpion (with a Smyther suit), Black Cat and Kingpin.

Secret Wars - Spider-Man gets the symbiote and starts using it

SM5 - Spider-Man ditches the symbiote, which moves onto Harry

SM6 - Spider-Man versus a Sinister Six comprised of Doc Ock, Vulture, Mysterio, Scorpion (with the symbiote?), Shocker and Hobgoblin (Ned?).

SM4 could introduce Harry and SM5 Miles, who gets his powers in SM6.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 4/25/2024, 2:20 PM
I hope he doesn’t get the suit until the second movie in the trilogy. I’d like to see him be in some grounded fights first then get a power make over
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/27/2024, 11:12 AM
@MyCoolYoung - I agree. I wouldn't mind it either if he gets the symbiote in Secret Wars, so that when SM5 rolls around he's already been using it for a while
marvel72
marvel72 - 4/25/2024, 2:42 PM
They have already teased it, So after Sony is done with Venom for the time being,Disney Marvel can slowly build to Venom.
S8R8M
S8R8M - 4/25/2024, 2:42 PM
TH SP4 should start the new trilogy with him saying, you know what? Lets give the people what they want and go with Miles!
BlackStar25
BlackStar25 - 4/25/2024, 2:51 PM
We dont need 6 reasons...Its just time!
JFerguson
JFerguson - 4/25/2024, 3:05 PM
Hope he gets the symbiote in secret wars. A violent Spidey during an Avengers level event is something to fear
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/27/2024, 11:00 AM
I don't think the symbiotes as overarching narrative is really necessary, I rather see Spider-Man's endgame be against the Sinister Six (which I guess could include Venom).

For Venom specifically though, I hope Spider-Man gets the symbiote in Secret Wars so that he spends some time with it before it becomes the focus in SM5. They could do Gargan as Scorpion in SM4 already as Kingpin's muscle, with a suit that's courtesy of Smythe and JJJ.

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