Has Punisher Actor Jon Bernthal Walked Back On His MCU "Nonnegotiable" For SPIDER-MAN: BRAND NEW DAY Role?

Has Punisher Actor Jon Bernthal Walked Back On His MCU "Nonnegotiable" For SPIDER-MAN: BRAND NEW DAY Role?

Following the news that Daredevil: Born Again star Jon Bernthal will return as The Punisher in Spider-Man: Brand New Day, it sounds like the actor might have had to change his one MCU "nonnegotiable."

By JoshWilding - Jun 21, 2025 09:06 AM EST

It was back in January when The Hot Mic's John Rocha claimed that the then-untitled Spider-Man 4 would see Tom Holland's Peter Parker team up with Jon Bernthal's Punisher to do battle with The Hulk. 

The rumour was hard to believe, but then the ones that frequently come true often are when we first hear them!

Yesterday evening, the trades confirmed that Bernthal has been tapped to star in Spider-Man: Brand New Day, and while the Jade Giant's return remains unconfirmed, the movie is shaping up to be very different from what we expected. 

Bernthal's Punisher made his MCU debut in Daredevil: Born Again after previously playing the character in Netflix's Daredevil and two seasons of his own spin-off series. His return was celebrated by fans, and over the years, the actor has become synonymous with the role.

In the Man Without Fear's Disney+ show, Frank Castle brutally killed members of Mayor Fisk's Anti-Vigilante Task Force and was ultimately captured by them. A post-credits scene teased his escape, and while a "Special Presentation" is on the way, how can the R-Rated killer fit into a PG-13 movie?

That's a question for another day, but The Hollywood Reporter has included an interesting tidbit in its piece confirming Bernthal's Spider-Man: Brand New Day role.

"Curiously, one nonnegotiable he had for his return to Daredevil was maintaining the character’s violent, R-rated feel," the trade writes. "It will be interesting to see how that translates into the more kid-friendly tone of the Spider-Man movies."

It's a valid point, but Spider-Man: No Way Home saw Aunt May die at the hands of the Green Goblin, and Peter has gotten pretty bloodied in each of his MCU solo outings, so it's not like the PG-13 franchise is that kid-friendly.

While Bernthal has seemingly walked back on his "one nonnegotiable," it's hard to blame him when it means bringing The Punisher back to the big screen alongside an actor, Holland, whom he helped land the role of Spider-Man.

We definitely don't anticipate seeing anything as violent as Daredevil: Born Again, and how will Spider-Man feel about working with a vigilante who murders the criminals he encounters? Spidey doesn't kill, but he came close after fighting Norman Osborn. And will Daredevil at least show up in a cameo role? Here's hoping.

Spider-Man: Brand New Day shares a title with a controversial era of storytelling, which saw Marvel Comics give the wall-crawler a fresh start by ending his marriage to Mary Jane Watson and making his identity secret again. He faced many new sinister foes during that time and was surrounded by an overhauled supporting cast, including a resurrected Harry Osborn.

Mister Negative, Jackpot, Menace, and Carlie Cooper were some of the standout additions to his world, and are among the most likely possibilities to make an appearance next summer. You can learn more about how "Brand New Day" may influence the next Spider-Man movie here

Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings helmer Destin Daniel Cretton directs Spider-Man: Brand New Day from a script by Chris McKenna and Erik Sommers. Tom Holland leads a cast that also includes Zendaya, Sadie Sink, and Liza Colón-Zayas.

Spider-Man: Brand New Day will be released in theaters on July 31, 2026.

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TheyDont
TheyDont - 6/21/2025, 9:22 AM
Money.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 6/21/2025, 9:24 AM
Yeah , I’m curious about that aswell unless they do lean into Franks violent nature in service of the story (maybe still not as much as the shows but moreso then we think)…

After the events of NWH , I can see Peter as time and distance have grown that he has perhaps become more isolated and even angry due to having lost his friends and Aunt May (perhaps even checks up on MJ and Ned possibly regretting his decision to stay away from them) and that’s when Frank comes in who is filled with pain and loss aswell as he goads Peter into giving in because it’s the only right way to deal with these criminals or could even try to dissuade Peter from heading down the same route as him due to maybe finding out he’s still a “kid” etc.

There are certainly dramatic avenues they can go so I hope DDC & his team capitalize on that.
MisterBones
MisterBones - 6/21/2025, 9:32 AM
The check will make him walk it back for now. There are ways to sell his brutality even in a PG13 method. Obviously won’t be as visceral as the tv side but some creativity can help make up for it.
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 6/21/2025, 9:40 AM
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KingZero
KingZero - 6/21/2025, 9:43 AM
Shouldn't be too hard really. They can show the aftermath, or imply brutality. The pencil trick from Dark Knight, Bane crushing Dagget's head in Rises, the decapitation in Doctor Strange, the imploding head in Multiverse of Madness, the execution of Taskmaster in Thunderbolts... These are all 12A/PG-13 movies. Most of them are in the same universe. There are countless others in the "family-friendly" category- look at Indiana Jones.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 6/21/2025, 9:46 AM
@KingZero - agreed

There are certainly ways to work around it such as implication…

Your mind can usually come up with worse things then what you see.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 6/21/2025, 10:47 AM
@KingZero - Yup, a lot of the time it only requires reducing blood splatter or ONLY seeing the blood pooling whilst avoiding showing the fatal blow that causes it so ample ways the tone of the character can work within a 12A/PG-13 without it slipping into the 15 category in the UK (which would be R in the US).
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 6/21/2025, 10:55 AM
@KingZero - I mean, Anakin cut off Count Dooku's head in Episode 3 and we literally saw it rolling around on the ground. (It was an awesome scene and great camera work to manage not to look silly)

But my point is I tend to agree with you. Violence doesnt have to show blood and gore. It can be shown and even implied in other ways.
jackbauer884
jackbauer884 - 6/21/2025, 1:40 PM
@KingZero - Blahblahblah. Punisher is a R-Rated character not PG-13.
KingZero
KingZero - 6/21/2025, 6:08 PM
@jackbauer884 - sure, but he was in Spider-Man The Animated Series so... I think there's scope for it.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 6/22/2025, 8:27 AM
@jackbauer884 - Very few comics were ever on a top shelf with any kind of age restriction on purchase and Punisher turned up in very much for younger end of comic fan content in Spider-man runs and the like thus he does NOT need to be restricted to ONLY appearing in R rated films. His own solo films and shows probably should be but ample ways to stay true to being a generaly R rated character and have a supporting role in a PG film.
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 6/21/2025, 9:48 AM
They're gonna remove the skull by the end of Daredevil season 2 and he'll be the ninja with the less offensive logo by the time he shows up in Spider-man.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 6/21/2025, 10:57 AM
@HashTagSwagg - Nah. The Punisher is back to having the skull in the comics too. And as it is they hardly ever have him wear the [frick]ing skull in the show either, which sucks.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 6/21/2025, 2:35 PM
@HashTagSwagg - will they be fighting ICE as the main villains in this one?
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 6/21/2025, 2:39 PM
@McMurdo - After the changes they made to Captain Falcon's original story, I don't think they'll be that overt.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 6/21/2025, 3:48 PM
@HashTagSwagg - let's hope you are right man.
SummersEssex
SummersEssex - 6/21/2025, 10:05 AM
The Punisher has shown up in TONS of great crossover stories, especially with Spider-Man, that don't come close to the ultra-violence in his own books. Not a problem. Hopefully once they show that it's about the character not the violence they can do the same with Deadpool and have him start popping up everywhere. bUt If hE CaN't sAy baD wORdS hE'S NoT dEadPOoL--

shut up.

Ryan Reynolds' unnecessary strings of profanity and eye-rolling sex jokes distract from what have otherwise been some pretty-good-to-great stories. Let him be crass, bring on the comedic violence, break that 4th wall all the day long, but Deadpool & Wolverine is almost down there with Love & Thunder as a movie with a great story overshadowed by ineffective 12-year-old humor, but it at least got the story across. Love & Thunder just took a beautiful story and made a joke out of literally EVERYTHING. Never felt so uncomfortable in a movie theater in my life and I took my grandmother to see 50 Shades of Grey.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 6/21/2025, 10:59 AM
@SummersEssex - I mean, Punisher's first appearance in the comics was in a Spider-Man issue lol. So you're 100% right. He's only ever ultra-violent in his own books.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 6/21/2025, 10:06 AM
Punisher and Spider-Man versus the hulk... this is a joke right?
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 6/21/2025, 10:56 AM
@bobevanz - Punisher IS one of the characters that killed the Hulk in the comics, in terms of non-super powered ones Hawkeye is another so there are ways it can work esp when Hulk has not been a villain in the true sense in the MCU even whilst having battled with Iron Man and Thor at times.

All that said the list of rumors on who he will fight and/or what other MCU characters will appear is so long it is impossible to take any of them too seriously yet.

https://www.ranker.com/list/who-has-defeated-the-hulk/stephanroget
https://www.comicbasics.com/all-of-the-hulks-deaths-in-the-comics-explained/
McMurdo
McMurdo - 6/21/2025, 2:36 PM
@bobevanz - more bastardization of the Hulk no shocker there.
SteviesRightFoo
SteviesRightFoo - 6/21/2025, 10:18 AM
What director have marvel cast to helm this one? Also RIP the MCU hulk 2008-2012
McMurdo
McMurdo - 6/21/2025, 2:37 PM
@SteviesRightFoo - based
SteviesRightFoo
SteviesRightFoo - 6/21/2025, 2:52 PM
@McMurdo - I'd like to see the character done justice in live action
McMurdo
McMurdo - 6/21/2025, 3:47 PM
@SteviesRightFoo - would be nice buddy
Astroman
Astroman - 6/21/2025, 10:46 AM
Seems his “non-negotiable” comment referred only to him coming to DD. Doesn’t mean anything about him doing a Spider-Man movie. I’m still skeptical about all this happening as a team up or big role, trades or no.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 6/21/2025, 11:01 AM
I'm not sure what people are worried about. Punisher's first appearance was literally in a Spider-Man issue. And he's made just as many appearances in less violent comics than he has his own comics. They can still show the violence, just not the excessive blood and gore.
jackbauer884
jackbauer884 - 6/21/2025, 1:42 PM
@CorndogBurglar - Stop living in the past. Nobody cares about. Punisher has to be Rated-R.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 6/22/2025, 8:42 AM
@jackbauer884 - Remind us how well all the prior three Punisher films did? I mean a solo film for him should probably be a 15 UK or 18 (ie US R rated) but for a supporting role it shouldn't be any more of a problem than someone like Blade or MoonKnight turning up in a PG crossover film/show in the same way they oft manage to make Batman work without going R rated which is a character who also kinda feels is for more mature audiences.

IF they make a great Spider-Man film that is family friendly he is featured in AND his special on D+ is well recieved the combo of those may mean we DO finaly get an R rated solo Punisher film that is both well recieved and a BO succes. Without first appearing in summut like Hollands next flick it would be highly unlikely they would try that again for a fourth time on a big screen budget.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 6/22/2025, 11:03 AM
@jackbauer884 - A Punisher solo film should 100% be rated R. I'm not disputing that. But he can have guest appearances in other characters' films that aren't rated R.

And what do you mean "stop living in the past"? Punisher still makes guest appearances in other character books that aren't adult rated material to this very day.
AnEye
AnEye - 6/21/2025, 11:41 AM
He’s getting an R rated special and already did what he sought to do in Born Again.

He’s doing this because

A) Money and exposure
B) He’s having a good time playing the character.

We need more Jon Bernthals at Marvel.
BlackStar25
BlackStar25 - 6/21/2025, 11:41 AM
Still shocked...I do not think a Punisher works in a PG13 movie
jackbauer884
jackbauer884 - 6/21/2025, 1:43 PM
@BlackStar25 - Finally someone, who understands.
1stDalek
1stDalek - 6/21/2025, 12:22 PM
You could definitely keep the R-rated *feel* of the character in a pg-13 setting, it's not like her curses a lot and having to alter his manner of speaking. Just massively tone down the blood, cut away, focus on his face or on other character's reactions when he's doing his job.

I expect they'll get plenty of humor from how intense Punisher is surrounded by a setting that's decidedly way less serious than he is.
jackbauer884
jackbauer884 - 6/21/2025, 1:43 PM
@1stDalek - Nope you cant. Stop justify this bullshit decision.
AC1
AC1 - 6/21/2025, 12:37 PM
It'll probably be pretty easy actually. Sure we're not gonna see people getting their heads blown off with shotguns, having their throats cut, limbs blown off, hung up on meathooks, faces dragged through broken mirrors and some of the super extreme shit we've seen from the character in his streaming appearances, but we've seen plenty of people being shot and stabbed throughout Spider-Man movies in the past.


Off the top of my head, we've seen two Uncle Bens shot with visible blood; we've had one Aunt May bombed and sent to the hospital and another one launched across a room and killed; we've seen Tobey's Spidey stabbed like twice, sliced up a bunch of times, and beaten to a pulp multiple times; Captain Stacy impaled by lizard claws; Gwen Stacy's skull cracked; Harry's face half blown off; two generations of Osborns impaled on their own gliders and killed; a couple of OsCorp execs vaporised; a Shocker vaporised; a decomposing zombie Iron Man; Mysterio shot and killed... Like yeah, okay, they can't go full John Wick with Punisher, but as long as he doesn't drop any F bombs there's still a lot they can do with him from an action perspective without it feeling too watered down in a PG-13 film.
jackbauer884
jackbauer884 - 6/21/2025, 1:39 PM
Can't take him serious anymore.
CapA
CapA - 6/21/2025, 3:19 PM
Punisher / Hulk / Spider-Man
All the ingredients for :

Spider-Man : Wha... What happened ?
Punisher : We had a team-up. You were great.

IYKYK
Makiveli21
Makiveli21 - 6/21/2025, 7:43 PM
It seems ridiculous to think Punisher and Spidey could handle the Hulk, so my theory is that- Punisher actually kills the Hulk. Do it like Hawkeye did in the Civil War 2 comics and shoot Hulk right in the eye as he’s transforming. This sends Spider-Man over the edge, he takes down the Punisher and embraces the power of the symbiote. Post credit scene we get Hulk digging out of his own grave, leading us into my favorite Hulk story in the last 30 years- Immortal Hulk. (I’m sure none of this will happen but that’s how I would do it)
CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 6/21/2025, 10:35 PM
So we'll make him a joke just like DD in She-Hulk. They never learn.

Daredevil is a much better fit if they were trying to show some kind of contrast.
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