What's the deal with Marc Webb's Amazing Spider-man franchise?

What's the deal with Marc Webb's Amazing Spider-man franchise?

Ever since 2012 the Spider-man film franchise has been the Man of Steel of Marvel movies. You either love it or hate it. It got me thinking; why? Here's some ideas I've thought of that COULD be a reason but also could not. I'll leave that to you all.

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By ComicBrooks - May 30, 2014 02:05 PM EST
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What's up everyone this article is a part 2 to my Amazing Spider-Man 2 film review which if you want to you can read here http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MARVELFREEK/news/?a=100074. In this review I gave this movie a pretty positive review but as I thought about it I started to analyze exactly what flaws it had that made the movie so disliked by critics and fans alike. Then I started to back track the series to see why and how it all seems to have all gone for so many fans. That is why it took so long for me to get this article up on this site because I wanted to get my thoughts straight.  Now let me say that I do NOT hate this new franchise but I do recognize the flaws it has. I just do not let it ruin my enjoyment of the films. What I have compiled is a list of theories and ideas, that I would love if you guys could discuss in the comments, that may or may not be the reason as to why Marc Webb's Spider-Man franchise has become such a split franchise among the fans. 

1. Directorial style




Okay so one of the resons I think this franchise is so plit is well, to put it plainly, totally different directorial styles and approaches. Now I know this is an obvious one but hear me out. Raimi was already a more accomplished director and has dealt with the lowest of budgets with Evil dead and also more higher budget films like Darkman. This man knew how to action scenes and heroic feats pretty well. Now Webb has also given us some pretty amazing Spider-man action scenes. It's one of the things I praised the most in the most recent outings. But unlike Raimi this was Webb's first forray in to big action and it just so happened to be with one of the most rrecognizeable superheroes and superfero films in the world. So what we get to experience with him is him growing as a bigger budget director. The much more large thing that separates these two is that Raimi is old school 60's Spidey. This is what most of the audience is most familiar with in terms of villains and story. Raimi really cornered the market on that department leaving Webb and company to try and do something 'different', as it always is with this type of genre. What we got was the lesser known, Ultimate Spider-man origin and direction. Now everyone on this site knows that story and tone and whether or not Webb captured that or not is not the point of this article. Now as you can see they had very different ideas in how to approach this franchise;one old the other new. Whether this has worked with the people is beyond me but it is a GREAT segway to the next theory. 

2. Generation gap



 Now everyone knows Hollywood only cares about that mean green (no not Hulk) money; and rights of course. It is, more or less, these reasons we got a new franchise and why Raimi and company left. That and Raimi cared about what he wanted to do and wanted to give us a great movie but couldn;t make the deadline. Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that a large reason this new franchise is having issue getting footing is that there is a slight genreation gap. Personally, I spent my young childhood on the Raimi films. Those movies are the reason I got into comics and why Spider-man is my favorite hero. When the new franchise came out the age or Peter ran parallel to mine and many others and those teenage problems he went through in the first one with girls and forgetting things and just trying to be more responsible were relatable to me and made me love the character even more. Now I still love and respect the Raimi movies but the point I am trying to make is that some of the problems and habits the new Peter Parker has (except using Bing) can be seen as more relatable to this generation than the older ones (I think, I am no authority on this) . Now for those who spent their young adult lives with the Raimi franchise most likely relate to that Peter more as well. It is a matter of arguing ideals of different genreations of people and no one is either wrong nor right. Now that does not mean that there are not fans of the older films that are my age. That goes into an idea of just enjoying that more classic, streamlined 60's storyline that Raimi so eloquently translated. Some may like that more than the ultimate direction and that's fine. It is hard to argue two separate ways of thinking but this theory may only appeal to a small percentage of people.

 3. Oversaturation



I remember the good old days when there were two trailers for a film and never a teaser for a trailer. I was really hoping that after the first film Sony would have pulled back a bit on marketing this film. Instead we got four trailers; four! What is worse is they showed almost half of the movie in every trailer and TV spot so nothing would be left to surprise. They really could have kept Harry being the Goblin a surprise since he was only there for six minutes. But I digress. What I am trying to say is that this franchise so far has REALLY shot themselves in the foot with this and even cutting scenes that may or may not be integral to plot. This really aids in the hate this franchise gets because when you see the 'wow factor' scenes in the theater you simply think "I saw this already" and that is no way to see a movie such as this. Not to mention the constant TV spots. It is almost like the studio does not have faith in this themselves so they cram it down the media throats of many people to remind us to see this. It is a real shame because the franchise does not need to do all that and it would actually benefit them if they did not. 

4. Trying to keep up with Marvel studios



Marvel Studios has really put a stranglehold on the studios that hold the properties of the characters they want back. Sony is the one that seems to be buckling under the pressure.  Ever since Marvel has started to cross theor properties and succeed, everyone wants a piece of the pie. What sony plans on doing is making sinister six and the lead up was the last Spider-Man film. The screenwriters thought it would be a good idea to shoehorn this plot device in with at least three others just for a future film. The problem? By trying to set up for the future you fail to stay true to what you have and focus less on what is here in the present. So what we got was a throwaway lead up like Iron Man 2 with hardly any weight as standalone film. Because of this I started to think "What if the Webb series came out  before the Raimi series? Would there be as much backlash?" While story wise it would still be a bumpy road, I think that if Webb came out with his films first it they would have been a little more well put together because they do not haav pressure fromMarvel and Fox to out do them as much. We wouldn't have to worry about pointless open lines for other movies and each film would have been able to focus on itself as a film and nothing more. Which would aid this current franchise.But hey that's why they call it an idea right?

 So, after all of this rabble what truly is up with the Webb Spider-Man franchise? Well it goes without saying that poor writing and Avi Arad pushing so much are a given but I also feel that the series is also at the mercy of the times. Being a reboot the world was not ready for or even wanted, having marvel studios succeed with these less than well known characters and having poor marketing strategies and the onset of franchise fatigue, it is hard to succeed. I for one hope the franchise does well and if we are lucky the rights will switch to marvel and hopefully the story and cast just move over to the new studio and get fixed so we aren't subject to ANOTHER reboot.

 In closing I would like to point out that I am not an authority in any of this; they are just some ideas I had that I wanted to share so I have no idea if they are correct or not. So what do you all think? Do you have anything to add to the ideas? Agreements? Disagreements? Or a new Idea entirely? I am eager to hear your thoughts and until next time. I'm out. 
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HankPymp
HankPymp - 5/30/2014, 2:17 PM
FIRST!
HankPymp
HankPymp - 5/30/2014, 2:19 PM
Very good write up.
I agree with a lot of your points. I think it's generational gaps, circumstance, and sony trying to shoe horn in way too much to keep up with Marvel, that've been getting this new franchise so much criticism.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 5/30/2014, 2:28 PM
Great article! It's obvious you put a lot of time and effort into this, so kudos! I'm going to try to tackle your points one by one, so bear with me:

1) I don't think the directing of the TASM movies is to blame. It's true, Webb doesn't have much experience with big budget tentpole blockbusters. But he did work extensively with indie filmmaking, and he's brought a lot of the techniques he picked up there and grafted them into his TASM movies. That's why the romance between Gwen and Peter is pretty much the focal point of both movies (though I definitely think he dropped the ball on the actual structure of that romance, but that's a different conversation altogether). Point is, his directing style COULD'VE led to fantastic Spidey movies, but the problem lies elsewhere IMO.

2) The generation gap is a pretty good point actually. I have tons of thoughts on this, but it'd just lead to me ranting about how the TASM movies desperately try to make their Peter Parker into this ridiculously slick, laid-back, all-around awesome character who can do no wrong so it can appeal to the younger generation of kids these days. I'll just leave it at that haha.

3)I personally think your "oversaturation" point is an industry-wide issue, and not particular to the TASM franchise at all.

4)Now THIS is probably your strongest point. Everything in the TASM franchise is a reaction to the cinematic universe strategy that's becoming trendy now. That's why I'm not sure it's a fair question to ask how this franchise would've been received if it came out before Raimi's. If it had, EVERYTHING would be different. Most likely, there'd be no obsession with Peter's mysterious parents. There'd be no plans for a Sinister Six film or a Venom spin-off. It'd be MUCH less cynical. Honestly, it'd probably be much more like Raimi's films.

Ultimately, you're right. The biggest issue comes from the terrible writing of Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman, the poor leadership of Avi Arad, and general studio interference. But I'm fully convinced that your other points factor in heavily as well. Great job!
PAF
PAF - 5/30/2014, 2:46 PM
Sony tricked him into thinking he had creative control. Sony is running the show. They want their future "franchises" set up.
TheDarman
TheDarman - 5/30/2014, 2:59 PM
I think, one day, SONY was sitting in a board room, looking at the charts of the Marvel Cinematic Universe success and said: "hey, wouldn't it be great if we could milk properties like that?" And, so, they set out, way more unsuccessfully, to create a universe out of Spider-Man. I mean, sure, if you are going to create a universe out of one character Spider-Man and Batman are probably the best choices but just because it is the best choice, doesn't make it good. We've been talking about how these Comic Book Movies are going to fail due to oversaturation and I think, more than any other films, drawing out a Spider-Man franchise like this is going to be its downfall. Instead of trying to do a NEW Spider-Man film EVERY year, SONY should focus on making great Spider-Man films that can have HUGE profit margins because they made great product. If they make great product, they make a billion dollars every time and there is NO NEED for a [frick]ing Sinister Six film until you've built them up in Spider-Man films, given each of them room to grow and culminate SIX films with the cou de grae. The fact that they clearly want Sinister Six by the end of the next Spider-Man film scares the shit out of me. It is no longer Webb's franchise and idea moving the franchise forward but SONY and all its suits. It is exactly the opposite of that why Disney is so successful. They don't tell Marvel what to do because they have faith in their vision. The same CANNOT be said for SONY. They just need to back the [frick] off.
ComicBrooks
ComicBrooks - 5/30/2014, 3:09 PM
Thanks for the compliments guys! I appreciate them a lot!
@sauronsBANE1 I love that you shared your thoughts on this topic! I agree oversaturation is for sure a big thing in the industry now and it is insane how much of it there is!

@PAF and Darman456 I totally agree with what you guys are saying. Some good ideas should never be put into Action and yes, if they staggered spidey films instead of making it yearly that'd make the demand for them even greater. Also, I can feel that Sony has taken over and what we get for a good story is whatever remnant of Webb's idea. It's like the studio doesn't realize that they aren't really bleeding the same characters every year like Sony but giving new and fresh ideas in movies. Great comments guys.
yossarian
yossarian - 5/30/2014, 3:16 PM
A guy walked into a room with a Spider-Man script, handed it to 5 guys and was told to return in two weeks.

Two weeks later he returned and the five guys said, "We love it. Make it three movies." He asked how and they replied, "Take the first act and make it a movie. Lather rinse repeat for the second and third acts. Oh, and we will make you cram other shit in so we can do spin-off franchises."

The man declined and they bought his script and paid other guys to do what they were told.

Webb is not a good director nor is he in control of anything in these films.
yossarian
yossarian - 5/30/2014, 3:31 PM
@alpha - At this point, I think it's obvious. I mean, the first scene in the first movie is Peter playing hide-and-go-seek with his dad...but that isn't even hinted at once he finds his dad's briefcase until the opening of TASM2 when Pops was doing whatever the [frick] on the plane. Then Peter found the subway car and all...

I assure you the third film will end with his dad saying something on a recorded MP3 about how Peter needs to take his great power with great responsibility.

Anyone can say what they want about the first trilogy and that's fair. At this point, this second franchise is a heist.

But they ran the numbers and knew SM fans would pay, as would X amount of people and they can turn a profit. Congrats...we are getting what we deserve.
yossarian
yossarian - 5/30/2014, 4:01 PM
@Alpha - Yeah. I'm going to take a guess here as to how it will go. Peter will find a note or recorded message or something and ol' dad Parker will say, "Peter...because I am science smart...I gave you great power...I trust your uncle Ben instilled in you...great responsibility...I love you son."


It'll be god awful. But hey, it'll make a ton of cash and that's what matters.
QuestionDAnswer
QuestionDAnswer - 5/30/2014, 5:51 PM


Also their so called Untold Story of Spider-Man, isn't interesting. And when your main selling pitch for a new franchise isn't interesting, then there's really no point for the films to be made.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 5/30/2014, 8:36 PM
Great article. I've noticed you've put a lot of effort into your article. I'm one of those people that enjoyed TASM and i thought it was fine for a reboot of Spider-man. When TASM 2 was released i just felt like it was completely different and by that i mean it was basically terrible due to the writing and that there was basically no plot in the film, it was a series of events.

I dislike the fact that Sony is trying to copy Marvel Studios in a poor way and that they are trying to rush there Spider-man universe to the point that it over saturates TASM 2.

I also dislike the fact the way Sony is treating Spider-man and it's mythos and that it's sad Marc Webb think's that he is in control of this franchise when in actual fact Sony is in full control of the franchise.


I actually regard TASM 2 as one of the worst comic book films.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 5/30/2014, 8:57 PM
Serious question Jollem, since I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around this: Do you honestly think that all of us are just trolling or simply crazy because we dislike the TASM movies so much? Do you actually think you're one of the few sane people around, simply because you like it?

I guess I'm asking, how do you rationalize it? When you're faced with so many people who criticize the movie, are they just ALL trolls to you? Do NONE of them have any legitimate reasons to dislike the movie, in your opinion? I'm genuinely curious here, not trying to be snarky or start anything.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 5/30/2014, 10:21 PM
Haha oh God what have I done!
Lawliet
Lawliet - 5/31/2014, 7:11 AM
I agree and i can relate everything that you said here with this editorial. I'm not saying that i'm not being bias about raimi's franchise but when i watch the new ones i felt like i'm not watching spider-man here, and it gets worse in the sequel when they made a cool parker that doesn't change anything when he puts his mask. it's so sad that you see your beloved superhero getting ruined. what? the action of new spidey are cooler? yeah i can agree with that but good spidey action doesn't mean it's truer to the comics, nor it's a greatest spidey film.
RextheKing
RextheKing - 5/31/2014, 8:08 AM
I really liked the first TASM and I thought TASM2 was good too, just not that good. I feel people still hating on the fact they rebooted the franchise. Alot complaints about the film are things no complains about in other films.
Villian comes in at the end to serve one purpose - TDK
Main villian is killed - almost every CBM
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 5/31/2014, 9:09 AM
@LehnsienJaw Thank....you? I think? Haha either way, I totally agree that TASM 1 and 2 are garbage, for what it's worth.
0mega140
0mega140 - 6/1/2014, 12:12 AM
sauron, TASM 1 and 2 are great movies pathetic hater =)
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 6/1/2014, 5:08 AM
Believe me, the influence of Ultimate Spidey is very little on the Webb franchise. Webb's movies are a mixture of some twilight'isk romance with quite a few different incarnations of Spidey. It's completely incoherent in terms of character development and story telling. It's solid and all but I just feel like the guys behind it just don't really have a great understanding of who Spidey is. All I see is what someone thinks comic books are like without having read them.

"Alright, hmm, so Spidey's supposed to be a non-stop joker, kinda selfish and Gwen dies at the hands of the Green Goblin. Yep, that's all the summary I need, let's make these movies!"

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