My worries about the Superman reboot

My worries about the Superman reboot

After piecing together a lot of the quotes and articles from interviews with Christopher Nolan...I've had this theory on how he might approach the Superman reboot in 2012. And it kind of worries me...

Editorial Opinion
By LP4 - Aug 07, 2010 06:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Superman

I remember reading a few months back, in a quote about how Nolan and Goyer came to the idea of how they'd approach their Superman film...copied and pasted

"Goyer gave the filmmaker a daydream version of how he would tackle a story about the last son of Krypton.

“He basically told me, ‘I have this thought about how you would approach Superman,’” Nolan recalled. “I immediately got it, loved it and thought: That is a way of approaching the story I’ve never seen before that makes it incredibly exciting" Now this worries me, particularly because as we all know...Nolan likes to ground his films in reality. And since Goyer said that the version he daydreamed was a way that he knew Nolan would approach it...makes me think it'll be a realistic Superman, thus= NO super powers. Plus I keep hearing rumors that in the reboot, Superman won't be able to fly. I hope he won't take away Superman's powers in the film to ground him more in reality. I also remember reading a quote that Nolan is going to add a 'twist' to the Superman mythology. If he takes away Superman's powers, the movie might not do so well, it won't be the film we've all wanted...and after Superman Returns had failed...I just want to know what everyone's thoughts are on this and if there is any grounds to believe Nolan might actually go that route...?

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airbeyonder18
airbeyonder18 - 8/7/2010, 7:13 PM
Hey man, welcolme to CBM.

I don't think you need to worry. If you saw Inception some of the elements of the film were grounded in reality yet it was fictional in many ways. If you saw The Prestige it was a realistic tale that had it's elements of fiction. I think Nolan understands that he can't base every film he makes on realism. It's just that in his Batman movies he realized the best way to answer the "Why can't anyone make a decent Bat-Film" question was to ground those movies in realism.

Great Aarticle though. It's always good to think about these things.
comicdreamer
comicdreamer - 8/7/2010, 7:14 PM
No way... Nolan would never...
comicdreamer
comicdreamer - 8/7/2010, 7:17 PM
I agree with airbeyonder, watch the Prestiege and Inception. Nolan can blend fiction and reality very well, it just so happens he decided to take a more realistic approach with Batman.

BTW, welcome to CBM!:)
matt28
matt28 - 8/7/2010, 8:11 PM
yea i think he will do it fine
AVEN
AVEN - 8/7/2010, 8:23 PM
I'm sure only about one something, Nolan's brothers won't make any crossover in this superman version

;D
LP4
LP4 - 8/7/2010, 8:35 PM
@airbeyonder18 & comicdreamer- Thank you both for your warm/kind welcome.

I've actually been a member for many months but this is indeed my first article =)

@matt28 & AVEN- Thank you for your added input. Thanks all 4 of you =)
patriautism
patriautism - 8/7/2010, 9:26 PM
Dude I wouldn't worry, I don't think there is any way to ground Superman in reality.
I think what he means is make the origin and reason for the powers a little different.
DudeOfSteel16
DudeOfSteel16 - 8/7/2010, 10:53 PM
I wouldn't worry about it. I think Nolan is smart enough to know that Superman has to have his powers. Airbeyonder18 made a great point on Nolan's style of movies.
LP4
LP4 - 8/8/2010, 12:54 AM
@Superguy1591- Yeah, I agree that in terms of action and movie-styles, Michael bay would be a great director for Supes. But yeah, his stories seem a bit...shallow. But yeah, let's hope Nolan gets this right.

LP4
LP4 - 8/8/2010, 1:31 AM
Also...it's been a good, long 6 months since the reboot was first announced. I hope Nolan can at least let us know who our new Superman will be. The anticipation for this film is high...
Denn1s
Denn1s - 8/8/2010, 9:41 AM
sounds intersting but for an elseworlds comic. not an actual movie.
naterator
naterator - 8/8/2010, 12:25 PM
NOLAN WOULD FIND NO FORGIVENESS IF HE WENT TO THAT EXTREME... PEOPLE WOULD BE BEGGING FOR A SEQUEL TO RETURNS IMMEDIATELY THEREAFTER. I have faith in the NOLANS...it will be great.
DGNR8
DGNR8 - 8/8/2010, 3:29 PM
@Superguy1591...you took the word's right out of my mouth Nolan is smart enough to realise the differences in the two hero's
Batman is NOT a "super-human" he has no super powers and if anything is more of a vigilante than a "super hero" making it easier to ground the Bat-films in reality
Superman however IS the "original super hero" everything about him is...well SUPER...Nolan will know not to treat them both the same i believe Nolan's Superman will be grounded in reality - but in "Superman's reality"...if that make's any sense
LP4
LP4 - 8/8/2010, 4:55 PM
@DGNR8- I'm interested in what you meant by "Superman's reality" ??

I hope this is indeed the case =)
naterator
naterator - 8/8/2010, 6:43 PM
perhaps it will be made in the style of memento... not in that the movie runs from end to start ...but in that its a first person account... its been said that ck will be the dominant character in the movie...so maybe in that style will supermans reality be brought to the silvefr screen... that would be weird
LP4
LP4 - 8/8/2010, 9:37 PM
I hate the idea of Clark being the dominant focus. I don't want a boring clark kent film.

We want Superman dammit. Nolan better not [frick] this up.
r0r5ch4ch84
r0r5ch4ch84 - 8/8/2010, 10:02 PM
http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/214/d/3/Superman_At_Last_by_Danieltiger13.png

I wish I could just post a pic here instead of the damn link...*sigh*
Supes17
Supes17 - 8/8/2010, 10:48 PM
He will do A good job. He made the batman franchise realistic without taking away its heart. He is still BATMAN. Just look at him gliding, just look at the joker's evil smile, its still there.
He wont change who superman is, that would be like batman wityhout a batmobile(or batpod).
He knows that realism isnt a good angle for Superman. The reboot will be something we've never seen before, like Superman 1978(Which is the superhero film that inspired him)
Voltage101
Voltage101 - 8/9/2010, 1:00 PM
Hey guys, this is my first post, new to this site. But yes, I agree with the majority of people here, Nolan will not meddle with Superman's core elements. In a recent interview he said that it's important to capture the essence of each comic book character on the big screen.

Wish I had the video to share, maybe some of you can recall which one I am talking about :)
CyberA
CyberA - 8/9/2010, 4:48 PM


Maybe Nolan can some how combine the 'realistic' powerless Superman concept with what everyone obviously wants, which Superman with some freakin' SUPERPOWERS! I think he's clever enough to, if he put his mind to it (and he wouldn't have to try all that hard in his case), then he really could something like that off, and make a Superman film that kicks as much ass as his previous films have (especially for example: The Dark Knight and of course Inception).

At this point, I wouldn't too far, if at all beyond, Christopher Nolan's abilities to put something so seemingly complex together and really make it work, but of course feel to disagree with me folks P:)!

LP4
LP4 - 8/9/2010, 5:05 PM
I just hope the new Supes film will fix all the problems- They need to give Superman a worthy opponent for once. As it stands...within the fan community, we Superman-fans are becoming the laughing stock. One of my best friends is a HUGE Green Lantern-fanboy. He always makes fun of me saying things like- "Superman movies are boring" and "All he ever does is fight a bald guy". A good superhero flick needs to have the clever blend of- action, romance and suspense. Thus far, WB has screwed us Supes-fans over by only making the films ALL romance...with no action whatsoever. In "Superman Returns" the only action scene was with the plane and even THAT wasn't all that great, I've seen better. We Superman-fans are becoming known as the fans of the "boring superhero" and I've heard worse...WB needs to make up for what they've done wrong. They need to give us the Superman film we've been waiting for...the one we DESERVE.

If you don't believe me about how we Superman-fans are treated, look at the Superman homepage here on CBM, scroll down and look at what "TheJUGGERNAUTBitch" said about Superman's films thus far and i quote- "superman movies really aren't very good" many people insult and chastise Superman mainly for his boring romance films. He's a SUPERHERO dammit, not only that but he's the ORIGINAL superhero, so he deserves the best film in my opinion. I'm hoping WB won't ever screw up with Supes again. Because i think this reboot is Superman's last shot at the big screen.
cchriswake13
cchriswake13 - 8/9/2010, 7:54 PM
dont ever post anything here again LP4
thetrubatman14
thetrubatman14 - 8/10/2010, 9:59 AM
he shouldnt, he wouldnt! =( if the batman series ends with the 3rd installment someone should reboot it and make it where its in the same universe as superman.. just a thought
OdinsBeard
OdinsBeard - 8/10/2010, 10:29 AM
why does everyone say Nolans films are always grounded in reality?

Inception - the entire movie was a metaphor for dreams and story telling and movie making with FREAKING DUDES HOPPING THROUGH DREAMS!

The Prestige - "real magic"

Memento - Fictional brain disorder

Batman - a BAT MAN fights other crazies in costume. blows off half a dudes face and he still lives.... yeah really real...

Nolan is a gifted story teller who only makes people believe his stories take place "grounded in reality" because that's how he presents them, as if they are real. he knows what many other Hollywood minds do not - that sci-fi can be presented as real and taken seriously. but no one knows its happening. everyone thinks he "grounds" his films in reality when really he creates the reality around his films.

nolan will not change anything about superman. he will only present it in a way that hasn't been done before.
LP4
LP4 - 8/10/2010, 3:47 PM
@cchriswake13- This is MY article so I will say whatever the heckl I want to say.

@naterator- No, you're wrong. The people who really hated Superman-Returns were not just a small minority, why else would WB be rebooting the Superman franchise, unless Superman Returns was a major failure- and it was. Even the president of Warner Bros (Alex Horn) admitted in an interview that had Superman Returns worked in 2006, they would have had a sequel out by Christmas of 2009 and he even went on to say that the film didn't position the character the way he needed to be positioned. If Superman Returns was successful and was a good movie, it wouldn't need a [frick]en reboot, i mean come on dude that's common sense. I mean shit the movie was almost 3 hours long and Superman didn't even throw a single punch! That is lame. Not the superhero/superman film I had waited so many years to see. Plus making him into a bastard father? And ditching Earth for 5 years? That's not something the Superman of the comicbooks would EVER do. I don't know if you actually read the comics, or are just another Reeve-fan, but i grew up reading the comicbooks and watching all the animated series. I know and understand how Superman SHOULD be depicted and the way Bryan Singer did it was just [frick]en WRONG. He refused to listen to the fans and just went with his own love of the Donner films. Well guess what- what worked in the 1970's WON'T work now. That is why WB turned to Nolan to rebuild the damn franchise that Bryan Singer nearly singlehandedly destroyed with his blasphemous film.
Galaxy
Galaxy - 8/11/2010, 12:12 PM
I agree with LP4. I understand what he is trying to say. As a superman fan i can say that i hated the Superman returns movie cuz there was nothing much going on. They basucally screwed it up. I mean i agree with the rest of the people here saying that Nolan wont [frick] it up because the man in a smart and talented film maker.Also why are u guys dissing LP4, hes just expressing his idea and how he would like the new superman film to be. Everybody just calm dowm and be happy for superhero movies.
LP4
LP4 - 8/11/2010, 3:51 PM
@IronSpider15- THANK YOU, like I said to "naterator" earlier- there's a REASON they're rebooting the franchise and it's because Singer's love-letter of a film to Richard Donner sucked balls.

As for you naterator, you have a right to love that movie all you want, but when you COME INTO MY ARTICLE AND INSULT ME for not loving that movie, that's where you cross the line. It's MY article so I will complain about the movie if i want. If you want so bad, go ahead and make an article about how much you loved that damned film and I won't bother leaving angry comments, because it's YOUR article. But like I had said- the film BOMBED horribly. Even WB themselves admitted that they know the movie had let people down. Bryan Singer should have based the film on the comics, but instead he stuck with the movies from the 70's- not a wise decision and that's what screwed him over royally. Even Mark Miller said "treat Superman Returns as Ang Lee's Hulk. Louis Leterrier's The Incredible Hulk proved that the audience can forgive you" I mean come on naterator- it's obvious the singer-superman film just wasn't any good. It nearly re-killed the Superman franchise. You need to open your eyes. But no more of this crap from you naterator.
LP4
LP4 - 8/11/2010, 4:52 PM
@naterator- one other thing...if you claim to be a Superman-fan, then how can you like a film that portrayed Superman as someone who had sex/impregnated a girl...then erased her memory and then ditched her and the kid for 5 years. Leaving her to raise the child on her own with no memory of how he was conceived. Great...so Supes is a deadbeat father. Bryan Singer admitted he hadn't read a Superman comic a day in his life...I can see that through his failure of a film.

Also one more thing- don't bother seeing the Superman reboot since you love "Superman Returns" so much. WB has pledged to fix all the plotholes and problems Bryan Singer created...so i don't know- that might upset you. You seem to be the type who likes a boring Superman film, where no one fights, the story and characters are all butchered to death and the only real villain in the film was a chunk of a land, because i will tell you now- Kevin Spacey's Luthor was a joke. The Lex Luthor of the COMIC BOOKS is more menacing, more evil. He's an evil billionaire. Whereas Spacey's Luthor was just a wreck- they made him into a gold-digger, who had sex with some old woman for her money...that's not how Luthor should've been portrayed. Face it naterator- Bryan Singer is a HACK.
RyKnow
RyKnow - 8/13/2010, 7:34 AM
@ LP4 - I wouldn't worry too much about it mate, Batman aside, Nolan's two other adaptions (The Prestige, Insomnia) were pretty faithful to the source material more or less so I can't see him stripping Superman of his powers; he wouldn't be Superman then. Also, about grounding the film in reality (as realistic a take as you can get on a CBM anyway) it could well be that a focal point would be how mankind would view a super powered alien on the planet, y'know, this won't be typical happy Superman film where everyone looks upon him as a boy scout.
Ask yourself, seriously, what would be going through your head if some like Superman turned up out of the blue (no pun intended lol) and stopped an aeroplane falling out the sky for example. Someone with god-like powers; would you feel threatened, stunned, grateful etc. I'm not saying that's how the film will be but it's just one way of looking at a reality grounded Superman. In this day and age, Humans could be quite hostile/xenophobic towards him and he'll have to earn our trust.
You're ideas are worth bearing in mind though, and it was a good read :)
LP4
LP4 - 8/14/2010, 12:41 AM
@RyKnow- I like your point about how Nolan could approach Superman in a realistic way...by making the world more untrusting of him when he appears. That IS indeed a realistic approach- people would be scared or maybe Nolan could also put in some racism/discrimination in the film against Superman. You had the best point I've read thus far, thank you for your input :)
RyKnow
RyKnow - 8/18/2010, 6:26 AM
@LP4 - No problem mate and thanks for your reply. And you are definitely right there, racism and/or discrimination would be an ideal ingredient for a modern take on Superman. Add an enemy who could truly threaten the survival of the human race (for example, Brainiac trying to take control of the computers that control our nuclear weapons) and you have a reason for mankind to put their trust in Superman, and ultimately, embrace him as the protector we know him as. From what I've heard, Brainiac is supposed to be in the new film , so, you never know.... lol.



superfan714
superfan714 - 8/19/2010, 12:25 AM
@LP4
Hey man, I came accross this article because I was trying to dig up info on this "supposed" Superman reboot. From what I gather is that it's been given the go-ahead. Personally, I don't believe that it will be grounded in reality to the extent where Superman is stripped of his powers. I would have to agree with RyKnow's post as being a pretty rad concept. And I totally agree with you on Superman being an underappreciated icon these days. My best friend is more of an advocate for the new Batman films and likes to shoot down (what has become of) Superman's image. But, no worries...Although I do agree, this is the last shot they have at getting it right. Oh, and I just thought I would ask, what seemed to be the beef between you and naterator??? I looked through the comments and couldn't find anything of him putting you down or saying he supported Superman Returns...And cchriswake13-ha what an ass-don't worry about these schmucks it's YOUR article, I actually hope to post one sometime soon myself...anyways good stuff.
LP4
LP4 - 8/19/2010, 3:19 PM
@superfan714- I deleted all of Naterator's mean comments. But he acted as an advocate for Superman Returns. He put me down a lot for the article. Thank you though for your kind words "superfan714" ^_^

@RyKnow- I hope the new film (if it gets made) will turn out like you said! Damn, YOU should have been a collaborator on the film, lol.
superfan714
superfan714 - 8/19/2010, 9:31 PM
@LP4 -Hey just to let you know I got a new article up on the reboot and tossed in a few things from yours and ryknows comments,let me know what you guys think
RyKnow
RyKnow - 8/23/2010, 7:35 AM
@ LP4 - Thank you very much for your thoughts on my ideas, it's truly humbling when a genuine fan appreciates an alternate way to approach a character rather than shoot the idea down with no reason as to why. But it wasn't all me, it was your article that got me thinking and your added element of discrimination really spiced things up, so credit to yourself aswell. As for me being a collaborator (that is one of the biggest compliments I've ever had, thanks again for that!) if the film does come out and it's full of the ideas I've put up here, well, what can I say, what a kick to the plums that'd be lol!
I'm gonna be checking more of your articles, keep up the good work mate :)

@ superfan714 - I'm gonna check your article out mate, only got back online today :)

ComradeGrey
ComradeGrey - 8/23/2010, 3:48 PM
He'll set it in the 1930s.

Watch.
LP4
LP4 - 8/24/2010, 10:23 AM
@ComradeGrey- REALLY??! Nolan kept saying he was going to make it a modern interpretation of Supes though... =(
LP4
LP4 - 8/24/2010, 10:30 AM
@ComradeGrey- REALLY??! Nolan kept saying he was going to make it a modern interpretation of Supes though... =(
RyKnow
RyKnow - 8/25/2010, 2:01 AM
@ ComradeGrey - If the "rumours" about David Goyer's script are true, Brainiac and Luthor are in it, which is why I think a 1930's setting will be very unlikely. What would Brainiac have to infect/play about with, computers weren't around then, really, and the things that could be classed as computers would be too primitive for someone with Brainic's intellect to bother with. I'm with LP4 on this matter, Nolan has said several times it's going to be a modern interpretation.
Even Superman Returns wasn't a modern interpretation, it was set 5 years after Superman 2, so that would make it the mid 80's (despite people having mobile phones etc.)
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