SUPERMAN Spoilers: Post-Credits Scenes Revealed Along With A Controversial Change To The Hero's Origin

SUPERMAN Spoilers: Post-Credits Scenes Revealed Along With A Controversial Change To The Hero's Origin

Several Superman rumours have been confirmed following this week's screenings, including the movie's post-credits scenes, and a potentially controversial change to the Man of Steel's Kryptonian heritage.

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By JoshWilding - Jul 09, 2025 04:07 AM EST
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Many of you reading this will have no doubt attended yesterday evening's early Superman screenings. While we'll be bringing you some in-depth spoiler breakdowns later this week, there are a couple of big talking points worth highlighting early. 

Several months ago, it was reported that Guardians of the Galaxy star Bradley Cooper had been cast as Jor-El. Filmmaker James Gunn has since confirmed that the actor plays Clark Kent's Kryptonian father, though a plot leak suggesting he might be a villainous character was met with scepticism.

We've heard from multiple sources who have seen Superman and have some additional insights to share with you today. After Lex Luthor and The Engineer invade the Fortress of Solitude, they decode a message from Jor-El to Kal-El, revealing that he believed Earthlings are half-witted and easy to rule. It shows him suggesting that his son take many wives, make as many babies as possible, and rule the Earth. 

It all feels very Invincible-inspired and paints Jor-El in an extremely negative light. However, it raises a fascinating nature vs. nurture debate, allowing Gunn to explore Clark Kent's humanity as well as the positive impact his human parents, Jonathan and Martha, have had on him. 

Cooper's role is minimal, but Gunn has seemingly pulled inspiration from comics where Jor-El was painted in an antagonistic light after it was revealed he survived Krypton's destruction. 

Ultimately, Superman appears to reject his Kryptonian heritage by replacing his recording of Jor-El and Lara in the Fortress with one of his Earth parents. 

As for the post-credits scenes, they're exactly the ones we told you about several weeks ago. Neither makes for essential viewing, but if you're a fan, then you'll obviously want to stick around for as much Superman content as possible! 

The first shows Clark Kent and Krypto on the Moon together (a shot that's been used in posters and TV spots), while the second is a humorous effort with Superman and Mister Terrific looking at some destruction in Metropolis. When one of the buildings starts to split in half, Terrific repairs it, and the Man of Steel criticises his work because it isn't completely perfect. 

Have you seen Superman yet? If so, let us know your review of the movie in the comments section!

Superman, DC Studios' first feature film to hit the big screen, is set to soar into theaters worldwide this summer from Warner Bros. Pictures.

In his signature style, James Gunn takes on the original superhero in the newly imagined DC universe with a singular blend of epic action, humor and heart, delivering a Superman who’s driven by compassion and an inherent belief in the goodness of humankind.  

The movie stars David Corenswet in the dual role of Superman/Clark Kent, Rachel Brosnahan as Lois Lane and Nicholas Hoult as Lex Luthor.

Also appearing are Edi Gathegi, Anthony Carrigan, Nathan Fillion, Isabela Merced, Skyler Gisondo, Sara Sampaio, María Gabriela de Faría, Wendell Pierce, Alan Tudyk, Pruitt Taylor Vince, Neva Howell, and Milly Alcock.

Superman arrives in theaters on July 11, 2025.

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bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/9/2025, 5:04 AM
"It all feels very Invincible-inspired and paints Jor-El in an extremely negative light."

It reminds me off My Adventures With Superman as well. Maybe even moreso, given Invincible has one dad and Superman deals with the differing ideologies of two.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 7/9/2025, 6:30 AM
@bkmeijer1 - His father wasn't exactly an antagonist in it but I thought he was at least a questionable douchebag back in the day with the Donner films too.

I haven't seen this film yet but it can oft depend on perspectives too as a person who could be considered of good intent may think Superman ruling Earth and improving the genetic pool of the populace etc would be a way to help us be better as we have created a lot of problems for ourselves with constant wars and nukes without getting into stuff like destruction of rain forests or over population and climate change. So there can be a reasonable debate to if a god like being should rule and control, or serve and inspire by example in the same way there is a debate on do you kill or just bring to the justice system bad guys (with ample room for nuance between the two extremes).

I mean ALMOST always in comics rule and control is considered bad, and always killing everyone a protagonist faces at least making the character a darker antihero rather than true beacon of hope hero but I'm sure you get the point :D
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/9/2025, 8:21 AM
@Apophis71 - the debate you raise would be quite interesting to see play out on the big screen with Lex Luthor. Could even see him turn pro-Superman if he realises Superman is meant to rule an unruly populace.

That said, I do hope Superman remains a symbol of a better tomorrow.
URCOMMENTSUCKS
URCOMMENTSUCKS - 7/9/2025, 5:08 AM
@Pictilli - You sound awfully a lot like that bozo Hack Snyder from Facebook.
Pictilli
Pictilli - 7/9/2025, 5:11 AM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - he was right in 2013 when he said James Gunn was the right person for Superman and he is right today
OptimusInTime
OptimusInTime - 7/9/2025, 5:06 AM
Hmmmm not sure about this.. So who has seen it then??
Any good or what??
lord22
lord22 - 7/9/2025, 5:13 AM
@OptimusInTime - it's awesome

i never was a huge fan og gunn movies but with superman he really did his best movie.

also there is no toiler humor and stupid characters like in gotg
Laridian
Laridian - 7/9/2025, 10:44 AM
@OptimusInTime - No, it's not good. It's incredible.
URCOMMENTSUCKS
URCOMMENTSUCKS - 7/9/2025, 5:06 AM
James Gunn just couldn't help himself. He had to shit on character's origin.
Pictilli
Pictilli - 7/9/2025, 5:10 AM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - nah that was Snyder. Gunn restored the character to his proper point and slapped down the over emphasis on the alien aspect that has dominated the character and made him boring in live action for years.

Clark creating his costumed heroic identity because of the Kents is much more psychologically interesting than him just inheriting it as a predestined savior and is in line with the original comics. Gunn did great.
URCOMMENTSUCKS
URCOMMENTSUCKS - 7/9/2025, 5:15 AM
@Pictilli - You're still hiding under sock accounts, Kellum? Hi, it's Jasav from FB, the guy that's been clowning your hateful ass since 2016.

Anyhow, evidently, by portraying Jor-El as evil your pal Gunn have completely shit all over character's origin, because the point of Superman was always that he represents two worlds, and his mission to embody best qualities of those worlds. Evidently, Snyder got it more right by portraying Jor-El as a good father. Because that's the tragedy of Superman being sent to Earth and his native world being destroyed.

But I guess red trunks is all it takes to win you over.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/9/2025, 6:34 AM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - I wouldnt say Snyder got it more right. It sounds like they both got something wrong.

From the sounds of it Snyder got Jor El more right, but he definitely did not get John Kent right.

John Kent and Jor El are equally as important.
Pictilli
Pictilli - 7/9/2025, 9:19 AM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - You sound like one of those trolls from India that James Gunn talked about, Jasav.

No, that's not the point of Superman. The point of Superman is that he is a guy with superpowers who uses them for good. Krypton/Jor El is just the explanation for why he has powers. There's no assimilation story representing Krypton because Clark grew up on earth and earth is the only conscious home he ever had.

Siegel got it right the first time.

You and Snyder did not.

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I love that James Gunn put you snyderbots in the movie though as mutant monkeys online.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 7/9/2025, 9:35 AM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS -

I couldn’t agree more.

I hate the evil Jor-el thing.
Laridian
Laridian - 7/9/2025, 10:48 AM
@DocSpock - Watch the film and then decide if you hate it.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 7/9/2025, 11:11 AM
@Laridian -

I’m sure I’ll like the movie, but I hate the whole concept of an evil Joe-el when and where ever it pops up.
URCOMMENTSUCKS
URCOMMENTSUCKS - 7/10/2025, 4:43 AM
@Pictilli - Weird that you'd have animosity towards Indians, Hack Snyder, given that the majority of users who were populating your dumbass anti-Snyder page were Indians. Then again, you also unironically justified Hitler, so...

Anyhow, pre-modern Superman also didn't have flight powers originally. So that's a BS argument to use his early depictions to validate Gunn's take while ignoring all the stuff that came in shortly after that shaped him into the character we all know.

And you lack irony and self-awareness, Kellum, if you think that stupid subplot about internet trolls doesn't apply to you as well. Unless you think Gunn would approve of you and trolling Steven Amell for being kind to a cancer patient, or all your tirades about Snyder's dead daughter and how much joy you took in him stepping down from JL to be replaced by Joss Whedon.

Look in the mirror, dipstick.
Pictilli
Pictilli - 7/10/2025, 5:11 AM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - Gunn's got a sense of humor similar to me so I doubt he'd care.

Flight doesn't undermine the premise of the character the way over-emphasizing Krypton to turn Superman into a fish out of water first contact assimilation story does, and Superman's creators did all of the stories where he flies for the first time too so they clearly had no issue with him flying.

Yes, Gunn's monkey snyderbots are truly representative of you and I am glad your humiliation will continue with the movie being well received by critics and performing well at the box office and better than your beloved snyderverse on both counts. 12 years later and I have been proved right on everything, including calling for Gunn to make a Superman movie and that it would be superior to the snyderverse.

Seethe, snyderbot....

Seethe....

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Highflyer
Highflyer - 7/11/2025, 8:10 AM
@Pictilli - Predestined savior? Do you know what predestined means? Did you also dislike the donner films?
Pictilli
Pictilli - 7/11/2025, 11:52 AM
@Highflyer - I liked them but never liked that aspect to them
URCOMMENTSUCKS
URCOMMENTSUCKS - 7/12/2025, 7:52 AM
@pictil - Gunn outright says the plot point about troll monkeys is an analogy for how social media breeds meaness and his Superman represents kindness and that people should be kind to each other. He's clearly talking about YOU, loser.

Also, his decades-old jokes no longer represent where he stands at now.

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Pictilli
Pictilli - 7/9/2025, 5:07 AM
I loved the movie. 9/10. Best Lex Luthor ever in live action. It was surreal...like seeing Lex for the first time. Well done, Gunn!!

And I like the twist with Jor El and Lara. It cuts through the years of over emphasis on the alien aspect of the character that we've gotten from Snyder and the CW and gets right to the point of the character: Jor El and Lara don't have to be good because they aren't the basis for Superman's morality. Krypton is just the explanation for Clark's powers, but being Clark is why he is Superman, it's why he uses those powers for good. This all culminates in the scene at the end where Lex calls Superman an alien and Superman claps back, which was a much needed rebuttal to everything David Goyer and frankly Mark Waid and most other writers have tried to do to the character for the last 20 years. I am so happy to see that Gunn gets the character.... not just Superman, but ALL of the characters. I am so happy the Kents are finally being done right in a movie and are still alive too.

Thank you, Gunn!
URCOMMENTSUCKS
URCOMMENTSUCKS - 7/9/2025, 5:18 AM
@Pictilli - Hi there, Kellum. Your wish finally came true: you got your red undies in a Superman movie.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/9/2025, 6:43 AM
@Pictilli - I dont agree. Jor El is a PART of his morality. Its the whole nature vs nurture thing. Jor El is equally as important as the Kents.

I compare it to regular Superman and Superman Red Son. In one world he's sent to Earth and the Kents find him. He has two morally sound sets of parents, his Kryptonian parents and hos adopted Earth parents.

But in Red Son he lands in Russia, is scooped in by the biggest communist war machine in the world, amd is raised to be their weapon. He doesnt get raised by the Kents, yet he still has a pretty strong moral compass. He's still Superman, just with different motivations.

I know thats just one alternate reality that explores this in a certain way, but to say Jor El doesnt have to be good is a little odd. He is what gave Superman the building blocks for the Kents to build with.
Pictilli
Pictilli - 7/9/2025, 9:23 AM
@CorndogBurglar - Red Son suggests that Superman is innately good and that the people of Russia are themselves not bad and are responsible for his moral upbringing, even if the government/leadership is bad, which parallels the US more than you think.

Also, Red Son Superman doesn't know much of Krypton or derive his morality from Krypton in that book, either. The costume and symbol all still come from earth but as creations of the government rather than Clark.

In the end of the book it is revealed that Krypton is just a future earth and Clark was sent back in time as a baby to save himself from earth's destruction, just like the original 1934 origin of Superman, before the future earth was changed to Krypton because publishers didn't like the time travel element, proving yet again that Krypton is just supposed to be the explanation for the powers in a Superman story, nothing more.

If you want a fish out of water, alien first contact assimilation fantasy, the Martian Manhunter is your guy, not Superman.
epc1122
epc1122 - 7/9/2025, 10:56 PM
@Pictilli - honestly, I’m glad you liked the movie but you really shouldn’t say what Gunn did was a nice twist on Jor-el and Lara and then if other creators have a particular change you don’t like you consider it disrespectful to the creators. Overall I thought the movie was really good but I did think there were some flaws. Definitely looking forward to seeing it again, multiple times in the theater!
Pictilli
Pictilli - 7/9/2025, 11:27 PM
@epc1122 - I only consider a change disrespectful if it undermines the point of the character, and this does not.
epc1122
epc1122 - 7/10/2025, 5:36 AM
@Pictilli - the point of the character of Superman is helping and caring for the people. None of the changes made in any incarnation undermines that unless it’s Superman from an alternate world where he kills people. Whether the suit comes from krypton or is made by him does not undermine the character. Up until the recent comics, Jor-el has always been portrayed as a good guy, so this new version in the new movie certainly fits your point of undermining a character rather than being a nice twist. Changes are fine as Gunn wanted the change to fit his story but so did other creators for their incarnations.
Pictilli
Pictilli - 7/10/2025, 7:00 AM
@epc1122 - no, the point of Superman is that he is a guy with superpowers who grew up here and chooses to use them to help people. Krypton, Jor El, and Lara are just tye excuse for why he has powers. Everything else comes from being Clark. Clark created the Superman persona, he didn't inherit it. Jor El and Lara are good, but they don't have to have goodwill towards earth in order for them to send baby Kal there, so the point of the Superman character is still not undermined by this.
epc1122
epc1122 - 7/10/2025, 7:25 AM
@Pictilli - in just about all the incarnations of Superman he chooses to save people regardless of knowing about his heritage. In man of steel he saved the class from the bus and did other things to save people prior to even meeting Jor-el. Where he gets the suit is just a small factor. In this movie, they essentially changed jor-el and turned him more like zod. The little we know of him, he wasn’t really good if the recordings were true but they can always retcon it. Again, in all the versions it’s Superman’s choice to save people and do what’s right. Even in gunns versions, his initial inspiration stemmed from him thinking jor-el wanted him to be a protector of earth and that’s why it was crushing for him when he thought the message was different.
Pictilli
Pictilli - 7/10/2025, 11:30 AM
@epc1122 - in Gunn's version he created the suit and the S and chose to do good because of the Kents but also thought his biological parents wanted him to do the same. Snyder's version only becomes a costumed hero because of Jor El's hologram while the Kents just held him back the entire time, this is the opposite of the point of the character.
epc1122
epc1122 - 7/10/2025, 1:20 PM
@Pictilli - I’d have to rewatch the new movie but the suit doesn’t look homemade and in both versions he’s good from within and wants to help. In Snyder’s version he helps before getting the suit. The suit doesn’t make him a hero. John Kent in Snyder’s version wanted to protect him and we don’t know if he would have felt the same way if Clark was older. Both interpretations aren’t perfect. I think the Kent’s in Smallville was actually my favorite version where they raise him to do good but aren’t as callous like in Snyder’s.
Pictilli
Pictilli - 7/10/2025, 1:25 PM
@epc1122 - The suit in the Gunn version is made from white kryptonian blankets but the colors are made by Clark, along with the S shield, since Jor El and Lara do not wear one. In Snyder's version, he's good in spite of the Kents and only becomes a costumed hero because of his kryptonian parents, while in the comics Clark is good because of the Kents and creates a costumed heroic identity because of the Kents.
epc1122
epc1122 - 7/10/2025, 1:38 PM
@Pictilli - unless it’s from an origin book, I’m not sure where you’re getting this info. Just because Jor el and Lara aren’t wearing a shield doesn’t mean Clark created the s. The door into the fortress also has the s.
Pictilli
Pictilli - 7/10/2025, 2:25 PM
@epc1122 - yeah but Clark created the Fortress Of Solitude in the comics, it never came from Krypton there. The movie could be an amalgamation, but he clearly built the robots.
epc1122
epc1122 - 7/10/2025, 3:43 PM
@Pictilli - in one version of the comics he created the fortress of solitude. The movie could be Amalgamation but it was never addressed. We actually don’t know if he built the robots or if there was some crystal that created them.
Pictilli
Pictilli - 7/10/2025, 4:19 PM
@epc1122 - he always created it originally and up until New 52.
epc1122
epc1122 - 7/10/2025, 5:16 PM
@Pictilli - in most cases but not all Superman origin stories.
Pictilli
Pictilli - 7/10/2025, 5:20 PM
@epc1122 - pretty new 52 in all cases
Highflyer
Highflyer - 7/11/2025, 8:20 AM
@Pictilli - Snyder's kents didn't actively treat him to be horrible to people either. I know people have an issue with the "maybe" thing, but there's nothing indicating that they were raising him to be a villain. Especially martha kent.
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