THOR: RAGNAROK Director Taika Waititi Has The Perfect Response To Martin Scorsese's Anti-Marvel Comments

THOR: RAGNAROK Director Taika Waititi Has The Perfect Response To Martin Scorsese's Anti-Marvel Comments THOR: RAGNAROK Director Taika Waititi Has The Perfect Response To Martin Scorsese's Anti-Marvel Comments

The Irishman director Martin Scorsese recently doubled down on his anti-Marvel remarks, and now Thor: Love and Thunder helmer Taika Waititi has come up with the perfect response to the filmmaker...

By JoshWilding - Oct 16, 2019 02:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Thor: Ragnarok
Martin Scorsese isn't backing down from his recent remarks about Marvel movies, and it's clear he doesn't view them as being real "cinema" (despite the fact that they're universally loved by moviegoers and are commercial hits). A lot of filmmakers have hit back at the legendary filmmaker, including Guardians of the Galaxy director James Gunn and The Avengers helmer Joss Whedon.

During a recent interview to promote Jojo Rabbit, Thor: Ragnarok director Taika Waititi was asked to respond to Scorsese's comments and he came up with the perfect, humorous reply.

"Well, it's too late to change it to the Marvel ...Atic Universe," Waititi joked in regards to removing "cinema" from the MCU. "Of course it's cinema! It's at the movies. It's at cinemas near you. Marvel Cinema--tic Universe...scene!"

Well, it's hard to argue with that point in all honesty!

Whether Scorsese likes it or not, Marvel movies are going nowhere, and with the launch of Disney+, the Marvel Cinematic Universe is going to take over television too. 


Hit the "View List" button to take a look at 10
"forgotten" MCU characters we want to see on Disney+!

10. The Leader

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In all honesty, Tim Blake Nelson probably wasn't the best choice to play the big screen version of The Leader and the way Marvel Studios went about introducing him was very weird. 

Despite that, they certainly managed to set the stage for him to become the bad guy we all know and love hate from the comics, and while it would be fun seeing him clash with The Hulk, there are other characters he could easily cause problems for. Unlike many of the other characters here, though, it's hard to say which of the shows we know about he would be a good fit for. 

Either way, it would be awesome seeing his story finally continue and until Marvel changes its mind about a Hulk movie, I think Disney+ would be the best possible fit for the character.
 

9. Ultron

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Maybe it's unfair to call Ultron "forgotten" when he was the lead villain in an Avengers movie but does it not seem like something of a waste to have introduced the villainous android there and then immediately get rid of him before the credits could roll? 

His death has always been somewhat ambiguous and I'm sure he could have found a way to survive, even if it was inside The Vision (unbeknownst to the hero, he may have found a way to leave his memories dormant inside his "son"). Honestly, it's hard to think of a better bad guy for WandaVision, especially as he has such a personal connection to both leads. 

Marvel could also use this surprise return to set something up for the future...bear in mind that Ultron ultimately plays a key role in the epic cosmic storyline Annihilation...
 

8. Jane Foster

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A past version of Jane Foster appeared in Avengers: Endgame but Marvel Studios actually used some old footage from Thor: The Dark World to make that happen and Natalie Portman supplied only a single line of dialogue.

Assuming Disney could convince her to return, it would be a lot of fun to delve into what she's been up to since the last time we saw her and with the God of Thunder off in space with the Guardians of the Galaxy, there's room for a new Thor back on Earth and I'm sure another Mjolnir from the Multiverse could find its way into her hands. 

A female-led Thor series on Disney+ would be a huge draw and, just like the comics, has huge potential. 
 

7. Justin Hammer

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Marvel first Phase of movies was criticised for its forgettable villains so it says a lot about Sam Rockwell that fans are still asking Kevin Feige to bring back Justin Hammer. He's popped up in a "One-Shot" movie as something of a punchline but can you imagine the damage he could do now that Iron Man is gone? 

He'd make a great ally to someone like Zemo and it definitely feels like there's more story to be told with him. 

If he wasn't a victim of the Snap, his prison term could easily have been and gone and, who knows, perhaps Stark Industries is now ripe for the taking with Tony Stark gone and Pepper Potts busy raising their daughter. Falcon & Winter Soldier seems like a good fit for him, but he might make an interesting foe for Scarlet Witch and The Vision's WandaVision series too.
 

6. Mockingbird

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This is a tricky one, especially as Marvel Television and Marvel Studios are two separate entities. Yes, those TV shows are supposed to take place in the MCU but any links are tenuous are best and aside from James D'Arcy's Jarvis making the leap from Agent Carter to Avengers: Endgame, we still haven't seen any proper crossovers. 

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is still entertaining but the show is on its last legs, so why can't Disney+ make good use of Adrianne Palicki's Bobbi Morse? It goes without saying she would be a good fit for the Hawkeye series that's in the works and Marvel could easily invent some history between them. 

It's been widely reported that Clint Barton's show will revolve around him training his replacement (Kate Bishop) but Mockingbird could very easily factor into that and with Black Widow dead and gone, it would be fun seeing Hawkeye having another female hero (albeit a very different one) to bounce off during the course of this adventure. 
 

5. The Howling Commandos

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We first met The Howling Commandos in Captain America: The First Avenger and while they made a brief appearance in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., that was it for a group of characters who have had some genuinely really fun adventures in the comic books. 

Putting the spotlight on this group in their own series would definitely be a challenge, especially as there isn't really an A-Lister here outside of Captain America and Bucky. While I'm sure the latter could make an appearance, I highly doubt Chris Evans would reprise his role as Steve Rogers, so perhaps Marvel Studios could just utilise the voices of these actors for an episode of What If?!

Alternatively, flashbacks to one of their past adventures could have ramifications for whatever happens in Falcon & Winter Soldier. Either way, seeing this lot in action again could be really cool. 
 

4. The Nova Corps

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There was a throwaway mention about Xandar being attacked in Avengers: Infinity War but we've otherwise been kept in the dark about the fate of the Nova Corps since Thanos took aim at the Power Stone. Well, revisiting this faction on Disney+ seems like a no-brainer, especially as it could lead to the introduction of a certain cosmic superhero. 

If it was set during that five-year time-jump, we could catch up with characters like Nova-Prime and Rhomann Dey as they attempt to rebuild after the Mad Titan's attack, something that would lead to a certain Richard Rider being granted some amazing abilities.

Kevin Feige has said this is a character who has been discussed at Marvel Studios and I see no reason why his introduction couldn't come on Disney+ as opposed to the big screen, especially as James Gunn doesn't seem to have any interest at all in using Nova. 
 

3. Ant-Man And The Wasp

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Wait, I know what you're thinking - why are Ant-Man and The Wasp here? Well, I'm not referring to Scott Lang and Hope Van Dyne; instead, this is a reference to Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne. 

Now, an argument could be made that they haven't been "forgotten" as such and I'm sure both characters will play a key role in the third instalment of this big screen franchise, especially after Janet returned from the Quantum Realm with some pretty mysterious powers. However, what Marvel Studios has forgotten is their past. 

Sure, we've had some flashbacks but these two were founding Avengers in the comics! They deserve the spotlight and I'm sure a 1970s set adventure with them showing how they met and then them embarking on missions which expand the history of the MCU would be embraced by fans. 
 

2. Sif

Sif


Where has Jaimie Alexander's Sif been since Thor: The Dark World way back in 2013?

While I'm sure her television commitments have factored into the character's absence, it's hard to believe Kevin Feige isn't aware of the interest fans have in seeing her return and it's bizarre that we haven't even had some sort of throwaway mention of her whereabouts following Asgard's destruction and eventual relocation on Earth. 

If she has been on some sort of secret mission for Asgard, how great would it be for her to return and learn about everything that's happened, not to mention Thor's absence now he's a Guardian? She's made a great supporting character in the aforementioned Thor series starring Natalie Portman but could easily hold her own in a solo show.
 

1. The Abomination

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The Incredible Hulk may be the black sheep of the Marvel Studios family but one thing it definitely got right was the decision to introduce Tim Roth as the villainous Abomination. 

Equally as strong as the Jade Giant but ten times more evil, the fact we're not going to get another Hulk movie probably puts an end to any hopes of a rematch. That doesn't mean the character should be sidelined indefinitely, though, and it's about time he breaks out of custody and starts causing havoc (surely HYDRA could have let him slip away during their infiltration of S.H.I.E.L.D.?). 

I'm not sure where he could pop up but wouldn't it be awesome if he serves as a henchman of sorts to Zemo as the Captain America: Civil War villain assembles his Masters of Evil?

Continue reading below for a recap of everything
you need to know about Falcon & Winter Soldier!

It's Set After The Events Of Avengers: Endgame

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There's been some speculation that Marvel's Disney+ TV shows would all be set before the events of Infinity War, but despite Falcon & The Winter Soldier's supporting cast (more on them later), it's said that this show will pick up with the characters following their appearance in Avengers: Endgame.

This obviously makes a lot of sense, especially when Sam and Bucky were left in such an interesting place after the revelation that Steve Rogers chose to stay in the past with Peggy Carter.
 

The Falcon Wields The Shield

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As you might expect, Sam accepting the shield from Captain America will indeed figure into the series and while we don't know whether he'll actually don a new suit and take on this persona, you'd best believe Marvel will be laying the groundwork. 

Showing Sam struggling to deal with filling the void Steve left over the course of this TV show makes much more sense than him just being Captain America the next time we see him, but, if nothing else, here's hoping we get to see what his new costume looks like!
 

It Will Run For Six Episodes

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Each of Marvel's Netflix TV shows have now been cancelled and while there are a number of reasons for that, one of the biggest is the fact that they were simply too long. In theory, thirteen episodes was a good idea but there was a noticeable decline in the latter half of each season because the story was too stretched out, and a second, not particularly good subplot was often introduced. 

Well, Marvel Studios isn't making that same mistake with Falcon & Winter Soldier because it's been confirmed that it will run for a total of six episodes. 

We don't know whether they'll be 40 minutes each or somewhere in the 50 - 60 minute range, but that sounds like a perfect amount of time to delve into this adventure while also giving the characters a little more time to breathe on Disney's new streaming service. 
 

An Unexpected Choice Of Director

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As of right now, every Marvel movie coming out in 2020 will be helmed by a woman, and that's also going to be the case for this series on Disney+. In order to maintain a level of consistency, Kari Skogland has been chosen to take the helm of all six episodes and Malcolm Spellman (Empire) was hired as a writer  (presumably of the entire series) earlier this year. 

Skogland's credits make for interesting reading, as she's worked on everything from Boardwalk Empire to The Walking Dead, The Americans, House of Cards, and The Punisher. She's directed episodes of The Handmaid's Tale and worked with Russell Crowe and Naomi Watts on Showtime's The Loudest Voice, which airs this June. So, yeah, Marvel Studios has chosen wisely!
 

Some Familiar Faces Return

Zemo


Perhaps the most exciting announcement regarding this series is the fact that Daniel Bruhl will be reprising his role as Zemo from Captain America: Civil War. He'll be joined by Emily VanCamp's Sharon Carter, and that pretty much confirms that this series will be set firmly in Cap's corner of the MCU.

Zemo was behind bars the last time we saw him and you have to believe that Sharon will have some thoughts on everything that's happened with Steve Rogers, especially as they were beginning to embark on something of a romantic relationship. Plus, will she now think of him as her uncle after Avengers: Endgame's writers claimed that Cap is the father of Peggy's children in this timeline?

Either way, this should be great fun, and Zemo definitely deserves another chance to shine. 
 

It Will Debut August 2020

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Marvel Studios still hasn't revealed its official slate of movies for 2020 but a number of reliable outlets have reported that Falcon & The Winter Soldier will be with us in August. That more than makes up for the fact that we're only getting two big screen MCU adventures next year (believed to be Black Widow and The Eternals), and there's a good chance that at least one more show is going to end up hitting Disney+. 

What hasn't been revealed - and this is the case for pretty much all the shows hitting the streaming service - is whether all six episodes will be released in one go or whether we'll have to tune in weekly for a new instalment. Either option sounds good! 

So, that's what we know so far, but we also have some pretty big questions about what's to come...
 

Is Chris Evans Set To Appear?

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This is a very big question, and one the show will have to address. Is old man Steve Rogers now in a retirement home or will he have died off screen at some point? Personally, I find it hard to imagine that Chris Evans will be donning the old man makeup for Falcon & The Winter Soldier, but we can probably expect to get some answers about what his role - or lack thereof - will be in the MCU from here.
 

Where Will The Story Take Us?

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While Deadline claims that the show will deal with the fallout of Avengers: Endgame and The Falcon's transformation into Captain America, Marvel Studios is otherwise keeping things under wraps.

That's no great surprise, but common sense says that plot threads from Captain America: Civil War will be addressed, while we'll probably learn more about how the C.I.A. views superheroes after the Snap and possibly end of the Sokovia Accords. Seeing as Kevin Feige has said these shows tie into the movies, don't be surprised if we also learn what comes next for the "New" (?) Avengers. 
 
 
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Se4M4NSt4ine
Se4M4NSt4ine - 10/16/2019, 3:10 AM
I find it ironic that Scorsese is preaching what “cinema” is and how it should be, especially when he’s just jumped on the streaming platform.
Kumkani
Kumkani - 10/16/2019, 3:14 AM
@Se4M4NSt4ine - I can't believe I'm saying it, but I think that's why he's salty.
connorblaze
connorblaze - 10/16/2019, 3:18 AM
@Se4M4NSt4ine - because he’s not using the word cinematic in the literal sense, as in ‘at a cinema’. He’s using it to describe the quality and artistic integrity ‘of’ cinema. Doesn’t mean he’s right but that’s pretty clearly what he means.

It’s like saying ‘the twilight series aren’t books’. They’re clearly books but it’s being implied they’re not up the standard of most books.
Vigor
Vigor - 10/16/2019, 3:28 AM
@Se4M4NSt4ine - it kind of reminds me of how gen x or baby boomers (my dad in this example) complain vocally about how we younger gens use the phone less, and text responses instead of picking up the phone. But then I observe him catching on and texting himself and realizing the benefits
Kumkani
Kumkani - 10/16/2019, 3:29 AM
@connorblaze - It still doesn't make sense because books can be many different things, just like movies. It makes sense to say for instance that 'the Twilight series aren't good books' or novels which can be argued as being correct or not. To say something isn't the very thing it is by changing the definition of that word just makes you look like a snob.

It's especially worse when you say things like that when you haven't seen a good number of them to judge.
Origame
Origame - 10/16/2019, 3:33 AM
@connorblaze - thank you. No actual argument just "its at the movies so it counts!"
Kumkani
Kumkani - 10/16/2019, 3:13 AM
All Hail the Waititi!

HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 10/16/2019, 7:09 AM
@Necropolitan - an international treasure

Whaley87
Whaley87 - 10/16/2019, 3:18 AM
God, I love this man!
connorblaze
connorblaze - 10/16/2019, 3:29 AM
I love Taika, he’s one funny mother[frick]er.

But why are so many people taking Scorsese’s comments literally? Clearly if it screens in a cinema it’s cinema. But he’s not a [frick]ing idiot he’s Martin Scorsese and that’s not what he meant.

The guy is one of the gods of cinema, don’t get so offended. I love crappy punk bands. But if Elvis [frick]ing Presley came back from the dead and said ‘that’s not music’, I’d probably say ‘yeah I know but I like it’. I wouldn’t throw a tantrum and pretend it’s high quality art.

If I was eating a bag of potato chips and a nutritionist told me ‘that’s not food’, I’d say ‘no it’s not, but it sure tastes good.

Marvel movies taste good. They’re fun, sometimes emotional, their production values and effects are incredible sometimes, the action is great, they’re funny, the stories can explore some complex themes.

But by cinematic standards, you ain’t ever gonna see that shit on a list of 1001 films to see before you die. (Maybe the first Guardians and Iron Man, and the first Avengers for cultural value). The cinematography and scores are mostly shit, their stories are childish.

Although if anything was going to be up to cinematic snuff with MCU movies it would be character. They can be excellent at exploring their characters. Tony Stark is a cinematic icon character for the ages, very complex and well-drawn. As is Steve Rogers.
Kumkani
Kumkani - 10/16/2019, 3:42 AM
@connorblaze - Because you're asserting that we should simply roll over and accept what Scorsese said because he's "one of the gods of cinema".

Scorsese hasn't done anything to change my life personally, so I don't owe him anything. I don't have to agree or not even be offended because he's Scorsese. That's bullshit.

Nobody is arguing that Marvel movies are high quality art. Nobody is arguing they're as good or even better than Scorsese's films. Scorsese himself didn't even say that. He said they aren't cinema because they don't elicit emotional responses in people, which is just completely false when you consider the magnitude of fans these movies have had for more than a decade. Regardless of the quality, people love Marvel movies and Scorsese chooses to ignore and dismiss that because they're not his kind of movies. Anybody that thinks like that (especially without even trying it out) is simply a snob.

And who cares about those kind of lists? How many movies from there has the average person seen? How many have you seen? It's all one person's opinion. Just because they work for an established publication doesn't mean they get to dictate what you should do with your life and free time.

Which brings me to my last point: people care way too much about what so-called 'legendary' people think as a way of thinking it makes them more sophisticated. Scorsese is a great director. I love the movies by him that I have seen. But he cannot tell me what to like and what not to like. He's not my brain. That's my choice, and he needs to stop acting like he can tell people what is or not good and what is worth their time just because he's acclaimed.
SabreToof
SabreToof - 10/16/2019, 3:54 AM
I looked up Martin Scorcese's filmography and I don't think I've seen anything he has directed or produced.
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