SUPERMAN & PEACEMAKER Director James Gunn Explains "The Basics" Of DCU Canon

@bobevanz - You leave Jenna Fischer out of this, mister!

@WalletsClosed - because the concept to anyone but myopic fans is useless and dumb

@WalletsClosed - Have they let you back on your Snyder Reddit?

@RolandD

Lol… that wasn’t actually TBM was it? I don’t think it was!

@regularmovieguy - that tracks

@regularmovieguy - I get what you’re saying that the media guy and the Maga guy write different posts. It was mostly the timing and TBM is a MAGA type guy but it would not blow my mind if it was WalletsClosed.

@Mrnorth1921 - Yeah…

more or less with the exception of the JL cameo and maybe some references to the wider universe in S1 , the events of Peacemaker happened relatively the same in this universe as it did in the DCEU

@Mrnorth1921 - yep

Also debunks the whole “Gunn didn’t want to do a full reboot because he didn’t want to get rid of his work” since Blue Beetle is a part of this universe and he had nothing to do with that.

@Mrnorth1921 - The Suicide Squad had Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn, who was part of the old DCEU, if she is canon then Joker Leto is canon too, etc...

This is just a mess.

@Mrnorth1921 - All the variants stuff has been a mess in both the MCU and the DCEU/DCU.

If that Robbie/Harley is just a DCU variant of the DCEU Harley, does that mean Robbie will be the Harley for a new DCU Joker that looks nothing like Leto or for a new DCU Batman that looks nothing like Affleck? Why is she the only one that looks exactly the same? People won't be confused by this?

Same thing in Marvel: if everybody (Strange, Mordo, Christine, Peggy, Maria Rambeau, Thanos, Wanda) seemed to look exactly the same in the Illuminati universe seen on DS2:MoM, and Xavier looked like Patrick Stewart, shouldn't that mean that all the other X-Men characters in 616 also look like the Fox-Men? And that the 616 should also have a Reed that looks like Krasinski? Why does JJ Jameson look the same in two universes where their Peter Parkers and everybody else (May, MJ, etc) look completely different?

None of that makes any sense and it's unnecessarily confusing and complicated.

You can have a multiverse with different timelines where the same characters might look slightly different, like Holland's Peter Parker is blond in a different timeline, or has longer hair and a beard, or is a little bit taller, or has a different girlfriend or job, but he still looks like Tom Holland, like the MCU 616 Peter Parker.

If he looks completely different because he is played by a different actor that looks nothing like Holland, which is the case of Maguire and Garfield, then those are basically different people called Peter Parker with similar spider powers and a similar story and costume.

But you can still say that since there are infinite timelines, maybe there are infinite ways the same character/person could look, ok, but then everybody else should look different too, that's why Marisa Tomei's May looks nothing like the old May from the Maguire and Garfield movies, and the same should have happened with Jameson even if Feige thought he was the best actor ever and perfect for the role, there are tons of other great actors who could have played a new MCU 616 Jameson.

Same for Wolverine/Logan, Jackman was great and iconic, but Marvel should have cast a new guy for the MCU 616 variant before (or instead of) bringing him back.

Now they brought Jackman back for D&W and they are bringing all the Fox-Men back for Doomsday, but plan to introduce the same characters later as the 616 variants played by other actors, except maybe they'll keep an 80 years old Jackman until 2050, but they'll get rid of all the other Fox-Men actors and will cast other younger people for the same roles, while in the DS2:MoM Illuminati timeline where everybody else looked like the 616 people, you had Patrick Stewart as Xavier.

You could argue: "infinite timelines, infinite possibilities and combinations, that means there are universes where everybody looks the same except for one or two or three guys that look completely different", but again, it's unnecessarily confusing and complicated when you can have the same actors playing the different variants of the same characters, like Hiddleston playing the Loki variant in the TV show (in Sylvie's timeline everybody else should also look different to 616) or Jonathan Majors playing the different Kang variants in that show and in Quantumania.

All of this multiversal sh*t should just be easier to understand for the general audiencies.

When Gunn decided to reboot, he should have gone for a full reboot and keep Peacemaker as a show set in the DCEU, keep him as a character from an alternative timeline/universe and maybe make him travel to the DCU through a portal, idk, I don't even follow that show yet, but all of this sh*t about "this is canon but this another thing in the same show/movie isn't because whatever" is completely unnecessary because he should have just done a full reboot and keep the DCEU and the DCU as totally different versions of the same DC universe, same way Marvel shouldn't have brought back the Fox-Men before introducing the new 616 MCU X-Men, same way they shouldn't have used Krasinki in MoM if they were not going to use him for the new FF movie, same way they shouldn't have brought RDJ back to play Doom instead of an evil Superior Iron Man/Tony Stark variant, all of this is the kind of sh*t that will cost them a lot of money because the general audiencies will be confused af.

Yes, they have made a lot of nostalgia money with NWH and D&W, but in the long run it's a huge mistake and they would have made similar amounts of money and probably even some more by doing things the right way, without so much unnecessarily confusing cr*p.

These things make these fictional universes less believable because everybody knows why they are doing all of this, that it's not because it makes sense for the stories they want to tell, it's because they know the new sh*t they are making is bad and it's failing, so they need to sell nostalgia, they need Maguire, Garfield, Jackman, Stewart, RDJ, Keaton, Clooney, Cage, Reeve, etc, to sell the tickets they can't sell with the new bad movies and tv shows they've made lately.

And same thing with Gunn being unable to get rid of the stuff he made before his pseudoreboot. It's not that the DCU really needs Cena playing Peacemaker or Robbie playing Harley instead of casting someone new, he could have kept those versions of the characters in the old DCEU and continue their stories there, but instead he gave us this half-assed confusing reboot that nobody wanted except him and his pals working on this show.

/Rant XD

@RolandD -

Get Robert Conrad to kick their a$$es.

@Forthas - dude is a flipping charlatan!

An imposter of the higest order!

@F4ntasticClunge -

@F4ntasticClunge - I think that is going to come to light really soon. Warner Brothers is already sending Superman to digital early...

James Gunn’s Superman (2025) Gets An Early Digital Release
‘Superman’ Heads to Digital August 15 After Just 35 Days in Theaters

I take it that is going to make it A LOT harder to secure more than $600 million at the box office.

@Forthas - omg August 15 lmao let's see how rock reigns tries to spin this 😅😅