SUPERMAN & LOIS: Is The Series Actually Co-Funded By HBO Max?

SUPERMAN & LOIS: Is The Series Actually Co-Funded By HBO Max?

It's often been stated by fans online that Superman & Lois is a co-production between The CW and HBO Max. But is that true? Let's break it down.

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By DanielKlissmman - Feb 21, 2022 09:02 AM EST
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Superman & Lois arrived in 2021 to critical acclaim. Starring Tyler Hoechlin as the Man of Steel and Bitsie Tulloch as Lois Lane, the show — which is set in The CW's Arrowverse — connected with audiences due to its story, characters, outstanding special effects and cinematic quality. The series has been closely associated with HBO Max due to it being its streaming home following its original airing. 

Such synergy between the streamer and The CW, paired with Superman & Lois' high quality, led to the belief that the show had been partially funded by HBO Max. But is that true? Well, it's an intricate answer. So far, no, it doesn't appear to be true, and we thought it appropriate to explain why.

The CW's Deal With HBO Max

It appears this rumor began circulating in February 2021, when Deadline reported that The CW and HBO Max were in discussions to co-finance "original summer CW series." The plan was for said shows to be available on HBO Max before airing on The CW the following day.

However, news of that collaboration came in the same month as the release of Superman & Lois' first season, which means the show was not part of the deal. There hasn't been an update regarding that partnership, but it doesn't look like it has affected Superman & Lois' second season, either.

So, if the series is not co-financed by HBO Max, what's the reason behind its movie-like cinematography and special effects, which have often been compared to Man of Steel's? That comes down to the people behind the series wanting to compete with higher-budget streaming projects. As showrunner Todd Helbing explained during a 2021 TCA panel (via Deadline): 

"Whenever you do any of these shows, you want to make them slightly different. [...] We just approached this as much as we could like a feature — from the aspect ratio to the cinematography, to the look, to the design of the house and farm. We are competing with shows on cable and streamers. [We] wanted to be able to do that and offer audiences something of equal quality."

There has been no official information released about the money spent on Superman & Lois, but it looks like the quality-bump relative to other CW offerings came from a more flexible budget. With that, unless there is an undisclosed collaboration between HBO Max and The CW, it doesn't look like the TV series is the result of a co-financing deal. 

Collaboration Between The CW and HBO Max

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Of course, believing Superman & Lois was partly produced by HBO Max is not unreasonable. There are, after all, three critical factors outside of the streamer's reported deal with The CW that could have influenced that theory. Firstly (as mentioned above), the show — much like other CW series — is released on HBO Max after its initial network broadcast.

Deadline, however, revealed that such partnership happened out of convenience following talks between Warner Bros. and CBS, which deemed it best to stream CW shows on HBO Max instead of on CBS All Access (now Paramount+): 

"Since Warner Bros. and CBS are co-owners of the CW and both are intent on the network succeeding, [they] made a collective decision last year that it is in the CW’s best interest if its shows are kept together on the same streaming platform, and HBO Max was selected as home."

Secondly, there's Stargirl, which is actually a DC series co-financed by HBO Max and The CW. That, though, occurred following a very specific set of circumstances. Premiering as an exclusive for the now-defunct DC Universe streaming service, Stargirl was ultimately moved solely to The CW, a shift that came packaged with a co-financing deal with HBO Max. Back in 2021, CW CEO Mark Pedowitz told Deadline the network would be open for more collaborations with the streamer: 

"If [HBO Max is] open to that, we actually would do it. [...] They creatively have to want the show too and believe that the show should go on their platform first for them to work. For us its a great model because it's a way to get excellent summer scripted programming and maximize programming across platforms."

That seems moot now that The CW is up for sale, but future collaborations seemed to be a major possibility at the time. They still may be, but the network's sale is currently too unclear to make an educated guess about what could come after it in terms of deals. 

Finally, there's the fact that HBO Max has been pulling more and more DC television series from other platforms into its service. In 2020, the streamer inherited Doom Patrol, Titans, Harley Quinn and Young Justice from the aforementioned DC Universe. More recently, it also absorbed Pennyworth — an Alfred Pennyworth prequel series — from Epix for its third season. 

All these factors likely made the idea of Superman & Lois being partly funded by HBO Max sound plausible (or factual) for fans. Having said that, it is possible for Kent and Lane's small-screen adventures to move to the streaming platform in the future.

Things Could Change in the Future for Superman & Lois

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As mentioned, it was revealed in early 2022 that The CW was up for sale. This put a big question mark over the network's television series, specifically those based on DC Comics characters. Being adaptations of Warner Bros. biggest characters, it wasn't unreasonable to theorize that shows like Naomi, Legends of Tomorrow and, of course, Superman & Lois, could end up becoming HBO Max originals.

Going by comments made by HBO and HBO Max's Chief of Programming Casey Bloys, that seems like a very plausible outcome for the series. Asked by The Hollywood Reporter if The CW's DC shows could make their way to HBO Max following the network's sale, Bloys stated that its superhero series are valuable assets for WB's streaming platform: 

"We'll see what happens. I don't know, in that sale, what they're looking to do or not do, but those shows do really well when they come to HBO Max in a window deal. They're really well done and valuable shows to us. I'm not involved in the Nexstar or the CW negotiations or anything like that so I don't really know, but generally speaking, the shows that Greg does for The CW are very valuable and perform well on HBO Max."

Superman & Lois could ultimately become an HBO Max production, but this is only speculation. As it stands right now, the series appears to be solely funded by The CW. The show has been a respectable performer for its network, and going by Bloys' comments, it looks like it could have a bright future on HBO Max should things come to that.

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bobevanz
bobevanz - 2/21/2022, 9:23 AM
I'll get around to watching it someday, got season one on blu ray
The1st
The1st - 2/21/2022, 9:24 AM
My question is always the same even though it's been explained... You either get it or you don't.



That said, great article.


BecauseICare
BecauseICare - 2/21/2022, 9:27 AM
I hate commercials. Despise them. But I cut the cord. Which means for the CW if I want to watch any of the DC fare I have to wait until it completes its regular season run to catch up on the episodes on streaming. It's great because I can binge watch and finish a season in a couple weeks. That being said I HATE having to wait two months after a season ends just to watch it on HBOMax or Netflix. I really do hope after the sale of The CW they move all their DC shows onto HBOMax. I will have to give up on binge watching shows and watch them week to week. But I'll also avoid having to watch those fricking commercials! Fair trade if you ask me.
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 2/21/2022, 9:42 AM
The budget is certaintly higher than in the other CW shows, but this should be on HBO Max with a Peacemaker budget.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but this show is still part of the CW universe after the events on Crisis?
Anyway, just burn that whole mess, and put Superman & Lois on HBO Max.
luckypenny
luckypenny - 2/21/2022, 10:09 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 - Yeah, they tried to bring Hoechlin for the Flash Armageddon crossover but COVID. And Diggle appeared on the show last season.
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 2/21/2022, 4:26 PM
@TheHumanSpider2 - Why should it even be on the streamer in the first place when it is being done well so far on The CW by itself? This show came to be all thanks to that "mess" to begin with.
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 2/21/2022, 5:45 PM
@NinnesMBC - A bigger budget
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 2/21/2022, 5:54 PM
@TheHumanSpider2 - That isn't an automatic guarantee that something will instantly improve. Titans has all of that and yet it delivered the same lackluster results than it's previous 2 Seasons. Unless the people know how to handle that, it's pointless.
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 2/21/2022, 7:17 PM
@NinnesMBC - Except Titans's scripts SUCKS.
The only thng that held Superman & Lois back is the lack of a big budget.
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 2/21/2022, 8:50 PM
@TheHumanSpider2 - Which is exactly where Superman & Lois' strength is. They don't suffer in that area and so far their handling of VFX has not weakened, whether they have a big or not budget. Bigger doesn't always means better, that's my point.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 2/21/2022, 9:42 AM
Thats a solid analysis. And if it is a a full-on CW production, that means there is still one CW show that has my interest to my own surprise. Here's hoping it's on HBO Max when it's released here in Europe next month
MrDandy
MrDandy - 2/21/2022, 10:10 AM
That would help explain why the budget looks so much higher.

Anyways first season was good and it was a step up in quality that the Arrowverse desperately needed:
Odin
Odin - 2/21/2022, 11:24 AM
Story-wise, even though this is suppose to be Supergirl spin-off, it doesn't make any sense if you think the two shows as a part of same continuity. Not only are their styles very different, but the whole kryptonian invasion ark from season 1 makes no sense if all the alien plot lines and Argo city from Supergirl are also canon. What about Supergirl and other heroes not working with goverment and the military like Superman? Season 2 seems to make a big deal about their being other Superhumans besides Superman. Not to mention how this shows has completely rebooted some characters from Supergirl, mostly the Lane family? Everything just points to this show being a soft reboot.
Godzilla2000Zer
Godzilla2000Zer - 2/21/2022, 11:25 AM
Dying for the new episode tomorrow
TheUnknownX
TheUnknownX - 2/21/2022, 12:09 PM
For anyone who's watched this regularly, how has Tyler Hoechlin been as Supes/Clark? I've read good stuff when he first appeared in Supergirl even a few preferring his version than Cavill's. Seen the trailers for Lois and Clark, they look great but I just never got around to watching it.
Reeds2Much
Reeds2Much - 2/21/2022, 12:39 PM
@TheUnknownX - how has Tyler Hoechlin been as Supes/Clark?

Wholesome. There's more focus on Clark and family than Superman and fight scenes. Teen drama might annoy some. Production loves 90s Superman, as they draw a ton of inspiration from that era.
micvalpro
micvalpro - 2/22/2022, 8:04 AM
@TheUnknownX - Hes the best Clark/Superman in the last 20 years. I honestly even kinda prefer him over Reeve. He just feels like Clark. Watch the first episode, its basically a Superman movie in the first 10 mins.
VincentValjean
VincentValjean - 2/25/2022, 12:33 AM
@micvalpro - lost me on "kinda prefer him over Reeve". Christopher Reeve WAS Superman
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 2/21/2022, 12:26 PM
I actually think the show looks TOO cinematic sometimes to the point of being visually dull and boring like MOS. What looks more like a Superman comic?

This:


Or this:
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 2/21/2022, 12:41 PM
@Nightwing1015 - Smallville looked so good, especially the earlier seasons that were shot on film. I don't understand the mindset of adding colored filters to make something look more "grounded". That does just the opposite. Movies and TV shows with natural colors will always feel more real and authentic.
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 2/21/2022, 12:57 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - Smallville looks so f**kin good. Kent farm in Superman and Lois looks so dull and boring.



Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 2/21/2022, 1:08 PM
I could do this all day to be honest. For every location.

https://imgur.com/MGLnT3x

THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 2/21/2022, 12:30 PM
So they could make all their other DC shows look better but just choose not to lol.
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 2/21/2022, 4:19 PM
@DanielKlissmman @TheDoctor1225 @bkmeijer

Good article, but I am gonna sum up everything with these: the show's production has nothing to do with HBO Max, it never had. This was cleared up in a podcast that Todd Helbing gave weeks ago and he made it clear that it isn't true S&L is a "HBO Max show" nor do they recieve budget from them.

It is solely funded by The CW.



https://twitter.com/BittrScrptReadr/status/1481849769047703554

And the reason it has that cinematic feel is because Todd Helbing learned a lot from his days working as a showrunner on The Flash from Season 4 to Season 5. That's it.





Another thing that the OP got wrong regarding the potential deal between The CW and the HBO Max streamer is that it was supposed to be that their original co-financed series would first air on said streaming service AND then later on the broadcast network, that is how Deadline reported it. Not the other way around. (It was basically gonna be the same kind of deal that was made in 2019 for Stargirl S1 before it debuted it in 2020: first it airs on DC Universe which was it's original home and later on The CW the next day)

"The two companies also are discussing co-financing original summer CW series to premiere on the streamer with a next-day airing on the broadcast network."-Deadline.



So there you have it: Superman & Lois /=/ HBO Max. I think at this point we would've have been told already instead of keeping it a secret.

And while this gets off-topic for a bit, I have my doubts that even Stargirl is being co-financed with HBO Max since I recall Geoff Johns explaining in post S1 interviews that they had a bigger budget because they shot in Atlanta instead of Vancouver, the taxes that they have to pay there are less and it gives them more liberty to use their budget. (That is also the place where they shoot the Disney+ shows, The Walking Dead and etc so go figure) That was his explanation to calm the waters for those back then in 2020 thinking that because The CW picked up and renewed the show for Season 2 that it meant the VFX would drop.

What is true is that Stargirl first airs on The CW since they picked it up and then it gets uploaded on HBO Max after it's story ends, which is the same thing when they had a deal with Netflix. And last but not least the show wasn't rescued by HBO Max in 2020 when the streamer picked Titans, Doom Patrol, Young Justice and Harley Quinn animated. Why would said streamer fund a DC show that it didn't bother to bring up to it's slate and let a network do it instead? That lacks logic.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 2/21/2022, 4:58 PM
@NinnesMBC - what I also take from this is that the show has a showrunner that really knows how to tackle things.

If it wasn't already for the Battinson universe, I'd want Helbing to do a Batman show (that actually stars Batman). Maybe if he also gets attached to Gotham Knight, I might actually he interested in it
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 2/21/2022, 5:08 PM
@bkmeijer - Well my own take is that he managed to learn from the things he messed up when he was handed over Flash in the middle of S4 as well as his shortcomings with Season 5 and improved in Superman & Lois.

I'm afraid that even if Hellbing was attached to Gotham Knights it would not change aynthing, WB are selfish when it comes to sharing even when they mess up like they did with Suicide Squad and they haven't let said characters and team appear again on TV even though that was their own fault. (Justice U however has the involvement of a co-showrunner from Superman & Lois though, so keep that in mind if we hear that spin-off gets a pilot order too)
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 2/21/2022, 5:13 PM
@NinnesMBC - hope whatever they took from currents show, they can bring in future shows. Just wonder if we'll Gotham Knight and Justice U at all though, cobsidering the CW is up for sale
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 2/21/2022, 5:32 PM
@bkmeijer - I'm optimistic and think we could get them. Those negotiations about the sell are taking a lot of time, they either announce something soon or we never hear about it which means they never really went anywhere.

I'm slowly low key also warming up to the idea of the Arrowverse moving to have more ensemble shows too like those two ones.
MisterRiviera
MisterRiviera - 2/21/2022, 9:38 PM
@bkmeijer - The sale of The CW isn't going to impact which shows they produce. The CW is co-owned by CBS and WB simply put. They are selling a majority stake in The CW Network because the network itself isn't selling as a stand-alone entity but the shows are actually doing well.

But even with a sale of the network on the horizon, it won't change the fact that they'll keep producing shows for the network. if anything this might result in an increase of production quality.
MisterRiviera
MisterRiviera - 2/21/2022, 10:20 PM
With all due respect to Todd Helbing but I'm not fully buying it. Either he's lying or he simply doesn't know the deals The CW has in place. As a matter of fact, Todd isn't exactly a person that would be told this information in any case. Also, the show being on HBOMax means HBO also benefits because people will sign up specifically to watch the show without needing to watch a regular network. So they are making money off the show but The CW is the only one that's actually funding it? I have my doubts.

Also, Todd Helbing's explanation on why Superman & Lois looks better also smells off. Just take this piece of information for example. He says '' We are competing with shows on cable and streamers'' This tells me that the show was/is being produced with HBOMax in mind and that the show needs a higher quality. So why wouldn't HBOMax co-fund a production that's actively competing with other shows on their platform.

On the other hand, this can paint The CW in a very very bad light. If Helbing isn't lying then it would also mean that The CW always had the ability to make shows such as The Flash look amazing but they chose not to because it doesn't need to compete which shows on streaming services etc. That would be extremely disappointing though. The fandom has always said for years that the show could use an increase in budget to kick up the overall production quality and visuals. I've always defended the lack of production quality and visuals because it seemed obvious that they were lacking in budget but now that doesn't seem to be the case suddely?
Himura
Himura - 2/22/2022, 1:13 AM
Feels like CW just really had a lot of faith in this show from the beginning and decided to back it. They're realizing they gotta up the quality of their content to compete with everything else out there. When a show is bad, people usually compare it to a CW show regardless of the network it's on. They probably want to move away from that reputation.
micvalpro
micvalpro - 2/22/2022, 8:03 AM
Hes the best Clark/Superman in the last 20 years. I honestly even kinda prefer him over Reeve. He just feels like Clark. Watch the first episode, its basically a Superman movie in the first 10 mins.
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