SUPERMAN & LOIS Showrunners Detail Scrapped Plans For Brainiac And Darkseid In The Series

SUPERMAN & LOIS Showrunners Detail Scrapped Plans For Brainiac And Darkseid In The Series

Superman & Lois co-showrunners Todd Helbing & Brent Fletcher have shared details on their hopes to include Brainiac and Darkseid in future seasons of the series before the plug was pulled with season 4.

By JoshWilding - Dec 04, 2024 03:12 PM EST
Filed Under: Superman & Lois
Source: TV Line

Superman & Lois ended this past Monday with its fourth and final season. A combination of The CW moving away from expensive scripted dramas and the formation of DC Studios sealed the show's fate, though James Gunn reportedly pushed for the series to get a proper ending. 

Original plans obviously called for Superman & Lois to last for more than four years, and co-showrunners Todd Helbing & Brent Fletcher recently told TV Line about some of the future ideas they didn't get a chance to explore. 

"If we went on for a couple more seasons, we would have really explored Brainiac," Helbing says of the iconic villain played in Superman & Lois by Nikolai Witschl. "We would have done more cool, traditional Brainiac stuff with him."

Doomsday, who is often considered the ultimate Superman villain, was killed in the series finale and it turns out the duo hoped to up the ante by pitting the Man of Steel against Darkseid. 

"There’s also a way to lead up to Darkseid that we had talked about," Helbing reveals. "I don’t know if DC would have given us permission to use Darkseid, but we would have pitched the hell out of it to try to get it. That would have been a lot of fun."

One character we did come close to seeing in season 4 is Adam Rayner's Tal-Roh, Superman's brother. He was last seen at the end of season 2 setting off for a new life in the Inverse world and Fletcher explains, "We weren’t able to do it... It just came down to schedules and money and time."

Something that will forever make Superman & Lois unique is the fact that, despite these scrapped plans, the series was able to tell a complete story with the title hero and even give him an ending. That's not lost on the duo as Fletcher acknowledged in a separate interview with ComicBook.com:

"We had been told that we were the only live-action Superman that had the opportunity to really close the book and so we took it literally. We just felt like, let’s take it all the way. Let’s show what his life meant and Lois’s life meant to the audience because they’ve been on this journey. So, let them complete the journey and close the circle. It just felt like a satisfying end."

"And also, because of how emotional it is, we felt it could do the thing that I think Todd [Helbing] and I both gravitate to a lot in movies and books and TV which is like ‘happy sad’. I really love happy sad. I like to smile and kind of cry at the same time and we just felt like this kind of had all of that stuff. And it was beautiful and it kind of encapsulated what the show is."

What did you think about the Superman & Lois finale?

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TheJester187
TheJester187 - 12/4/2024, 3:37 PM
Least they tried gettin to characters we all want. I’d take a Darkseid version in this series had it went farther. But the Gunn regime has bigger plans I’m sure.
dracula
dracula - 12/4/2024, 3:39 PM
Well they still managed to give us a great end to this era

ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 12/4/2024, 3:41 PM
Bummer to hear that. I would've loved a season focused on Brainiac and getting more backstory on Krypton as well as a final season devoted to Darkseid and the threat of Apokolips. It would've been cool for Clark to get more allies like Orion and Mr. Miracle and Big Barda.
RichardGrayson
RichardGrayson - 12/4/2024, 3:42 PM
Too little too late. They wasted the first two seasons with truly horrible villains no one wanted to see. They had plenty of opportunities to give us what we wanted but they waited til the last two seasons to give fans anything they wanted to see.

A more traditional Parasite interpretation would’ve been nice. Metallo, Brainiac, Toyman, Mxyzptlk… that’s what I wanted to see. Not so much Zod since we’ve seen him so much but I would’ve been open to it.
99OPTIMISTPRIME
99OPTIMISTPRIME - 12/4/2024, 4:17 PM
Assuming the budget isn't an issue, I think television is the best overall medium for superheroes. So much more content! Imagine right after The Batman had come out, there had been a prequel series showing Bruce training, and going into Year One. Or Selina becoming Catwoman in Blüdhaven. A story we'll likely never see.
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 12/4/2024, 5:00 PM
Such a damn shame. [frick] you WB.
jparr2
jparr2 - 12/4/2024, 5:17 PM
Why must people always shit on something... I thought this finale was great, i was mad, i was happy, i cried, all good feelings. it was well acted well written.. and a solid finale to a great show...
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 12/4/2024, 5:19 PM
@jparr2 - agreed

It was a solid show & finale that cemented itself as one of , if not my favorite takes on Superman and his mythos
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 12/4/2024, 5:42 PM
I would have been very interested to see their take on Brainiac considering this version of Milton Fine seems very much human (then again , so was the comic version until he was possessed)..

Anyway the actor did a good job of being creepy, arrogant , even a bit robotic and even funny at times aswell so could have been intriguing to see him in a bigger role presumably in S5 but oh well.

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Them doing Darkseid could have been cool too depending on their take…

I didn’t love Smallville’s take on the character but the idea of him being this ancient evil that would be present during humanity’s darkest times & corrupt people but had his body destroyed eons ago by Orion was a cool idea on paper so if they had done that while giving him a physical presence on the show to an extent (depending on budget) then that could have worked for me.

Regardless aside from minor complaints such as rough cg at times and a cheesy moment perhaps here and there at the end , it was a solid & emotional ending to a show that I’ll dearly miss and wish went on longer!!.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 12/4/2024, 5:47 PM
This show did a good job with its main villains imo (for the most part).

I liked their take on Lex aswell as Bruno Mannheim but it might have been the somewhat original character they made in Tal-Rho that might have been my favorite..

An amalgamation of Morgan Edge ,The Eradicator and even H’el I feel , he was a character that initially was just kind of there for me in his businessman persona but once his true identity & plan was revealed he really came to life for me not just because of the writing but Adam Rayner’s performance aswell.

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I enjoyed their Thor & Loki-esque dynamic aswell as Tao’s redemption arc in S2.

The only real weak link imo was Ally Allston/Parasite , the actress did well and the character was ultimately fine but she just wasn’t fleshed out enough at all imo.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 12/4/2024, 5:54 PM
If they were ever getting to Darkseid, I wouldn't have minded a Final Crisis adaptation. Would've been a cool proper cross-over finale to the Arrowverse imo. Same for Brainiac though.
SummersClan
SummersClan - 12/4/2024, 6:02 PM
I wasn’t too big on this series or any of the CW era stuff, still felt too teen drama like in certain instances, but S&L is easily the best of the bunch, and despite my criticisms of some of their watered down interpretations of villains like Brainiac or Lex, I did ultimately enjoy Tyler and Bitsie’s versions of the titular characters. Probably my favorites since Cain and Thatcher’s.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 12/4/2024, 6:16 PM
@SummersClan - fair enough

The drama especially the teen side I always felt was stronger and better written for the most part here then it had been at times in the other shows.

I don’t really count this as interpretation of Brainiac since we never really saw him become that fully I feel due to it being forced to end prematurely but I have heard some divisiveness for this Lex which I can understand to an extent.

He’s definitely darker , brutal ,vengeful and more ruthless , perhaps was the most physically imposing Lex aswell.

He wasn’t really the ten steps ahead genius but was still intelligent and his look and persona made more sense once we found out he came from an abusive home and not from money.

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TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 12/4/2024, 7:21 PM
I rewatched the finale and, while I still hate the cgi and the fights in the finale, I did warm up to the second half of the finale where they went into the future. Still not the finale I wanted, there was no clever twists or cool moments and we didn't even REALLY get to see Superman and his boys team up to take down Doomsday in a 3v1 scenario like I was hoping. And I still think Superman punching Luthor repeatedly to beat him was super stupid for Lex to keep rushing him like that. Lex just shit the bed in the finale. And the Asian lady henchmen working for Lex suddenly forgot how to act like a human being in her Smallville scenes with the worst acting I've seen on the show since they cast Jimmy Olsen.

BUT, from the wedding scene forward, I liked how they chose to wrap it up. I thought showing Clark in the afterlife was a little bit too cheesy, but it was a nice little goodbye to the cast of the show itself.

And over all, I did love this show.

I wish it hadn't wasted the first 3 seasons before taking on real threats like Lex and Doomsday, the first 2 seasons they basically made up their own bullshit and wasted people's time. But when this show was at its best, it was a great Superman show.

And it wasn't DEXTER levels of trash finale.

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