THEORY: WANDAVISION May Finally Reveal Whether The Marvel Television Shows Are Canon Or Not - SPOILERS

THEORY: WANDAVISION May Finally Reveal Whether The Marvel Television Shows Are Canon Or Not - SPOILERS

There's been a lot of debate surrounding whether the Marvel Television shows (Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Daredevil, for example) are canon, but could WandaVision finally provide us with some answers?

By JoshWilding - Feb 19, 2021 11:02 AM EST
Filed Under: WandaVision

Marvel Studios and the now defunct Marvel Television were always two very separate entities. Kevin Feige is in charge of the former, while Jeph Loeb was tasked by Marvel Entertainment CEO Ike Perlmutter with bringing a long list of different characters to the small screen.

When Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. launched in 2013, there were reports that Feige was unhappy with the company's decision to expand the Marvel Cinematic Universe on television through the Disney-owned ABC; however, the series still featured some significant crossovers, with Nick Fury and Lady Sif among the most noteworthy guest stars. Then, in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Marvel Studios revealed that S.H.I.E.L.D was no more - a pretty drastic move when Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. had only really just started! 

From that point on, crossovers were few and far between, and became even less frequent when Feige broke free of Perlmutter and took on 100% creative control of the MCU. Other shows launched on Netflix featuring characters like Daredevil and Luke Cage, but they remained stuck in what can only be described as a "timeline limbo" (post-Battle of New York). That continued in later seasons, and the shows never referenced key events like the superhero "Civil War" to the death of major characters.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., meanwhile, became increasingly standalone in nature, while the likes of Runaways and Cloak & Dagger are barely connected to the MCU. Helstrom didn't even feature any "Marvel" branding prominently on marketing materials, likely due to Feige not wanting people to mistake that mess of a series for what they were doing on Disney+ as Marvel Studios Television. 

In today's episode of WandaVision, we're introduced to a book which appears to be the Darkhold. That featured prominently in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Runaways, but looks totally different here. Of course, it could be something else altogether, but assuming it is the Darkhold, we might finally learn whether these Marvel Television shows are "canon."

Yes, they're set in the MCU, but is it the MCU? None of these TV show characters have appeared in the movies, while a 2015 interview with Feige revealed that he hadn't even watched Daredevil weeks after it had aired. Would someone in control of a world where everything is connected really sit down and start researching all these shows to bring those existing characters into the MCU as we know it?

However, the likes of Daredevil, Ghost Rider, and Deathlok are all too rich in storytelling potential to forever be left on the shelf, so chances are we will see them again. Marvel Studios has just introduced S.W.O.R.D. in WandaVision, but isn't it naive to think that someone will eventually mention that S.H.I.E.L.D. didn't fall and has actually been operating in secret, with an LMD Agent Coulson, time-travelling, outer space visits, and some dude called Mack on a Helicarrier wearing Nick Fury's old jacket? To imagine any of that would one day pop up in The Falcon and The Winter Soldier, for example, is insane. 

Wherever you stand on this issue (and there are some who simply cannot fathom these shows not being considered canon), then WandaVision might finally confirm things either way...or continue to leave us in the dark. Many will argue that the Marvel Television shows must be canon because Daredevil is reportedly part of Spider-Man 3; well, even if Charlie Cox is suiting up again (and we really hope he is), do you expect Feige to be beholden to the idiotic creative decisions made in that series? When Iron Fist is finally reintroduced, should he continue to be a bozo who needs a nap after using his powers? Ms. Marvel is an Inhuman, and there are rumblings the disastrous Inhumans TV series will be referenced as just a TV show. The Incredible Hulk was a critical and commercial disappointment with a difficult lead, but the events of that 2008 movie didn't become "just a TV show" in The Avengers when Mark Ruffalo was cast as Bruce Banner.

If we had to guess, Feige will pick and choose characters and actors from these shows for the MCU...minus the baggage. Hopefully, WandaVision makes things clear, but if that book is the Darkhold, and it isn't related to what we've seen on TV before now...well, it's time to accept that the only projects considered canon are those with the Marvel Studios logo in front of them. 

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Godzilla2000Zer
Godzilla2000Zer - 2/19/2021, 11:35 AM
Different times that no longer apply but we'll see
colonel179
colonel179 - 2/19/2021, 11:35 AM
I think Marvel wants to join everything as multiverse, but not exactly make all part of the MCU. If it's true that we will see other Spider-men in Spider-man 3, then this could mean that they want to acknowledge their existence, but that's it.
Reeds2Much
Reeds2Much - 2/19/2021, 11:35 AM
Eh, if they're not canon to the main 199999 line, they'd still be canon to the greater multiverse simply by existing.
Armageddon26
Armageddon26 - 2/19/2021, 11:48 AM
@Reeds2Much - Exactly. Plus all the shows are already one connected universe that are canon with MCU movies, so just from the television side an MCU exists, and are apart of the MCU multiverse no matter what, so it’s where to debate
TheRose
TheRose - 2/19/2021, 11:36 AM
Hydra Soap. The Hula Girl. Man-Thing and the Nexus of All Realities.

If Wandavision isn't connected to Agents of Shield, then the writers at least have to be fans of the series. I'm happy no matter what - Agents of Shield is fine standing alone on its own - but if there is a chance FitzSimmons, Agent May, and Daisy can make it to the big screen (or even the small screen on Disney+), I'll be ecstatic!
TheSavage
TheSavage - 2/19/2021, 6:22 PM
@TheRose - did the voice behind the camera sound like Coulson to anyone else, or just me?
Fogs
Fogs - 2/19/2021, 6:55 PM
@TheSavage - it was agatha
TheRose
TheRose - 2/19/2021, 7:34 PM
@Fogs - all along.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 2/19/2021, 10:47 PM
Could we see Agents Coulson for example?
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 2/19/2021, 11:36 AM
We'll finally get confirmation.

I just rewatched the episode, I didn't notice in the post credit scene Monica's eyes turned purple. So does this mean Peters has magic too and has Monica or did Agatha control her?
Goldboink
Goldboink - 2/19/2021, 12:18 PM
@MyCoolYoung -
Monica gets her powers when she goes back into the He. You can see from her POV that she can see energy patterns. Here eyes did glow at one point but I don't remember the color. She is full on Spectrum now.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 2/19/2021, 12:23 PM
@Goldboink - they glowed white when she was coming into her powers. In the post credit scene when she opens the door her eyes turns purple like Agatha's magic
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 2/19/2021, 12:37 PM
@Goldboink -



Look at the difference
Goldboink
Goldboink - 2/19/2021, 12:39 PM
@MyCoolYoung -
I will be rewatching this evening and looking for those fine details. BTW I think that Peters is Nightmare and that there is a big bad over all of them, which will be Mephisto played by Pacino.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 2/19/2021, 12:40 PM
@MyCoolYoung -
Possession is certainly a possibility. Monica is in the sphere of control as it were so it would make sense.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 2/19/2021, 12:49 PM
@Goldboink - at first it seemed like she was resisting control with her spectrum powers. I’m not sure we’ll get both.

I have a theory. I think nightmare is in the darkhold. Somehow he’s communicated with Agatha. Maybe he’s told her about Wanda and the state she’s in and how she can be manipulated in her state.

I think Agatha wants Wanda’s powers to maybe resurrect her coven because that’s what makes witches stronger and nightmare maybe wants her powers as a conduit to his own. Agatha is controlling Pietro or maybe nightmare is inside of him and now that she has Wanda he’ll be inside Wanda now too
Deonox
Deonox - 2/19/2021, 2:10 PM
@MyCoolYoung - While i can see wehre you're going with this, i think its just the color grading effect from switching from 2000's sitcom to horror. Look at her shirt, you can see the color shift. Not saying you're wrong but just something to consider
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 2/19/2021, 2:35 PM
@Deonox - but they didn't switch sitcoms while she was there. Her eyes were her regular color before opening the basement door then once she opened the door they turned purple
Goldboink
Goldboink - 2/19/2021, 5:13 PM
@MyCoolYoung -
Yea, that was Agatha Purple all right.

I guess I will have effin' wait to find out what is going on. I feel a nasty year long cliffhanger though. All will be answered in march of 2022. Effers!
Origame
Origame - 2/19/2021, 5:44 PM
@MyCoolYoung - that might just be an error with the effect. You also saw that with the flash, where his lightning started looking red at one point and theories were going out that he is actually reverse flash but it was just the regular lightning effect blending with the blur from his red costume. It's possible something similar is happening here. Not saying you don't have a point but it really might not be intentional.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 2/19/2021, 6:04 PM
@Origame - with this it just seemed real international. She started to make the same face Wanda did when she started to go under the influence.

If they made that kind of mistake after all those months to edit it... yikes
Deonox
Deonox - 2/22/2021, 7:36 AM
@MyCoolYoung - Sorry i meant the colors of her energy eyes are different because it switched to the horror color pallet at the end. I assumed she accidentally activated them like when Wanda tried to slam her
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 2/19/2021, 11:36 AM
Aight. These are movies, they reuse actors, doesn’t make something canon. Shows definitely aren’t canon considering when AOU dropped it was stated that coulson is dead as far movies are concerned meaning AoS was just a pipe dream by marvel tv
DaHyro
DaHyro - 2/19/2021, 11:38 AM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - I mean, if Agent Carter is canon, why can’t AOU be too? Peggy’s show only exists because of SHIELD’s success, it was run on the same network, and even had ties and connections to it.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 2/19/2021, 11:46 AM
@DaHyro - yup. Sosa was in the last season
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 2/19/2021, 11:53 AM
@DaHyro - not saying it can’t however. If the people (Feige and co.) writing the story are telling you and showing you that they do not consider that to be part of the story they’re telling then it’s not canon simple as that, fans read way too far into things sometimes , good at times and bad at others
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