AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY Rumored New Details On Doctor Doom And Plans For The Spider-Men - Possible SPOILERS

AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY Rumored New Details On Doctor Doom And Plans For The Spider-Men - Possible SPOILERS

We have a fresh round of Avengers: Doomsday rumours to share with you today, including possible details on how Doctor Doom will be portrayed and plans for Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield's Spider-Men...

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By JoshWilding - Dec 11, 2024 04:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Doomsday

Following the news that Chris Evans has joined the cast of Avengers: Doomsday, interest in the movie has quickly started to rise. The Multiverse opens the door to endless possibilities, and with Doctor Doom taking Kang the Conqueror's place, we're all eager to learn more about the 2026 release.

According to The Cosmic Circus' Alex Perez, Doctor Strange is "60%" the reason that "there's a Secret Wars happening." We've already seen the damage his Variants have done to the Multiverse and we can only assume that whatever he and Clea have been up to has done little to help matters. 

As for the other 40%, the scooper points to Spider-Man, the Scarlet Witch, Loki, and Doctor Doom. 

Original plans called for the Multiverse's Mightiest Heroes battling Kang's Variants in Avengers: The Kang Dynasty, but with Doom now front and centre, what should we expect from the villain played by Robert Downey Jr.? 

"The biggest advice I can give everyone [right now] heading into these films is to pretty much erase everything you think you know about Doctor Doom moving forward," Perez says. "Yes, Doom is a massive villain in the comics and in media, but they’re going to give him the Thanos treatment."

"He’ll be presented as the antagonist to the Avengers, sure," he continued. "But the way they do it is going to make it seem as though Doom has a point in what he’s doing. So much so that it’ll make you question whether Doom is the villain, or if he’s actually the hero."

He'd later go on to say that the stories of Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield's respective Spider-Men will "end in the next 3 years," adding, "You're not getting solo films from them."

Finally, he shared the names of six actors and characters we should expect to see in Avengers: Doomsday alongside Evans, Benedict Cumberbatch, and Tom Holland: 

- Brie Larson as Captain Marvel
- Iman Vellani as Kamala Khan
- Chris Hemsworth as Thor
- Mark Ruffalo as Bruce Banner
- Paul Rudd as Ant-Man
- Benedict Wong as Wong

Rumours continue to swirl about Marvel Studios' plans for these movies and we're sure scoopers will continue churning out wild claims right up until that release date. However, everything here sounds pretty plausible and Doom is sounding like a far more effective antagonist than the likes of Rama-Tut and the Scarlet Centurion.

Avengers: Doomsday is set to be released in May 2026, with Avengers: Secret Wars scheduled to arrive in May 2027.

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ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 12/11/2024, 5:12 AM
Whatever it is, make it exceptional..... make it a reason to care about secret wars, and make it all circle back to a new beginning that is better for the mistakes that came beforehand.

Oh, and make Logan short, and make Justin Long Bruce Banner
Fogs
Fogs - 12/11/2024, 5:28 AM
Eh, let's see. I don't have high expectations, unfortunately.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 12/11/2024, 6:22 AM
I’m confused…

Why would I need to forget everything I have known about Doom moving forward just because this version might have a point like Thanos and other villains in media have had?.

I guess it depends on the writer but Doom isn’t always written as a egotistical mustache twirling villain with no depth especially nowadays…

Hell , one of my favorite Doom moments in his facing off against Bast in Doomwar.

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That above complexity is what makes Doom one of if not the greatest villain is because he truly believes in what he is doing and along the way, might even make you believe aswell which if that’s the route they are going then I’m all for!!.

Honestly , RDJ even hinted at it during his reveal when he said “new mask , same task” so likely this Doom believes he is saving the universe in some way.
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 12/11/2024, 6:22 AM
Does CBM work for Cosmic Circle jerk? I mean I get the guy has a "history" but Wilding, bro.. its been what? Fast approaching 20 years... (you can tell im not a Perez fan)...
FrankenDad
FrankenDad - 12/11/2024, 6:23 AM
That is some pretty generalized guessing. You could make the argument that Thanos had the same type of “was he right?” in the MCU. He killed half the universe for plentiful resources versus the comics where he wants Death to bang him.
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 12/11/2024, 6:28 AM
@FrankenDad - Right? I mean I have absolutely made the "Thanos was right" argument. I think there are coffee mugs with that statement on etsy. :D
I hope they dont take they cheap way out and use a similar argument for Doom.

But seriously... Thanos was right. He wasnt a bad guy, he was trying to save the multiverse and all worlds at any cost. Annnnnnnnnnnnd just like in real life, resources are finite. There has to be correction. ;)
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 12/11/2024, 6:30 AM
@FrankenDad - Maybe Marvel could use that thought as a self reflection... The universe is Marvel, the fans are Thanos. If we dont like what we see, we can snap our fingers and destroy their world (or at least half of it). So, they should use their finite resources to make sure we are getting a good product so we dont snap. :P
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 12/11/2024, 7:14 AM
@AgentofSH1ELD - Thanos was an idealistic pragmatist, whose ethical foundations made him an absolute villain.

Also, with the pragmatist ideal in mind, he could have thought a little outside the box and just increased the resources to an unlimited scale, or spread things out to create a perpetual system of growth, where the creature-resource ratio would keep at a constant state of plenty. But no, he had to kill half the universe and leave the other half with suicidal trauma.
kg8817
kg8817 - 12/11/2024, 7:16 AM
@FrankenDad - There was a rumor like 2 years ago that said Loki season 2 and Quantumania were leading to Kang Dynasty to basically tell the story that Kang survived the first Multiversal war and is now starting a second one, not because of his variants, but because of Stephen Strange’s. That across the multiverse, he was the greatest threat. MoM touched on this, and they said that Kang was going to be presented as the hero and 616 Strange essentially the villain.

It sounds like they’re keeping this storyline, and using Doom instead of Kang which works MUCH better as it fits Doom’s entire character.

I really don’t have a problem with this as I do not need to see Doom fight the fantastic four. Like I get people want to see that but for years we have been asking them to do Doom right, which at its essence means use Doom as a Marvel universe threat, which they’re doing here regardless of RDJ or not.

It works and I understand people don’t like it and I absolutely think Disney has a huge uphill battle to get the general public onboard with Downey back as Doom, but I think the core character arc for him can work very well. I’m cautiously optimistic.
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 12/11/2024, 8:18 AM
@JustAWaffle - ehhh. definately not idealistic pragmatist... at all. Maybe look up characteristics of one with that definition and you will see. I mean.. to be what you are describing you would have to have a grounded sense of reality while going after what you want.

Thanos was psychotic. Smart as hell, only saw his way and it impacted his thought pattern.
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 12/11/2024, 10:01 AM
@AgentofSH1ELD - No I’m certainly right on this. You added layers, which I would mostly agree with, but that was an accurate ethical prognosis I gave him.
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 12/11/2024, 10:04 AM
@JustAWaffle - nope. it wasnt. quick google search can prove my point.
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 12/11/2024, 10:06 AM
@AgentofSH1ELD - 3 years of a masters education on ethics and philosophy gave me a pass on Google.
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 12/11/2024, 10:06 AM
@JustAWaffle - get your money back.
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 12/11/2024, 10:08 AM
@AgentofSH1ELD - Free ride 🤓 🪖🎖️
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 12/11/2024, 10:15 AM
@JustAWaffle - Some principles of pragmatic idealism include:
Believing in your dreams and making them happen
Focusing on what can be done and negotiating what can't
Remembering that you are part of a larger group and others will continue your work
Gathering people to work with you
These are traits of someone like Ghandi.

Thanos was psychotic. He made up his own solution to a problem, often believing things that reality proves were not true. Example: the only way to fix it is to kill half of all living things. When, as even you stated, there are endless possibilities for a fix with that glove. Snap and create more resources.
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 12/11/2024, 10:15 AM
@JustAWaffle - democrat or canadian?
StSteven
StSteven - 12/11/2024, 1:19 PM
@FrankenDad - Well, to be fair, I would do a lot of ethically questionable things to bang Aubrey Plaza too. Jus' sayin'.
FrankenDad
FrankenDad - 12/11/2024, 1:58 PM
@StSteven - truth
McMurdo
McMurdo - 12/11/2024, 8:15 PM
@JustAWaffle - basically you're just confirming Thanos is an idiot.
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 12/12/2024, 3:54 AM
@AgentofSH1ELD - CzechoAmeričan
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 12/12/2024, 5:27 AM
@JustAWaffle - ah. Marxist.
Makes sense now.
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 12/12/2024, 5:31 AM
@McMurdo - far from it. so intelligent he was crazy. Throughout history all the smart ones were crazy.
But Thanos was not a Pragmatic Idealist. Most of your politicians would qualify and Pragmatics. Thanos was nuts. Unfortunately, our fellow CMBer is attempting to label him incorrectly. He has an argument, but he is wrong.
How could you put Ghandi (textbook pragmatic) and Thanos in the same mental health category?
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 12/12/2024, 5:31 AM
@JustAWaffle - FYI: I was disappointed you didn't say "neither, just a waffle"
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 12/12/2024, 5:53 AM
@AgentofSH1ELD - Marxist? That’s a wild assumption.

For the love of all that is holy, please point to the location on this thread that would give you that idea?
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 12/12/2024, 5:55 AM
@AgentofSH1ELD - AH! I had my chance User Comment Image
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 12/12/2024, 6:00 AM
@AgentofSH1ELD - for the sake of getting back to the original point. I agree with you that he was psychotic. But if you look at his ethical foundations. He had an ideal for the universe and he took a pragmatic route to get there.

Ethical pragmatism is a utilitarian view of right and wrong that sees what functionally works for the benefit of self or society as the basis for calling something good. Therefore Thanos was an idealistic pragmatist at his foundation. What builds on that foundation is what you are talking about (and where we find agreement).
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 12/12/2024, 6:42 AM
@JustAWaffle - im pointing to it right now but aside from taking a screen shot and reposting (exhausting work) you will just have to take my word for it. ;)
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 12/12/2024, 6:52 AM
@JustAWaffle - BUT the reason I disagree is, typically a Pragmatic Idealist, would work to find a solution that is morally accepted and taking into account how a decision will affect others!!!! Thanos didnt care about anyone other than his own agenda. He recognized the implications of his decisions, but chose to follow only one solution!!! you said this yourself. he could have found millions of scenarios when he had the stones. But he didnt! he was blinded by his obsession on 1 solution. This is why its a psychoses.
Captain America is more of a Pragmatic Idealist than anyone. There's a problem, we will fix it together and we wont kill anyone in the process.
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 12/12/2024, 6:53 AM
@JustAWaffle - Had he attempted other solutions, I would be inclined to agree with you.. he did not.
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 12/12/2024, 6:57 AM
@JustAWaffle - not picking on you, but because Thanos is also a classic sociopath, he has manipulated you into thinking he was a pragmatic idealist.
Pragmatic? yes. Idealist? potentially.. but when you put them together he does not fit the bill
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 12/12/2024, 6:58 AM
@JustAWaffle - can i say i love how (for once) someone is actually engaging in debate and not being a complete douche about it? So, Thank you!!!
Also, I love how we are talking about Thanos as he is real :D
I need to look around, im sure there are books about his mental state that would benefit my argument.
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 12/12/2024, 8:37 AM
@AgentofSH1ELD - I too appreciate the engagement with the material, and I think it’s good to look at fictional characters as cases studies of concepts like this, since they can in turn have real world impact on peoples lives.

And I’m not trying to poke you here either, but I don’t think you understand the terminology and categories. Look at my definition above. It is a matter of foundations. You might have a positive view of the term pragmatism, but it is simply a neutral word for utilitarian (or what works). It can be either good or bad in execution by its function, and in Thanos’ case, we agree he’s psychotic, so therefore bad. But as a foundation of ethics, pragmatism is like a guy sitting on a branch and sawing the root of the branch off as he expects to stay there once he’s cut through. Same goes for relativism. They do not have an objective reference point to make the kind of positive claims they make. Even the atheist philosopher Jean Paul Sartre said something to the effect that without an infinite reference point, all finite reference points are meaningless. But there is enough evidence in the world we live in to point to objective moral norms and duties, and the only way those possess any meaning is if moral realism is true.

Coming back, Thanos doesn’t care about anyone or anything but his own agenda, since he has diluted himself into thinking that his psychotic path is the only way. But his ultimate good is rooted in what will ultimately work to his own ends, and his ideals are what drive this. He will destroy planets, people, and even his own adopted daughter in order to achieve his goals. This is classic utilitarianism.

“Captain America is more of a Pragmatic Idealist than anyone.”
I can’t disagree more. Cap may have had to use pragmatism in function from time to time, but his foundations are rooted in moral realism and virtue ethics. There’s absolutely no debate about that.
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 12/12/2024, 10:48 AM
@JustAWaffle -At least I know youre reading my posts. Cap- Agree. Started looking at random "cap" decisions over time and that was definitely a miss call.

While you still believe in the thought for Thanos, I still have to disagree. For me, its a matter of ticking the check boxes. He doesnt fit them all. Not even a majority. And again, by his own thought of being stuck on one solution practically disqualifies him from the category. Not to mention knowing that his decision would negatively impact others, having the means to change that decision but ignoring those means because his mind was made up! Now, had he not been a cold blood killer, I would potentially agree with the title..
But look at how he enjoyed killing. Even beyond taking out half of all life in existence, he had a predisposition for killing. With that trait alone he is disqualified. One could argue he didnt actually care about saving life by destroying life. He just wanted to kill as much as he could and the stones were the easiest way. Look at how he took Earth fighting back: "What I'm about to do to your stubbern...planet, I'm going to enjoy very very much".
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 12/12/2024, 10:59 AM
@JustAWaffle - wait. now you have changed... utilitarianism is different than pragmatism.. Are you conceding? because its a difference of what works vs whats easiest... Whats best for everyone vs whats best for what i want.

Here's a good one. Thomas Robert Malthus. Its a little extreme and more of an ideal than a disorder but Malthusian:population is going to continue to grow, but resources stay the same. population outgrows resources leading to whats known as Malthusian disaster. Mix that with a sociopath/psychotic and thats practically a mental nuke.
Corruptor
Corruptor - 12/12/2024, 2:36 PM
@FrankenDad - Death banging is more interesting.
FrankenDad
FrankenDad - 12/12/2024, 2:47 PM
@Corruptor - 100%
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 12/11/2024, 6:25 AM
Either way, lets just ask MTTS his theory. ugh.

I hope they just do Doom justice. IDFC what else happens. Doom is one of the most iconic/recognizable villains in all of media. Marvel: dont [frick] this up.
HammerLegFoot
HammerLegFoot - 12/11/2024, 6:27 AM
So if they make Doom the ultimate big bad here, could he still be used as a villain in future Fantastic Four movies? IF you catch my drift
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 12/11/2024, 6:36 AM
@HammerLegFoot - I think that’s part of the reason some have an issue with this is that I doubt we get RDJ as Doom for more then these 2 films so likely we’ll have to get a new actor post SW to play the role which could be confusing and at that point feels like they should have just waited instead

Plus to have him be the main baddie in this big epic film then go back to FF where while it still can be big , it still won’t be to that level feels like a step back.

We’ll see but I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the last we see of Doom , for awhile atleast.
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