Does AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY's Doctor Doom Come From THE FANTASTIC FOUR's Earth-828? Here's What We Know - SPOILERS

Does AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY's Doctor Doom Come From THE FANTASTIC FOUR's Earth-828? Here's What We Know - SPOILERS

There's a lot of intrigue surrounding Avengers: Doomsday's Doctor Doom (where he'll be portrayed by Robert Downey Jr.), but does The Fantastic Four: First Steps provide any answers about the villain?

By JoshWilding - Jul 23, 2025 06:07 PM EST
Filed Under: Fantastic Four

When Marvel Studios decided that Kang wasn't clicking as the Multiverse Saga's big bad (Jonathan Majors' legal issues also factored into that, of course), Kevin Feige decided to pivot to Doctor Doom.

At last year's San Diego Comic-Con, we learned that Robert Downey Jr. will play the villain in Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars. While that's an exciting prospect, many fans feel Doom would be better served having a history with the Fantastic Four. After all, despite frequently clashing with The Avengers, he's primarily one of that team's villains, and his connection with Reed Richards dates back to their college years. 

The Fantastic Four: First Steps is now playing in theaters internationally, and the movie is arguably Marvel Studios' best opportunity to establish a connection between the MCU's First Family and Doom before Avengers: Doomsday's release next December. 

While Doom does appear in the reboot's mid-credits scene (you can learn more about that here), there's no mention of this iteration of the team having previously crossed paths with Victor. 

Latveria does, however, exist on Earth-828 as there are a couple of scenes where we see the country's flag in the U.N. (the seat next to it is empty, suggesting Doom's nation has declined to send a representative, even with the world facing annihilation). 

The opening montage makes no mention of Doom, and neither does the team's cartoon intro that features villains like Dragon Man, Puppet Master, and Diablo. Downey's Victor might have faced the Fantastic Four on his Earth, but it would be strange for this version of the team to first encounter Doom when he seemingly kidnaps their child. 

Sue's reaction to Doom being in the Baxter Building isn't shown, and it's down to Avengers: Doomsday to expand on the stinger and whether Victor's quest to "save" the Multiverse begins on Earth-828 or whether this is just his first stop.

Marvel Studios looks to be hedging its bets, and The Fantastic Four: First Steps makes it so that Doom could be from Earth-828 if Avengers: Doomsday decides to head in that direction. Alternatively, it might be that there's only one Power Cosmic-imbued Franklin Richards in the Multiverse, and it's that which drew Doom to Earth-828.

Still, Latveria has never been mentioned on the Sacred Timeline (Earth-616), so the fact that the fictional country exists in the Fantastic Four's reality has to meet something. We'd bet on Doom being from Earth-828, but let's wait and see.

In our review of the movie, we concluded, "The Fantastic Four is an exceptional introduction to the MCU’s First Family, and thanks to a Jack Kirby-infused feel that’s unlike anything we’ve seen before, it proves to be a quintessential superhero movie with Marvel Studios at its brilliant best."

The Fantastic Four: First Steps is now playing in theaters. 

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harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 7/23/2025, 6:57 PM
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Lisa89
Lisa89 - 7/23/2025, 7:07 PM
@harryba11zack - Stretching credulity.
Huskers
Huskers - 7/23/2025, 7:29 PM
So a whole article to say, we don’t know.
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 7/23/2025, 7:41 PM
@Huskers - That's our Josh!

SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 7/23/2025, 7:45 PM
@Huskers - Josh has a weekly quota to meet. 🫤
TheDpool
TheDpool - 7/24/2025, 12:09 AM
@Huskers - How 80% of these articles work now. A majority of the time you scan through an article just to get "So we're guessing" or they sway towards a rumor that they've most likely made up or heard on X.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 7/24/2025, 1:02 AM
@Huskers - Josh Is amazing
.all praise the Wildick
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 7/24/2025, 1:02 AM
@SuperiorHeckler - i mean Derek Chauvin too ...but this Is getting Out of hand
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 7/23/2025, 7:38 PM
I'm trying to not read anything but I find it surprising that Josh nor anyone writing these spoiler filled articles isn't using the usual red highlighted color text for the SPOILERS parts inside, to be honest. It always acts as a warning so not seeing them is kind of jarring.

Anyway back to avoiding most of these until Saturday, hopefully.
VictorSmegma
VictorSmegma - 7/23/2025, 9:48 PM
@NinnesMBC - Clearly, you're not trying to avoid most of these, because you're clicking on the links, perusing through enough to notice no red text, and taking the time to comment. "not seeing them is kind of jarring." We'll let you know if your balls ever arrive.
Gambito
Gambito - 7/23/2025, 7:44 PM
It would make the most sense considering the world knows that Galactus wanted Franklin, maybe victor figures out the capabilities the kid has and kidnaps him into 616 with the 4 in pursuit
DarthOmega
DarthOmega - 7/23/2025, 7:58 PM
Was this shared here already? If not, I thought it was pretty cool

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AllsGood
AllsGood - 7/23/2025, 8:10 PM
Marvel Studios The Fantastic Four: First Steps Rotten Tomatoes Score.

88%

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vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 7/23/2025, 8:18 PM
OT.

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VictorSmegma
VictorSmegma - 7/23/2025, 8:33 PM
@vectorsigma - No
Reginator
Reginator - 7/23/2025, 8:57 PM
@vectorsigma - hell no
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 7/23/2025, 9:10 PM
@VictorSmegma - hi Josh wilding 😂
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 7/23/2025, 9:11 PM
@Reginator - your loss 🥲
VictorSmegma
VictorSmegma - 7/23/2025, 9:42 PM
@vectorsigma - Not really. Most of us simply aren't into kiddie-fetish animated films like you are.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 7/23/2025, 9:51 PM
@VictorSmegma - lolz, "kiddie"

You dont know what you are saying mr. Wilding 😭
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 7/24/2025, 1:03 AM
@vectorsigma - THis movie Will make amazing R34
DocSpock
DocSpock - 7/24/2025, 1:04 AM
@vectorsigma -

You should stop tossing this in threads that have nothing to do with it. You have made some good articles regarding this and other things, but if wear everyone out with this, they will turn on you.

Just my opinion, but I've been here since 6 months after the site began, and I have seen such things before.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 7/24/2025, 2:02 AM
@DocSpock - it will stop eventually like last time, never even thought of getting an eng dub

If i attach it to my comments, like a footer, it wont be OT anymore i guess. But thanks
PC04
PC04 - 7/24/2025, 12:04 PM
@DocSpock - 100% Agree. It gets annoying.
TheJester187
TheJester187 - 7/23/2025, 8:38 PM
Doin too much smh the different earth shit is so stupid.
RolandD
RolandD - 7/23/2025, 8:57 PM
Give us at least a chance to see the movie before you start spreading spoilers. This is ridiculous!
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 7/24/2025, 1:04 AM
@RolandD - i gave him permision
ogrodafloresta
ogrodafloresta - 7/23/2025, 10:51 PM
Is it Doom in the mid-credits scene? Or is it the child actor’s father dressed as Doom? They couldn’t pu RDJ, at least, SAYING SOMETHING? I’m done with Marvel…
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 7/24/2025, 1:44 AM
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ogrodafloresta
ogrodafloresta - 7/24/2025, 9:18 PM
@KennKathleen - Believe, brother. Could've been anyone. They don't show his face.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 7/24/2025, 9:38 PM
@ogrodafloresta -

"I’m done with Marvel…"

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