Why Robert Downey Jr. Returning As Doctor Doom Is A Bad Idea - Especially If He's Not Playing A Stark Variant

Why Robert Downey Jr. Returning As Doctor Doom Is A Bad Idea - Especially If He's Not Playing A Stark Variant

The news that Robert Downey Jr. is set to make his MCU return as Doctor Doom in Avengers: Doomsday was greeted with a lot of trepidation from fans, and I'm not at all surprised...

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By MarkCassidy - Aug 25, 2024 01:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Doomsday

In one of the most surprising - not to mention divisive - Comic-Con announcements yet, we learned that Robert Downey Jr. would be returning to the Marvel Cinematic Universe as Doctor Doom during Marvel Studios' Hall H presentation earlier this month.

Recent rumors had claimed that RDJ would be playing an evil Variant of Tony Stark, but the actor was introduced as "Victor Von Doom," and follow-up comments from the Oppenheimer star seemed to confirm that he has indeed been cast as an entirely new character.

Since the news broke, fans have been weighing up the pros and cons of Downey being reintroduced to the MCU as Doctor Doom, and while I am in the "let's wait and see" camp to a degree, I can't help but feel some concern that this is simply blatant stunt casting that could blow up in Kevin Feige's face - especially if Downey is not playing a Stark variant.

If Doom debuts as an alternate universe Iron Man who went down a darker path, it would at least make some sense in relation to the established rules of the Multiverse, and leave the door open to another actor suiting-up as the villain down the line. But are we just supposed to play along and accept it if Downey steps onto the screen as a completely new character with zero explanation?

Sure, other actors have played dual roles in the MCU before, but this isn't like Chris Evans pulling double-duty as the Human Torch and Captain America in two separate franchises, or even Gemma Chan playing Minn-Erva (with about three minutes of screen time) in Captain Marvel before taking on the role of Sersi in Eternals.

This is Robert Downey f*cking Jr. we're talking about here. The face of the Marvel Cinematic Universe for well over a decade. Yes, he is a versatile actor, and he may well wear a mask as Doom for a lot of his scenes, but there is no way he is keeping his face covered for his entire run as this character - and even if heavy prosthetics are applied for Doom's scarred visage, does anyone think he will be completely unrecognizable?

If audiences can tell that it's RDJ and aren't given a satisfactory explanation as to why Iron Man is suddenly back as a villain - and we're supposed to buy that the other characters aren't taking any notice - this simply isn't going to work. And if he is plastered under so much make-up that it's difficult to tell... then what's the damn point?

Feige and The Russo Brothers want to work with Downey again... great, completely understandable. But does anyone really believe that - as great an actor as he is - RDJ is the best choice to play Doctor Doom? Many feel that an actor of Romani descent should be cast as this character, but even if you understand why the studio would want an A-list star in the role, there are so many actors out there that are better suited to this particular part.

Again, I'm perfectly willing to give these guys the benefit of the doubt and wait and see what they have in store - but just going off the information at hand, I can't help but feel that it would have been a better idea to cast someone else as Doom, and if Robert Downey Jr. really wants to return to the MCU and (potentially) tarnish his powerful send-off in Avengers: Endgame, then bring him back as an actual Tony Stark variant for Secret Wars.

What do you guys think? Do you agree, or am I being too cynical here? Be sure to leave a comment in the usual place.

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TheyDont
TheyDont - 8/25/2024, 1:35 PM
I know how to tell whether it's a good idea, but you won't like it.
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 8/25/2024, 3:06 PM
@TheyDont - yeah, by watching the movies.
Snow43214
Snow43214 - 8/25/2024, 1:37 PM
IMO it's a strange one

Casual film-goers will be confused why Iron Man is back and is bad and in another metal suit

Fans who are up to date will understand but the disconnect from Iron Man and Dr Doom will be difficult, we will always know RDJ as Iron Man first

I just can't see people saying he was born to play both
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 8/25/2024, 3:07 PM
@Snow43214 - oooor, he's not seen as Downey before his face goes to a melted cheese.
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 8/25/2024, 1:40 PM
Terrible casting, IMO
DCasAhobby
DCasAhobby - 8/25/2024, 1:43 PM
It begins. Fake clickbait articles all the way up to release of the film. Just to watch it make over 3 billion at the BO and be a critical hit.

Super smart move by marvel story wise and financially
TheRogue
TheRogue - 8/25/2024, 1:46 PM
@DCasAhobby - Oh [frick]. Not you.
DCasAhobby
DCasAhobby - 8/25/2024, 2:00 PM
@TheRogue - which one are you. You apperantly know me, but not sure on you.
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 8/25/2024, 3:08 PM
@TheRogue - he's still right.
Razorface1
Razorface1 - 8/25/2024, 1:45 PM
Id have much more trust in this decision if they hadnt proven time and time again there us no plan and they are doing this as they go.

As pleasantly surprised as Id be if they dont use his face or voice and instead portray him as someone else, we know why this casting was made. To make everything about Iron Man again.
Conquistador
Conquistador - 8/25/2024, 1:47 PM
I'm still intrigued, but if they don't use this opportunity to dig deeper into why some variants look the same and some don't, and some look like other people from other worlds then what's the point...would be cool if Holland's Peter's uncle Ben looked like Tobey Maguire.

I'm enjoying the Nostalgia Saga for what it is though.
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 8/25/2024, 1:48 PM
not a fan of taking the old heroes and turning them into failures or villains in order to prep up the "new" heroes.
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RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 8/25/2024, 3:09 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - LMFAO!!!
ChrisRed
ChrisRed - 8/25/2024, 1:48 PM
I have no idea if bringing Downey Jr back as Doom is a good idea or not - only time will tell.

All I can say is that I was disappointed. Not by the fact that they threw Kang under the bus in favor of Doom but instead that they chose to bring back a beloved MCU actor who already played a completely different role, had a great run and ended his tenure on a high note.

If this is an actual Victor von Doom and not a Tony variant, then what's the point?
Why not give the role to new actor who can get the chance to become as iconic in the role as Downey Jr already is as Iron Man?
And if this Doom turns out to be a Tony variant, then what's the point of that? Other than screwing around with the remaining heroes of the MCU who knew Tony.

Hopefully Marvel has something great in store and a good reason to cast Downey Jr again.
We all know that the guy can tell tickets but I pray that's not why they brought him back
Gambito
Gambito - 8/25/2024, 1:51 PM
There’s no other actor they could have chosen really yes it’s stunt casting and really it doesn’t matter if it’s a stark variant it’s all but guaranteed we’ll see him as iron man in secret wars. If they would have cast a more appropriate actor it would have never ever reach the level of interest so it’s a done deal let’s just enjoy it for what it is after all if D&W proved anything is that the fan service will be the priority for now
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 8/25/2024, 2:01 PM
@Gambito - There's no other actor they could have chosen? Well, that's a bunch of b.s.

There are literally dozens, if not hundreds, of fantastic actors they could have chosen to play Victor Von Doom.

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DaHULK2000
DaHULK2000 - 8/25/2024, 2:01 PM
@Gambito - VIGO MORTINSON
TheyDont
TheyDont - 8/25/2024, 2:35 PM
@DaHULK2000 - MATTS MIKKULSON
Gambito
Gambito - 8/25/2024, 3:03 PM
@TheyDont - read my comment man I agree other actors could play that role but none would bring over the casual fans and especially the people who gave up on the mcu, purely from a marketing standpoint there is NO ONE
Toecutter
Toecutter - 8/25/2024, 3:32 PM
@Gambito - I don't think so, dude. They literally could have cast any prominent actor like Leonardo Dicaprio, Tom Cruise, Joaquin Phoenix, etc., and people would have lost their minds. Are you going to tell me that if they brought back RDJ as Iron Man and then did RDJ vs Tom Cruise, for example, that wouldn't be an instant billion-dollar movie?
Gambito
Gambito - 8/25/2024, 3:59 PM
@Toecutter - that’s true if Leo was cast that would be the equivalent, never gonna happen unfortunately
RockBottom
RockBottom - 8/25/2024, 2:01 PM
I don’t like the idea of RDJ being Doom of the main MCU and not a variant. But I’ll give it a chance and see what they do with it.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 8/25/2024, 2:03 PM
I don’t get why anyone would have to be given an explanation. Doesn’t matter if Gemma was only given 1 minute of screen time and switched or if RDJ was the founder, I don’t think anyone needs an explanation. He’s doom now.

I feel like people care too much about semantics. What I care about is a good movie. The only reason I’d say it was a bad idea because I can see the reviews now. Doom could act nothing like Tony and RDJ could be completely unrecognizable but they’ll still say “all I see is Tony stark playing doom”
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 8/25/2024, 2:19 PM
@MyCoolYoung - And they'd be right to say that because IT IS TONY STARK PLAYING DOOM!
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 8/25/2024, 3:20 PM
@MarkCassidy - no it’s not lol it’s Robert Downey JR. I’ve never heard that’s Luke skywalker playing Bruce Wayne. It ain’t Don Cheadl playing Terrance Howard playing rhodey. It ain’t even James McCoy playing Patrick Stewart playing professor X and they were playing the same character.

Why we switching up now? Lol

They’re actors.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 8/25/2024, 3:50 PM
@MyCoolYoung - you're talking apples and oranges. Characters being recast with other actors and actors playing different characters in different franchises... Or even supporting actors playing new characters in the same universe like Gemma Chan is not the same as this.
Polaris
Polaris - 8/25/2024, 2:06 PM
100% agree
SuperCat
SuperCat - 8/25/2024, 2:06 PM
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WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 8/25/2024, 2:10 PM
Sure, it's not most people's dream casting for Doom and I u can see how it's a bit of a safe/calculated casting (not unlike getting Pascal for Reed) but I think he'll nail it, honesty.
CerealKiller1
CerealKiller1 - 8/25/2024, 2:17 PM
“in relation to the established rules of the Multiverse”

Huh?? You yourself immediately point out how it’s been done multiple times…this is Josh levels of rubbish
Luigi
Luigi - 8/25/2024, 2:22 PM
If he's very scarred, wearing a different mask, has a different voice and accent, it will certainly be different enough. But it's still spending 100 million dollars to remind us of other movies
DocSpock
DocSpock - 8/25/2024, 2:27 PM

This is goofy to me.

Do people REALLY think RDJ will come back as Doctor Doom and they won't have a good explanation for it?

They will nail it.
Drace24
Drace24 - 8/25/2024, 2:34 PM
How about you guys wait until the movie comes out and you actually know what the plan is. If I had a penny for everytime people complain about an MCU casting that then went on to become absolutely iconic, I'd be richer than Iron Man.
fanboy03191
fanboy03191 - 8/25/2024, 2:34 PM
What if this is a Mandarin style fakeout? What if the real Doom shows up and does away with RDJ’s variant? Saw someone else pitch that theory on here and I’m choosing to believe it as if it is RDJ as the actual Doom, it’s going to be a cluster[frick].
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 8/25/2024, 2:38 PM
In the Russos, Feige, McFeeley and RDMFJ I trust.
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 8/25/2024, 2:39 PM
RDJ is a good actor, but I would've preferred an actually European actor in the role since his European background is such a large of part of Doom's character.
Spike101
Spike101 - 8/25/2024, 2:39 PM
Totally agree with you.
tBHzHomer
tBHzHomer - 8/25/2024, 2:40 PM
Do you really think they would bring him back like this without an explanation or a reaction from other characters?
grif
grif - 8/25/2024, 2:44 PM
shit movie

reboot the mcu

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