Looking Back on Batman Returns

Looking Back on Batman Returns

Even all these years later, Batman Returns is still one of the most controversial, and perhaps influential, Batman movies of all time. But why does this film divide fans like it does?

Editorial Opinion
By jamedog - Feb 01, 2011 10:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman Returns (1992)

The Dark Knight has had quite a history on the big screen, from the movie serials in the 1940's, the campy t.v. show from the 1960's, the movies of the late 80's and 90's, and the uber-successful series of Bat-films now. Looking back at the four Bat-movies that precede Christopher Nolan's trilogy, we can see that they are quite the mixed bag. The first film, 1989's Batman is almost universally praised and is seen as a classic of the comic book genre; whereas the final film in the series, Batman and Robin is universally hated and considered on of the worst comic book movies. But what about the middle two movies? While Batman Forever was certainly a sign of things to come, it's
nowhere near as bad as it's follow up and most fans consider it as only "okay".

But as for the second movie in the series, Batman Returns, well that's something else entirely. Odds are that any time you talk to a Batman fan, they either love it or hate, there's no "Yeah Batman Returns was okay"; some fans say that it's the best of the original four movies while others say that it's just as much of a travesty as Batman and Robin. But this is nothing new to Batman Returns, which was the subject of great controversy at the time when it came out and it can almost be blamed for Warner Brothers wanting to make the series more lighthearted. But why does this movie divide fans like it does? Why do some Bat-fans condemn it while others praise it? There is several reasons for the polarizing effect this movie has on fans, everything from the overly bleak tone of the movie, the changes made to the source material, to the characterization of Batman himself have been blamed.

Starting off I just want to say that I'm in the camp of fans that love Batman Returns, but that always wasn't the case. I was about five years old when Batman Returns was coming out, and leading up to the movie you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting something Batman related. There were Batman toys, Happy Meals, candy, clothes, shoes, cereal, snacks, drinks, etc. It's obvious who Warner Brothers was marketing this film to: The kids. It worked too because I begged my parents to take me to see the movie, but not too long into the film my attitude changed. I ended up spending the majority of the movie curled up next to my mom in terror, usually anytime Danny DeVito's Penguin came on screen, and as a result refused to watch Batman Returns for some years after. At the time this seemed to be the case all around as the film came under fire for it's dark content though it was marketed at kids.

And Batman Returns is a dark movie, much darker than it's predecessor. The sets are dark and claustrophobic, and everything is covered with snow or ice, reflecting the coldness of the characters. While the first one ended on a triumphant note, this one ends on a more bittersweet note, and director Tim Burton got much of the blame for this. It's clear from the beginning that Tim Burton was given much more creative freedom with this movie than with the first one and we soon see that this was the Batman movie that he always wanted to make(a friend of mine once said that Batman Returns should have been titled Tim Burton's Batman). Burton has stated in interviews that he's much happier with Batman Returns than he is with the first film and was excited to return for a third film, but the studio chose not to have him back after the criticism they came under. But the dark tone wasn't the only thing that drew criticism, as I'm sure most fans liked that.

The thing that most fans dislike Batman Returns for the most is the changes made to the comic book. Most of the characters in this film resemble their comic book counterparts in name only, with their origins drastically changed. One the most notable character changes is to the character of the Penguin, and I gotta say it's one of my favorites actually. In the comics, Penguin is a little man in a suit with an arsenal of deadly umbrellas; he's always been one of my least favorite Batman villains because I never found him threatening or scary, and he never seemed like a good challenge for Batman. In Batman Returns he is changed to a freak of nature abandoned in the sewers by his wealthy parents. Raised by penguins and circus freaks, Oswald Copplepot grows resentful of the normal children that lived happy lives with their parents, and he hatches a sadistic plan to strike back at them (we get hints that he's been punishing "normal" children for years). The character of The Penguin in Returns is despicable, taking out his anger on innocent children, but also strangely sympathetic. Inside the Penguin we can see a strange sadness, almost like he knows he's been made a monster, but thinks he can do nothing to stop himself from committing the vile acts he commits. We also see a deeper desire inside the Penguin to be accepted, but when society ultimately rejects him much like his parents, he chooses to strike back in an extremely violent way. It's these reasons above that I think Danny DeVito's Penguin, though nothing like in the comics, is one of the best Batman villains of the movie series (right up there with Heath Ledger's Joker in my opinion) and one of the strongest points in Batman Returns.

Another massive change is to the character of Catwoman. In the comics Catwoman is a jewel thief/vigilante/on-and-off love interest to Batman. When we first meet her in Batman Returns she's a mousy secretary working for crooked business (and true villain of the film) Max Shrek. After she stumbles upon his nefarious schemes, Shrek attempts to kill Selina Kyle, but she survives and seems to suffer a complete breakdown, creating the Catwoman persona as a way to strike back at the boss and society that victimized her. Much like The Penguin, Catwoman is born from victimization and seems to blame the world for making her into a monster, especially Shrek. The romance with Batman is there, but it's far different from the comics. Though Catwoman flirts with Batman, we see a deep resentment for him because he represents the order that Catwoman is fighting against, and this resentment grows after Batman almost kills her. The real romance is between Selina Kyle and Bruce Wayne; though Catwoman hates Batman because he upholds order, it seems that Selina Kyle is attracted to Bruce Wayne because of the stability he represents and what she ultimately longs for. At the end Batman uses his Bruce Wayne persona as a way to plead with Catwoman to spare Shrek's life, but ultimately she gives in and kills Shrek. At the end we see that Catwoman is still prowling the streets of Gotham but it seems like she's abandoned the Selina Kyle persona entirely and is now entirely Catwoman.

While the changes made to the supporting cast left many fans angry, the biggest change source of fanboy hate for Batman Returns comes from the title character himself. A common complaint about Batman Returns is how little screen time Batman himself has, in fact it seems like he's just a supporting character to Catwoman and Penguin. Tim Burton himself stated that he finds Batman's villains more interesting than Batman and we see that apparent in this film. But something even more controversial than the lack of screen time Batman has is what he does when he is on screen, namely the breaking of one of his cardinal rules: Batman kills.

If anything is responsible for Batman fans hating this movie, it's Batman breaking one of his rules. In the opening fight scene Batman sets three of Penguins goons on fire, and in a later fight scene blows one of them up. It's always been known that Batman does not kill (unless it's the very early comics,where he also uses a gun) and we realize this isn't the Batman we all know and love early on in the film. In fact, the Batman in this movie seems much darker than the Batman in the previous film. When we first see him, he's sitting in complete darkness, just waiting for the signal to light up the sky. The fight against crime seems to have become all that Batman lives for, and his methods have become far more extreme. Fans have also pointed out that Batman seems like a hypocrite in this movie, murdering common thugs himself but then pleading with Catwoman not to kill Max Shrek. But as I said, Batman seems much darker when we first see him in the movie because he has nothing else to live for in this movie, but then he meets Selina Kyle. The movie hints that Bruce Wayne are a perfect match, and it seems Batman himself is softened when he meets her, getting back in touch with the humanity he seems to have lost. At the end he uses his Bruce Wayne persona to plead with Selina because this is the side she made him realize he was losing, he realized that he was stepping into the darkness along with the other characters in the movie. At the end Selina goes over the edge despite Bruce's attempts to save her, but we get that he wants to save Shrek not only for Selina's benefit, but because he realizes that he too must stand for good and not give into the darkness Selina fell into.

So as you can see, there are many reason why fans hate Batman Returns and many reasons why fans love it. When I talk to people about and read reviews, it seems like the older fans are the ones who hate it the most. Fans who grew up with Batman were enraged to see characters they knew and loved changed so drastically. Younger fans like myself are the most outspoken fans of the movie simply because it was our introduction to characters like Penguin and Catwoman, but also an unique take on Batman. It's not a great adaptation of the comics but it's just Tim Burton's interpretation of the character, and for some reason younger fans have taken to it.

But this film left quite a legacy, in fact it can pretty much be blamed for the Bat-films that followed it. As I said before, it caused a lot of controversy because of the dark content and took in a much smaller sum at the box office than it's predecessor. It's clear that Warner Brothers got scared by this, seeing how they wanted to market this to the kids, and they chose to lighten the series up. Batman Forever wasn't overtly dark, but it wasn't lighthearted either. It walked a fine line but it was the safe Bat film that appealed to all ages, and it brought in a much larger haul than Returns. After the success of Forever, Warner wanted the next Batman film to appeal even more to it's target demographic and told director Joel Schumacher to make the next film more family and toy friendly. The rest is history.

It would have been interesting to see where the Batman series would have gone if they would have continued down the dark and brooding path set by Batman Returns. But was marketing the films to the kids really such a bad thing? Eight years after the kid friendly Batman and Robin tanked, Batman Begins came out. Director Christopher Nolan said that his Bat-films would be aimed at adults, but when I went to the midnight showing of the movie I noticed something. Most of the audience was made up of people my age, kids who had gone to see Batman Returns with their parents and had fallen victim to Warner Brother's shameless pandering in the subsequent movies. We were kids who had grown up with Batman and now we jumped at the chance to see our hero on the big screen again, done in a dark and brooding style much like Batman Returns.

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PaulRom
PaulRom - 2/1/2011, 11:24 AM
I personally think Batman Returns is the best of the Burton/Schumacher series, although 1989 Batman comes close. Forever is a disgrace to the Caped Crusader's legacy.
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 2/1/2011, 11:54 AM
Well written article.
I think this one was decent, but I like '89 more overall. This is the one I grew up on really, so while I don't think it's very good compared to the Nolan movies, it's better than I sometimes give it credit for. Watching the end of it makes you wonder what might have happened if Burton made the third.
divo
divo - 2/1/2011, 12:22 PM
Batman returns is the best piece of batman on film to date.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 2/1/2011, 1:29 PM
HUH?

Its Batman & Robin that divides fans not this???

BATMAN RETURNS is a gr8 movie wtf?
FrankGarret
FrankGarret - 2/1/2011, 1:37 PM
I liked Batman Returns a hell of a lot more than I liked Batman.
golden123
golden123 - 2/1/2011, 1:54 PM
LEEE777: Batman & Robin divides fans the most? Are you serious, I haven't heard of any fan who likes that movie. Batman Returns, on the other hand, seems to have many mixed reviews by fans. Four of the commenters so far have exspressed that this was their favorite Batman movie of the Tim Burton/Schumacher films. A lot of people think the best of the old Batman series was Batman. Others hate this film. And some such as divo think it's the best of all the Batman films.
Angelus
Angelus - 2/1/2011, 1:56 PM
This is one hell of a film! An epic classic! This film made Batman an icon for me. Tim Burton did an amazing job with this film and the previous Batman!
punishermax12
punishermax12 - 2/1/2011, 2:09 PM
Batman: Great, considering this was his first run on the big screen.
Batman Returns: Meh.
marvel72
marvel72 - 2/1/2011, 4:37 PM
loved this & the original.

definetly the best batman costume & batmobile.
slimybug
slimybug - 2/1/2011, 4:54 PM
It's not "Tim Burton making his own take on the character," Tim Burton never gave a **** about the character of Batman, and just wanted to make a film of his own.

The first Batman, for all it's flaws (like Batman massacring criminals) is VERY much a Batman movie, and it's style is a huge influence on stuff like the Animated Series. But nothing about what was enjoyable about hat movie is present in Batman Returns. The first film made enough money for producers to tell Tim Burton he could to anything he wanted. When people saw what that was, he was fired from the third film.

It's not just "changes to the characters" they're not the same characters. Remotely. I wouldn't call them "changes" I would just call them different characters. There's no attempt here to make a Batman movie, just a bizarre, ridiculous, Tim Burton weed-fest.

People who say Batman & Robin is crap because of camp yet defend this film are absolutely ridiculous. Penguins with rockets strapped to their backs? This film is actually as bad, if not worse, than Batman & Robin in my book. With that film, at least we were going in that campy direction with Batman Forever. With this film, they took an enjoyable first film, and sequeled it with something that had little to nothing to do with that film's appeal.

The film is complete ****.
thwip
thwip - 2/1/2011, 5:27 PM
tl;dr

...been waiting for an opportunity to use that. nothing personal. haha.
DEADMAN63
DEADMAN63 - 2/1/2011, 5:36 PM
Batman Returns was awesome. The very best of the bunch and my kinda Batman. And Batman kills in Batman...cause i dont think the Joker's henchman survived that fall down the bell tower.
JHowlett
JHowlett - 2/1/2011, 8:59 PM
you know after watching Batman then Batman returns I gotta say I think this was the better movie and I'll probably get killed for this Danny DeVito was better as the Penguin than Jack as the Joker. I mean the freakin Penguin wanted to drown hundreds of sleeping kids doesn't get a whole lot darker than that lol
JHowlett
JHowlett - 2/1/2011, 9:16 PM
But you have a good point in the end the demographic that the original series was kids which is stupid to me you can have a dark story where kids are the main auidience how else did the animated Batman series last for so long? Making Batman more kid friendly is what sent the series on a first class ticket to stupidville, I would have loved to see what Burton would have done with the Two-Face and Riddler characters. I think he nailed the tone in Returns yes he changed a lot of the source material but he had the right idea. Comicbook movies are gonna be rebooted again and again I think the best idea is to look at each as it's own graphic novel series in Burton's, Batman kills and Penguin's a mutant some people will like his story and some won't but look at it as it's own thing. It's a shame that studio ruined the franchise as much as we want to blame the director in the end it's the studio that took Batman off the deep end into kiddyville. Still those kids that went to see Batman Forever and Returns and grew up with the Animated series were also the same demographic target when Begins was released now that we're older the tone and the subject matter fit the demographic. I don't know if that was the case originally, I don't know if there was a big audience for that kind of comicbook movie then now there is so I doubt we'll see another Batman Forever or Batman and Robin hopefully.
hatrick3
hatrick3 - 2/1/2011, 9:24 PM
Batman returns is a bad film. No attention is given to the Bruce Wayne/Batman character in either of Burtons' films. Just a rich guy in a funny suit. Impossible to invest in the character.
Batman15
Batman15 - 2/1/2011, 9:31 PM
yea i liked batman returns more then batman 89
NerdyDarkPassenger
NerdyDarkPassenger - 2/1/2011, 9:49 PM
Blame Warner Brothers for trying to market this towards children in the first place. I mean didnt they watch the movie before deciding how it should be marketed?
Linubidix
Linubidix - 2/1/2011, 10:02 PM
I wouldn't call Burton's Batmans dark. They're more gothic than anything.

My favourite part of Returns was the actor they got to play Christopher Walken's son.
ReillyParker
ReillyParker - 2/1/2011, 10:39 PM
This was a great article Jamedog, and pretty on point. I definitely felt that Returns focused more on the villains then it did on the Batman himself, which I would of hated if they didn't do what I felt was a good job of it. This was certainly my favorite interpretation of Penguin and I would put Devito's performance up there with Ledger as far as Bat-villains go. As for Selina Kyle, where there really that many complaints about changes to her character? From what I read and see, her character changes drastically on a daily basis. I also enjoyed the bittersweet ending because that's a big part of Batman's mythology. He's not always the triumphant hero. He does what he needs to not because he enjoys it, but because he has to. It even something Nolan took note of in his movie judging from the ending of Dark Knight. Anyways overall I enjoyed the movie. In the end you gotta realize every adaptation is just an interpretation. Just like every fan has their view of who or what Batman is, every director has their view. You can love it or hate all the same.
krzfter
krzfter - 2/2/2011, 12:52 AM
Yeah Batman Returns was okay. Haha just kidding. This was a great movie just as much as the first one.
JorEl77
JorEl77 - 2/2/2011, 1:26 AM
Pretty damn good article if I say so myself.Very well written.Glad to see it made front page & didn't get bumped by one of the same people that only get front page articles all the time.I loved Batman & Batman Returns,Batman Forever wasn't too bad.One of the things I'm most disappointed in is that Michael Keaton & Tim Burton didn't get to finish what they started.In Forever the only continuation was the same people played Gordon & Alfred.Catwoman was still alive at the end of Returns,and I would have loved to see that finish out in the third one.The non-continuation is what really upsets me about these movies.I enjoyed Batman & Robin at the time because it was nice to have some superhero movies,but looking back now,it's cheesy as f**k.So to me,Batman & Batman Returns are gold.I actually just watched the first 3 movies the other week because I hadn't seen them in a while.And they are still pretty damn good.
drewXdeficit
drewXdeficit - 2/2/2011, 2:05 AM
Batman Returns is a film that I loved as a child. Actually, the first time I saw it I had nightmares. But I grew to appreciate the dark nature of the film, and I used to think it was the best Batman movie. However, that was all before I started to read about the character, and after becoming a massive Bat fan, I can securely say this movie is atrocious. The characters are too comical at times, Batman doesn't really *do* a whole lot of anything, and Burton's liberties with the characters is, frankly, dumb and unnecessary. The overall laughable tone can essentially be summed up by Paul Reubens' (a.k.a. Pee Wee Herman) cameo as Oswald Cobblepot's father.

Boyle360
Boyle360 - 2/2/2011, 10:00 AM
Great article.
TheBatman938865
TheBatman938865 - 2/3/2011, 2:01 AM
good article.....and thank god for Nolan's Batman Begins and The Dark Knight....for keeping that darkness but never betraying what Batman is.
WorldsGreatestdetective
WorldsGreatestdetective - 2/5/2011, 6:35 AM
I think it has to do with the time period it comes out. Batman '89 fit into the vibe of the late, '80s, streets were terrible in major cities filled with drugs and killing. Then 1992 starts to be the changing period because some people compare '90s america to the '50s, A Golden age. We win Desert storm, New technology, economy doing good and all so WB gets away with making light hearted stupid movies. Then if you look at Nolan's movies we didn't know who we were in 2005 like Wayne, we were fighting wars for no reason and the economy was slowly slipping and when we reach The Dark Knight we have a broken economy, we don' trust our government and that Batman kind of reaches that borderline between defender and vigilante like how our government met the borderline between democracy and a more government control America (I wouldn't call it dictatorship to harsh, though Chaney did control everything)
petesmithy
petesmithy - 10/31/2012, 9:11 AM
the new movies suck. i dont care how popular they are with fans, they are nothing like the comic books and completely lost the fun and fantasy of the character. Batman Returns is my favorite of the 2 burton films, and is just generally a better film, although i love the first as well and have many memories of watching that one over and over and over. owning the films now on bluray, i love them even more! Returns may not have been a very kids friendly movie, but compared to the new movies that are almost strictly adult, even the darkest of the old films looks more kid like then anything in the new one. i say that as a negative against the new films. the fun, the escapism of the original series had completely vanished and now its become like ANY OLD ACTION MOVIE. batman used to have a unique, different feel from your typical action movie. the sets were HUUUGE and expansive, and beautifully designed. the action was more comic-book-come-to-life and more stylized so that when you watched the movie, you knew you were watching "a Batman movie" not die hard or something else. nowadays you can hardly tell a difference between the latest batmans and any other standard popcorn movie thats made today. its become dull and boring. the batmobile itself isnt even CALLED the Batmobile,m its "tumbler". uuugh what an ugly piece of shit! thats no batmobile. the batsuit looks less iconic and more like military armor with a cape. the villians are fun or rediculous and colorful, they are now boring, monologue spewing, self-inportant, pretenious rambling bafoons that have no personality at all. ledger better then jack nicholson? bitch please.
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