BATMAN RETURNS Writer Outlines VERY Different Pitches For Planned CATWOMAN Spin-Off

BATMAN RETURNS Writer Outlines VERY Different Pitches For Planned CATWOMAN Spin-Off

Batman Returns writer Daniel Waters has shared new details on Warner Bros.' plans for a Catwoman spin-off starring Michelle Pfeiffer, and the very different ideas that were being considered at the time.

By MarkCassidy - Dec 29, 2023 10:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman Returns (1992)

If you're a big fan of Tim Burton's Batman movies, you'll likely be aware that a Catwoman spin-off starring Michelle Pfeiffer as Selina Kyle was planned after the success of Batman Returns, but never made it past the early stages of development.

We're not sure exactly how close the project came to becoming a reality, but it sounds like Warner Bros. fully intended to move forward with Catwoman... until uncertainly about how to approach a solo story focusing on The Dark Knight's feline foe led to the movie being scrapped.

While speaking at a recent Los Angeles screening of Batman Returns, screenwriter Daniel Waters revealed that his idea for the Catwoman spin-off was in stark contrast to Burton's.

“He wanted to do an $18 million black and white movie, like the original Cat People, of Selina just lowkey living in a small town,” Waters said. “And I wanted to make a ‘Batman’ movie where the metaphor was about ‘Batman.’ So I had her move to a Los Angeles version of Gotham City, and it’s run by three asshole superheroes. It was The Boys before The Boys. But he got exhausted reading my script.”

Waters also revealed that Batman Returns was originally going to be very different to the movie that ended up in theaters, with an early draft of the script making numerous meta digs at Burton's first film, which Waters was not a fan of.

According to IndieWire, the movie "was originally set to open on the Batman logo, which would pan out to reveal an in-universe merchandise store, with Batman making several references to exploitative merchandising during the film."

Star Michael Keaton shot down this idea, however: “[Michael] Keaton said, ‘This is very clever. Cut it,'” Waters recalled.

Returns is widely viewed as one of the best Batman movies today, but at the time, a lot of comic book fans took issue with how far its depictions of the main characters veered away from the source material.

“It was a weird assignment in that I didn’t need to please anyone but Tim Burton. Before the internet, you didn’t have to go before a tribunal and say what you were doing — it was just two guys in a room riffing. We didn’t know shit about Batman villains,” Waters said. “We didn’t really understand the whole comic book thing. I just found out DC Comics stands for Detective Comics."

“The whole thing about Batman Returns is we got attacked by Batman fans because they thought, ‘This is only the second Batman movie, what the f*ck are you doing? You’re already going off-road,” he continued. “Now there’s like 50 Batman movies, it’s like, ‘Hey. That was pretty interesting.'”

What do you make of these ideas for a Catwoman movie? Which one would you have preferred? Drop us a comment down below.

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lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/29/2023, 10:05 AM
Michelle Pheiffer. me-f'n chelle! How ya been?
StSteven
StSteven - 12/29/2023, 8:47 PM
@lazlodaytona - Totally dude. Like, I wasn't reading comics back then (much less DC comics) so my only point of reference for who Catwoman was was reruns of the Adam West TV show (and even then that Catwoman was pretty hot). But, damn, if Michelle's portrayal was every 13 year old boy's perfect portrayal of Catwoman at the time and for my money still is. From the tight-ass patent leather stitched-together outfit to the makeup to the just straight up hyper-sexualized way she would slink around in that outfit. Add in the personality disorder issues and *chef's kiss* perfect. Even the above thumbnail makes me... think...things... 😉.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/30/2023, 9:27 AM
@StSteven - Dude....
you gotta talk to your wife about you guys hookin' up more
StSteven
StSteven - 12/30/2023, 2:56 PM
@lazlodaytona - Dude... we've got 2 reasons why that doesn't happen as often as it used to: one is 4 and the other is about to turn 8. You'll see what I mean one of these days.

That, and my wife hates having to get all lubed up to be able to fit into her Pfeiffer Catwoman costume these days.😳
Captainhulk1
Captainhulk1 - 12/29/2023, 11:04 AM
I just want to do Michelle Pfeiffer's feet so bad.

DiegoMD
DiegoMD - 12/29/2023, 11:14 AM
@Captainhulk1 -
grif
grif - 12/29/2023, 12:35 PM
@DiegoMD - lol
Minghagz
Minghagz - 12/29/2023, 11:46 AM
Performances aside, Batman Returns is not a good Batman movie.
DudeGuy
DudeGuy - 12/29/2023, 11:49 AM
@Minghagz - oh. Okay. 31 years of me loving it changes because you say so.
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 12/29/2023, 11:54 AM
@DudeGuy - Right? It had Christopher Walken, Michelle Pfeiffer, Danny Davito, and Michael Keaton. It was a crazy mess and I love it still.
Minghagz
Minghagz - 12/29/2023, 11:58 AM
@DudeGuy - uh... Ok, lol. I never demanded you to feel a certain way. But keep on feeling what you're feeling I guess. Good luck.
DudeGuy
DudeGuy - 12/29/2023, 12:11 PM
@Minghagz - maybe you should stop phrasing your opinions as though they were undeniable facts.
Minghagz
Minghagz - 12/29/2023, 6:25 PM
@DudeGuy - lol, you need to stop getting your panties in a bunch dude. Probably need to learn some reading comprehension because I did not phrase it as an undeniable fact. People say shit all the time that I disagree with and I move on with my life. I'm sorry life is hard when people decide to speak what's on their mind. Consider getting a helmet.
CerealKiller1
CerealKiller1 - 12/30/2023, 5:39 AM
@DudeGuy - You realise people can love stuff that isn’t good, right?
Repian
Repian - 12/29/2023, 11:52 AM
Selina Kyle living with a new identity elsewhere. Maybe in Blüdhaven while she plans a big heist on Blockbuster's financial empire.

Maybe in Reeves' Bat-Verse.
Saga
Saga - 12/29/2023, 11:56 AM
Burton's pitch sounds great just her on her own trying getting into shit in a small Town nice
Forthas
Forthas - 12/29/2023, 12:18 PM
"We didn’t know shit about Batman villains,” Waters said. “We didn’t really understand the whole comic book thing."

...and yet somehow he is in a position to help bring to life a comic book film. This is Warner Brothers and their culture of CBM failure in a nutshell. It is fine that a director can come on board to make a film, especially if they have a new take on the subject matter but at the end of the day whatever story that comes out needs to be vetted by people that do understand the subject so that they do not go so far off course it is a popular Superhero in name only.
IronSpider101
IronSpider101 - 12/29/2023, 6:52 PM
@Forthas - Agreed. That's how you wind up with movies like "Man of Steel" or "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice"
Forthas
Forthas - 12/29/2023, 9:59 PM
@IronSpider101 - I half agree with that. Man of Steel did not suffer from that given that Zack Snyder did not write it so it was an almost perfect representation of Superman. As for Batman v Superman it was and comtinues to be an atrocious representation of Batman, Superman, Lex Luthor, Jimmy Olsen, Mercy Graves, etc..etc!
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 12/29/2023, 1:23 PM
Batman Returns was a decent movie that was underrated. Not a crazy amount of action but as a kid it felt like a very entertaining adult comic book.
I mean it could be worse…
marvel72
marvel72 - 12/29/2023, 2:13 PM
She was one sexy Catwoman.

SethBullock
SethBullock - 12/29/2023, 3:03 PM
I remember watching it twice in a row on theaters when I was a kid, back then you could just stay in your seat and watch the movie again for free, lol.

Still one of my favorite Batman movies.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 12/29/2023, 3:18 PM
“He wanted to do an $18 million black and white movie, like the original Cat People, of Selina just lowkey living in a small town,”

Mother[frick]er. When you just got told your favorite movie ever almost existed and didn't do because of a difference in opinion.

Cat People (the OG not the remake) and Batman Returns are two of my favorite films ever made. There's similarities, but an overt blend of the two? Damn! I wanna go to the multiversal multiplex where that bitch is showing and watched it morning to night (just sitting in the same seat all day like SethBullock used to do).

When I finally die, that's where I'm gonna go.
PartyKiller
PartyKiller - 12/29/2023, 5:34 PM
Considering how Keaton's return as Batman mattered about as much as a Nicholas Hammond return as Spider-Man, it's safe to say Batman Returns has not aged well. The first movie tried to be serious and gothic. Batman Returns devolved into just another bonkers Tim Burton movie. It was more cartoony than actual cartoons. Pfeiffer's Catwoman was very hollow and seemed to be near thoughtless, just doing crap that might look cool and sexy. There was nothing there to build a solo movie on.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 12/30/2023, 5:10 AM
@PartyKiller - If Spider-Man: No Way Home took place in a universe and franchise as damaged as the DCEU, and if Tom Holland had been cancelled as badly as Ezra Miller, I guarantee NWH flops and is hated. Suddenly we'd see the lack of quality in writing, directing and VFX. And some people would say that maybe Tobey Maguire isn't that big of a draw after all.


side note: I so wanna see Nicholas Hammond return as Spider-Man in a multiverse thing. Deadpool, Spider-verse, Avengers 5, don't care where but I am 100% down for that.
IronSpider101
IronSpider101 - 12/29/2023, 6:52 PM
Great movie. Best Batman movie.

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