CAPTAIN AMERICA: BRAVE NEW WORLD Star Anthony Mackie Explains How Sam Wilson Is Able To Battle Red Hulk

@Spoken - he just sounds like Iron Man now

@Spoken - Sam Wilson removes his shirt..... (may or may not be the actual footage, up for debate!)

@AllsGood - you'd suck a fart if Kevin puffed it your way bud.

@McMurdo - and once again you're bashing Marvel as usual, typical troll

@Slotherin - It would be cool if it lit up with red, white and blue lights in the way T’Challa’s had purple lights, not on all of the time and subtle, but noticeable .

@Itwasme - 1st off, wrong post. Were you that anxious to write that you wrote on the wrong post? And I'm obtuse?

2nd off, if you want to say I am on the spectrum as a way of trying to insult me, then I think you wanna retract that honestly question of yours a bit. But then again I am not surprised by someone who is very uneducated. Any who,

"You haven't seen the movie and are so myopic in your view you can't even fathom a scenario where Sam can win."

It's not the fact that he cannot win, it's the logic behind is incredibly flawed and defeats any type of suspense to what will happen. It is obvious that YES, Sam will find a way to win because that is the point of obvious plot armor. It is littered in every piece of marketing that Red Hulk appears. Meaning this scene is only meant to give you a climatic finale and not a surprise to what it should of been. Introducing a character like Red Hulk as an adversary to Captain America is such a cop out of the classic David vs Goliath story because given Sam's track record, he gets his ass kicked ALL THE TIME. John Walker nearly decapitated him in TFATWS, if it was not for Bucky pushing John. Giving a story like that to let's say maybe Steve, T'Challa or perhaps hell even Spider-Man where they are fighting an unwinnable match makes sense with characters who have proven time and time in again they can defeat the odds. But Sam HAS NOT done that, he is literally carried by every single super powered individual. Even Ant-Man kicked his ass. ANT-MAN!

"It's like you thi know" and yet...I'm obtuse.......

Tony should have been killed by Thanos yet held his own over and over until he won. If you want to call that plot armor than go ahead. I don't care.

Sorry, what repeated battles did Tony with Thanos did he have directly after Infinity War? Wass he not floating through space? Please be logical when stating dumb shit like this. I didn't dig deep to find plot armor in Endgame because everything happened prior made total sense. The protagonists lost, even when going to fight Thanos at the beginning of Endgame, it still meant NOTHING. Because they still failed everyone. That isn't plot armor. There was nothing given to Thanos because Thanos is a character by design to be more powerful than The Avengers, it's in his name THE MAD TITAN.


"You then call people names who disagree with you and say "don't jump to conclusions, there are plenty of ways the story goes."
It's quite evident that nothing you are saying right now is making any sense. Are you saying for me not to jump to conclusions or are you saying to me that I should not jump to conclusions? Because that has been part of your argument for awhile.

"But it feels a whole lot more like you have a gripe with everything Marvel does more than anything else."

Ahhh, the classic "I'm biased against Marvel" yet I was overly excited for DP&W, loved Infinity War & Endgame equally, been to every single opening night of all three Phases for the MCU, collect tons of Marvel comics, yet you want me to just shut up and accept bad ideas? Should I just simp for Spider-Man One More Day arguably one of the worst Spider-Man comics?

Do better.

@supermanrex - I think it's because Sam appears to be going head on with Red Hulk instead of say keeping his distance and slinging a rock

@Slotherin - oh yeah he did for sure. my point is people didn't find it to be some sort of giant plot hole that he even fights Thanos at all. People forget what makes these people heroes is they dont sit their and calculate their risk , they jump right into the fire and the odds be damned. but with Sam its bitching and moaning about this doesn't make sense he doesn't stand a chance and blah blah blah.

@Slotherin - these heros always square up and go head on with foes that outclass them. Falcon in the comics with just [frick]ing feather wings has jumped into cosmic and demonic avengers emergencies with no second thought. that is the point of the hero. to face impossible odds. in an universe with battle suits, magic potions, alien tech, people shouldnt ask how someone like Sam a trained soldier could do this. Batman does all the [frick]ing time. Batman gets dragged across the mud by Darkseid all the time, no questions his motive to go against him.

@supermanrex - i think you're severely underestimating how much a lot of us call bullshit when Batman does something like take on Darkseid

@Itwasme - That's the argument here isn't it?

@MotherGooseUPus -

No, it's

@Itwasme - To be fair Falcon in the comic books didn't really fair well against his power levels but his great against soldiers & street thugs. Falcon is better suited street level threats to espionage spy stuff.

She-Hulk has never been stronger than Hulk, ever.

@Itwasme - Did Sam Wilson fight Red Hulk alone in the comics yes or no?

@supermanrex - You've made incredibly valid points. I believe there's a great place for strategically planned combat. Including precision traps, psychological mind bending, aerial assaults, and unknown technological assets would seemingly create an interesting battle. I hope MARVEL doesn't exchange the action for female savior, quirky qiups, "okay fight time is up" luck. We'll see.

PS: I believe Nerdotic and The Critical Drinker are going to eat this alive.

@Itwasme - no Exactly. Never and this leads to my point below

"but Hawkeye has beaten regular Hulk (who is much stronger than Red Hulk) several times"

There is a difference between slowing your opponent down versus outright defeating them to which you are confusing this with.

Incredible Hulk #166 he only managed to distract and slow down Hulk so the Avengers can regroup and help stop him, but he knew because of how strong Hulk was that he was incredibly outmatched. He only managed to hold his own for the team but if the team wasn't able to regroup, Hawkeye would of DIED.

Hulk: Future Imperfect his skeleton is shown in Maestros trophy room. Proving again...he was no match for Hulk.

In Ultimate Avengers vs New Avengers, same as issue 166 of TIH, shoot trick arrows and long range attacks enough to slow him down but knows he is unable to do it alone. He knows Hulk WILL WIN in a fight.

So back to my point from the very first comment, this is just plot armor and even in the comics these characters know they can't go up against someone like Hulk, it takes a combined group effort to try to defeat The Hulk. Hawkeye was NEVER able to hold his own for that long against The Hulk and he has admitted it. In fact, didn't he kill Bruce Banner in Civil War 2? That was the ONLY time he was able to technically defeat Hulk and it's only out of fear of the future that he was told about and again he only was able to kill BRUCE and not really Hulk. Big difference here.

Sure some characters can distract him in one on one battles, but not enough to really defeat him. Which is what you are arguing here. The human characters merely act as a distraction so that people with super powers can actually attempt to fight The Hulk.

But go ahead. Tell me some comics where Hawkeye literally BEAT The Hulk one on one, and stood over a defeated Hulk WITHOUT The Avengers. I provided instances, what about you? Or are you just saying it to remain protective over the product?

@Itwasme - Your literal defense was..

And I quote...
"no, but Hawkeye has beaten regular Hulk (who is much stronger than Red Hulk) several times - so if non-powered people like Hawkeye can beat the Hulk, why can't a Vibranium powered Falcon do it? Isn't he better equipped to fight a less powerful Hulk than Hawkeye was to fight the stronger one?!?!
End quote...

You made it seem like there are instances in the comics where a regular human like Hawkeye for example has defeated The Hulk alone in one on one fights. Yet you couldn't provide examples of comics like I have to prove it? I thought you said "HaWKeYe BeaTZ HuLK sEvERal TiMeZ"? But that's not the case now, you have to say others have to help carry him. Do you not read the comics or are you just spewing out BS that you think is true or possibly happened in the comics without actually reading said comics?

So just to confirm, there are NO COMICS where Hawkeye single handedly defeated Hulk? GOT IT.