COMICS: Keith Giffen And Dan Jurgens Talk About Taking Over Superman From George Perez!

COMICS: Keith Giffen And Dan Jurgens Talk About Taking Over Superman From George Perez!

Talking revealingly about their plans for Superman after the critically panned first issue by George Perez, writer/artists Keith Giffen and Dan Jurgens comment on the direction they'll be taking the Man of Steel in...

By JoshWilding - Oct 15, 2011 01:10 PM EST
Filed Under: DC Comics
Source: Comic Book Resources

Talking to Comic Book Resources, new Superman creative team Keith Giffen and Dan Jurgens have talked in detail about their plans for the Man of Steel from #7 onwards. Below are just a selection of excerpts, but I strongly advise heading on over to the site by clicking on the link below to read it in full - it really is two or three times longer than what I've included here and very interesting.

Keith Giffens On Taking Over The Title From #7:

I don't think "Superman" is going to be unique, I think most of the books will have new teams coming in on #7 because these are almost built to be six-issue story arcs. When it comes to "Superman," as far as I'm concerned they can pry my rotting fingers off of it before I'll leave! [Laughter] It's kind of weird; in my career I've never been offered the big guys! I've never in my career been offered Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman -- I got the Justice League, but keep in mind it was coming off the Justice League Detroit, it wasn't a premiere book back then. So I'm kind of thrilled about the idea of being able to take on the character who, I don't care what anyone says, is the flagship character at DC.


Keith Giffen And Dan Jurgens On Their Take On Superman:

One of the criticisms that was always leveled at Superman across the board was that he's such a boy scout, he's such a goody-two-shoes. Clark was always portrayed as almost this innocent abroad, the kind of guy that when a girl breaks up with him she goes, "Yeah, he's too nice!" This Clark is more an ordinary guy; he reacts to things the way people would react to a given situation. He's more effective, he's more confident, he's not putting on the milquetoast identity to disguise the fact that he's Superman, because as Dan put it, who on Earth is going to think this is Superman? Who is going to think that the guy who can fly around is going to put himself through a nine-to-five grind at work and put himself through what we go through? So I picture Clark as being less a put on personality rather than a fully developed personality of his own. He's not a Boy Scout, he's not a goody-two-shoes. He's just like anybody else, he can be conflicted, he can have moments of weakness and moments of incredible strength.


The other thing I would add to that is, I think it's pretty clear now we are also dealing with a Clark Kent who is younger than he was portrayed previously and I think with youth comes less certainty. When I was twenty-five years old I was a different person that I was when I was thirty-five, for example, and a lot of that is because you have to go through some trial and error and make some mistakes. You don't necessarily at that age decide what type of people to surround yourself with, you're more open to that mix. I think one of the surprises that we want to build into this is a bit of a different cast around Clark because he's still at that process where he is learning more so than what we saw previously.


Keith Giffen On Introducing New Villains For Superman To Face:

Absolutely! Our primary focus is on new villains, new big concepts, new adventures. I know I'm much less interested in doing the re-jiggering of Mentallo than I am in introducing a new villain who will give Superman a run for his money. My goal here is to really stock his rogues gallery with kick-ass characters. New villains, definitely supporting cast -- we have a lot of supporting cast. George [Perez] introduced quite a few in the first issues of "Superman" so we have those to play off of, but we aren't above introducing one or two of our own.


Keith Giffen On The Books Relationship With Action Comics:

To be honest with you, I emailed Grant the minute I found out we were getting the "Superman" book to say, "We can get along, really!" "Action Comics" and "Superman" have run side by side practically ever since there was a DC, and for a while there Dan was even involved with there being three Superman titles. As long as you respect what the other person is doing and don't go out to completely contradict them, I don't foresee much of a problem. I worked with Grant on "52," I worked with some of his ideas he left on an "Authority" run. Plus, I'm not really that interested going back and saying, "Here's Mentallo, here's Luthor, here's the Kents, here's this and that." I'm kind of interested in saying, "OK, we've got Superman five years into his career -- lets look forward and just go full speed." I'm sure we'll be going back and forth with Grant at one point, but it'll be a pleasant creative experience, I don't think there will be conflict.


Dan Jurgens On George Perez's Reaction To Them Taking Over:

And it should be noted that the three of us are friends and we are all currently working together on "Green Arrow!" [Laughs] So this was all amicable, and I want to make sure everybody does understand that.


Dan Jurgens On The Future Of Superman:

I think for a long time now we've been treated to a bunch of stories that were not necessarily about Superman. It was Superman out of his element here, Superman out of his element there, that didn't quite come in sync. What we really want to do is drive a book that's about Superman and about Clark and what one means to the other. Batman had sort of gotten to the point where Bruce Wayne simply isn't that big a part of who Batman is, and I hope I'm not stepping on anybody's toes when I'm saying that, but you know Bruce Wayne is in the background and it's really a Batman story. For Superman, the life of Clark Kent and who he is and what he is and what that means to Superman has to be very much a part of this story. Like Keith said, that sense of wonder that goes along with that, but it's also got to be about that sense of character, and that's what we're working very hard to capture.





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RexDartEskimoSpy
RexDartEskimoSpy - 10/15/2011, 1:39 PM
I love Keith Giffen. He says whatever he's thinking, damn the consequences and his writing follows suit.
golden123
golden123 - 10/15/2011, 1:46 PM
@NoRegrets: All of the "new 52" were "critically panned" by this website. Some people just can't except change. It's one thing to stop reading DC because of this. It's another just to be in a negatuve mood and complain about everything DC, from the moment Justice Leauge came out to now, just because it was made by DC.
rbfn04
rbfn04 - 10/15/2011, 1:59 PM
@Superguy yeah, we got it, you love the Superdouche who now in SUperman's place. Cool...
breakUbatman
breakUbatman - 10/15/2011, 2:06 PM
Truth is Superman #1 did suck, it was fine until that whole play by play narration and oh look the "Fire monster" crap. The ending scene was good but overall they could have done way better, we all know Superman is the real reason behind the DCnU.
rbfn04
rbfn04 - 10/15/2011, 2:17 PM
@MrEko Making SUperman a people hating alien who jumps at someone just because they said something is not the way to go, IMHO
rbfn04
rbfn04 - 10/15/2011, 2:32 PM
@Superguy good, you helkp me prove my point. DCnU Superman would never do that. He'll probably yell at the kid,calling her weak minded or something like that...

Douchebag, hit first Superman would never be like that.
ravennpilot
ravennpilot - 10/15/2011, 2:35 PM
Superman is one of the most powerful being in his universe. His power to forgive even the worst is what makes him great. It's not what makes him human that I'm interested in. It's what he decides to do with all that power. If we see him go from young and rash to mature and wise I think this run can be good.
Else worlds are great because of the idea of the boy scout has been built in. They will lose a lot of strength if you attach them to a new mistake laden Superman.
rbfn04
rbfn04 - 10/15/2011, 2:46 PM
Well, you can't blame the character for having shitty writers. Cap was in the same situation (and in a way, Cap and Supes are really similar: inspirational figures, demand respect from the hero community, people look up to them, exemple of what's right, etc).

Cap got a GREAt writer and is having great stories. DC gave up and is trying to make Supes "lol, OMG, kewl" for the "we're so cool and rebelious" crowd...
rbfn04
rbfn04 - 10/15/2011, 3:24 PM
@Superguy yeah, let's see what happens after Action #3. DC already stated he's not real cool with people...
rbfn04
rbfn04 - 10/15/2011, 3:33 PM
@MrEko That's why I said they had some similarities.

Stuff that made me say shitty writers: when you thing a marriege is a problem (as DiDio said it was a problem for them to write stories) that's the writers fault.

Grounded could be really good, I dug Bats and Flash's cameos. Again, they didn't know how to handle it.

I don't think DC editorial told writers "make him not make any mistakes". I think DC just got the wrong writers.
TheBlitzkrieg
TheBlitzkrieg - 10/15/2011, 4:53 PM
and this is why most of you "true" Superman fans will never get what you want: The writers are perfectly aware what you think, and most of you are just trolls. A modern Superman would never act like a saint, he'd be pissed at the general collective and find a reason to change it. Superman is supposed to represent the best in us, yes, but with that in mind, he was raised as a human being and has his own set of values and ideals to live upon. And honestly, this site is just for the trolls to just whine and bitch. Most of you people are just numbskulls who can't embrace change, at all.

The film, The People vs. George Lucas, perfectly encapsulates all of you guys and points out that you people are idiots. You guys try to be the ultimate fan boys by shitting on anything innovative or new and just doesn't resonate with your inner child. Then you look at the new generation of kids, teens, and people who didn't read this stuff: They love it and think it's fantastic. In essence, you are making yourselves voiceless in a world where the general collective, even most comic book fans, enjoy the new work.

And for you idiots who think we're just drinking the kool aid, we're not: We have our own opinions and views on this: Example, I HATE Superman's new suit because of the simple fact it is armor: A guy who can't get hurt doesn't need armor. Second, I'm pissed they broke up Lois and Clark, I really am. And third, I hate how he's more "Kal-El" than "Clark Kent" or at least as how the writers describe him. Unfortunately we live in a world where the "armored" superhero is cool (and I bet most of you numbskulls that have played DC Universe Online all had armored superheroes with some of the lamest names or ripoffs ever, don't lie to me, I'm on there at least 4 times a week.) But I generally like the direction they are taking with Clark and making him younger.

You are generalizing from the words of writers, who can't really explain characters, and one or two issues are not going to show much in terms of character developmentP: THEY'RE BARELY OUT OF THE INTRODUCTION YOU IDIOTS! He is NOT a god, despite the imagery, otherwise his name would be SUPERGOD. No, he's SuperMAN. And people like you SteveRogersSon and rbfn, you are the people who are getting lost in the shuffle because you cannot seem to get over yourselves. You are the very reason people hate the internet and why they can't "like" things because there are trolls ready to tear them down. I hate each and every one of you for not allowing others to voice an opinion.
Gose
Gose - 10/15/2011, 5:12 PM
Prefix "super" means he gets "super moody", "super angry", "super sad", "super lame" etc .....
thedude2936
thedude2936 - 10/15/2011, 5:27 PM
Looking at the previews I've seen of Action Comics and other new 52 superman related stuff, it seems to me he has the personality of the golden age supes with the powers of modern supes. And to me that is fine, cause I have to say I love the champion of the oppressed superman that beat up wifebeaters a lot more than the big boy scout that he has so notoriously become .
rbfn04
rbfn04 - 10/15/2011, 5:29 PM
@TheBlitskrieg your rant just shows me you never read one "talk" I had with guys like MrEko and SUperguy.

BTW, the problem with SUpes new duds is not just that it's an armours. The design [frick]ing sucks. Lines everywhere, the shape of the shield is everywhere too (all around the belt, shoulders), that stupid turtle neck and the sleeves gets on my nerves. Just a bad design. As is most of DCnU (red robin is a joke! Slade looks like he's back in the 90s)

don't have a problem with a new take on Supes. I have a problem with them going Marvel with him. People will hate him, fear him. As he will people. That's what DiDio (please fire his ass) said would happen.
TheBlitzkrieg
TheBlitzkrieg - 10/15/2011, 5:29 PM
wow Steve Rogers son just wow. Excuse me while I get my applause track ready. You have any idea how much of an IDIOT you just made yourself look? You are a sad strange little man. And you have my pity. My point has just been proven.

So no matter what you say from here on out, you'll just dig that grave even deeper. Oh well, good luck trying to change their minds. I can assure you that you won't and only want them to change it even more just to [frick] with you. When sales speak for themselves, you are the one who will be proven the fool.

Farewell troll.
rbfn04
rbfn04 - 10/15/2011, 5:45 PM
@SteveRogers what, you telling me DC's Heroes Reborn is forever????????? I'm done! *storms out*


thedude2936
thedude2936 - 10/15/2011, 5:45 PM
I'm also pleased to hear Jurgens is writing, maybe he'll contribute art as well like he did back in the 90's, He and Tom Grummett were my favorite 2 Supermam artist back then. Anyone know if Tom Grummet is still goin strong?
rbfn04
rbfn04 - 10/15/2011, 7:16 PM
@MrEko and this is one of my peeves with DCnU. It's not really breaking ground. Most of it is 90s comics. All the gore, and T&A, and "cool costumes, man" (which are aweful designs).

I really enjoyed Action #1. I hated the hit first ask questions later Superman from JL #1 and the JL DarkSupes (analyzing everything like he was acomputer).

I worry about the direction DiDio said they'd take with Supes. They said they'd make people afraid of him and him afraid of people. Have him more stand offish in the JL. I don't like that.
joe61478
joe61478 - 10/16/2011, 5:43 AM
Thought I read somewhere that the suit was made of armor to protect the suit itself from damaging and not as a means to protect Superman. Maybe they'll explain it in later issues.
Ichaos
Ichaos - 10/16/2011, 6:13 AM
Ummm Clark is more confident but at the same time uncertain, well ok then.

Whose criticisms across what board is he talking about. One way or another he has been the same since about the 40s. It's the writers who are to blame if they can't write a decent without aborting the character. Also clark hasn't always been portrayed in comics like the Chris Reeve performance. Most of the time he was portrayed as a serious newsman and not as comic relief. It's all just a gimmick and a desparate attempt to make him more like Batman instead of getting a decent writer on board.

Just because an artist that works for DC praises the changes (like you would expect anything else?) doesn't make it quality changes. Pretty much its a given the character of Superman which many other superhero characters looked up to as a source of inspiration and as a role model no longer exists.

From Superman 2

Man in crowd 1: He's dead. Superman is dead! He's not coming out.
Man in crowd 2: They've killed Superman! What are we gonna do now?
Man in crowd 3: Let's go get 'em ourselves! C'mon, I know some judo.
rbfn04
rbfn04 - 10/16/2011, 9:06 AM
@joe61478 still stupid, man. Superman wearing armour? C'mon. How about the fabric being kryptonian, so it's more resistant...

Or, at least, come up with a GOOD design. Not that 90s bs
KalEl84
KalEl84 - 10/16/2011, 8:11 PM
I've always been open to....well, I'll call them re-interpretations...which is why I NEVER had a problem with the TV series 'Smallville'. The thing that keeps my mind open to this take is that he's still saving lives, and honestly and generally, people AT FIRST should be afraid of Superman. I mean, he's an alien with a lot of power....even when he's powered down. However, I've also always admired the "BIG BLUE BOYSCOUT" qualities, because that's what set him apart from all the rest. Yes, he could've wailed on Batman for his comments in Infinite Crisis, but in the end, what good would it have done? Superman has ALWAYS led by example.
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