OPINION: The MCU Does Not Deserve The Hate It's Been Getting

OPINION: The MCU Does Not Deserve The Hate It's Been Getting

For the past few years, the MCU has been seen by many as a declining commodity. Yet, the truth is, the franchise does not deserve the hate it's been receiving.

Editorial Opinion
By DanielKlissmman - May 17, 2025 03:05 PM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Studios

The MCU does not deserve the hate it's been getting. In fact, it deserves a little more credit for what's it done so far. I know, I know. Hey, listen, put that pitchfork down. Also, don't throw that rock at me. I am a very sensitive person, and I will cry if a rock touches my face, however light the impact may be. No, for now, just sit down and listen. Once I'm done, you can go back to imagining the many different ways in which you want to see my face behind your fist. Just, again, please don't actually do it. I will sob. 

Anyway, the MCU has been mired in controversy the past few years. Its declining critical reception began not long after Avengers: Endgame arrived in theaters. Following the film's release, Marvel Studios announced a slew of new movies and, excitingly, live-action Disney+ TV shows that, for the first time, would be firmly set in the MCU. 

Now, these shows started out strong. WandaVision was a huge hit that had all of us coming up with a thousand different theories about the origin of a man in a beekeeper suit. Loki was basically the MCU's avant-garde offering for those of more refined taste, and What If...? was an okay-received animated series. But even with that success, trouble started brewing in the distance. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, while popular, divided audiences. Then, came the other shows, and that's when things took a turn for the worse. 

The likes of Hawkeye, Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk: Attorney at Law came out, and while most of the shows were critically successful, they began to cement the idea that the MCU was getting too convoluted and low-quality relative to what it had been in its early years. Then came EternalsSecret InvasionAnt-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, and... well, if you're tuned into comic book movie coverage, you're aware of what happened next. 

Some (understandably, given the perception around its offerings) began seeing Marvel Studios as a shell of its former self; a company without direction trying to replicate an era that had long passed. That narrative has always bugged me. Not because it's entirely untrue, but because it was, to an extent, blown out of proportion. 

Now, Marvel did struggle with quality, that is not in question. It also likely struggled with having to put out so much content for streaming. After all, Marvel Studios executive Brad Winderbaum confirmed the House of Ideas was mandated to create a lot of material for Disney+ during an interview with the Phase Zero podcast:

"I mean, frankly, in all honesty, there was a mandate to kind of create as much as we could for Disney+ as quickly as we could."

So, the idea that the company was spread too thin isn't far off. Yet, that's not what's in question here. There was some declining quality, particularly on the features side, but it wasn't as gloom-and-doom as it was portrayed as. 

Yes, some MCU TV series and films were of lesser quality than previous offerings, but you know what? For the most part, they were still just okay to good. And, despite the general consensus that Marvel Studios has been a sinking ship in terms of quality, that is not necessarily accurate. 

The TV Shows

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The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, for example, has an 85% score on Rotten Tomatoes. Hawkeye has a 92% score. Moon Knight has an 86%. Ms. Marvel's is 98%. Even She-Hulk: Attorney at Law, which is, frankly, unfairly maligned, has a 79% RT score. Granted, it is vastly different from its Audience Score of 32%, but given how infamous the show was among certain circles, who can be sure of just how many of those reviews were posted by people simply wanting to make the series look bad.

Now, while overall, the aforementioned shows were not universally praised, (in my best Jon Bernthal voice), let me tell ya somethin': they were all fun. 

Hawkeye was a blast; The Falcon and the Winter Soldier just felt like a superhero show, and yeah, I'll say it: She-Hulk was good. It was a fun story about what a superhero lawyer would have to deal with in the MCU, and I loved it. There were some wasted characters here and there (mostly looking at you, Mr. Immortal), but it was a pleasant and funny experience.

Now, I am a huge Moon Knight fan. Like, huge. And I'll be the first to admit the show didn't necessarily capture the awesome world of the character, but even with that departure, I loved the heck out of it. It was an interesting and thought-provoking take on Marc Spector's world. Point being, the MCU series, while not perfect, were still compelling adventures that showcased sides of their shared universe that the movies don't always have time for. 

The Movies

As mentioned, the MCU films are, admittedly, a slightly different story. There was a significant number of features that just didn't hit with audiences following Avengers: Endgame. Those include Eternals, Thor: Love and Thunder, Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania and The Marvels.  But just like with the shows, most of these films weren't offensively bad.

Yes, there are plenty of flaws to find in them, but they are, nonetheless, fun and exciting comic book stories brought to life. For example, I really enjoy Quantumania. It's not as good as the first two Ant-Man films, but it's still okay. And I love Kathryn Newton's take on Cassie Lang. She conveyed the excitement of a kid having Ant-Man's powers effectively, while also accurately showing the weight of a daughter realizing the responsibilities her parent had been bearing all along.

The Marvels is also a cute film. It's funny, it has flashy action sequences, and come on... that cat sequence in the last act. Even if you're angry at the movie, I find it hard to believe none of you enjoyed it. Come on, you in the back. Yeah, I see you nodding along. I know you liked it. 

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So, yes, Marvel Studios experienced a decline in quality. That is not in question. The company was forced to juggle putting out multiple live-action and animated TV series while still trying to keep up the excitement and quality of its big-screen ventures. But, the fact that, even with all that pressure, its more disliked products still turned out the way they did speaks volumes about the talent from folks at Marvel Studios. That's why the company deserves more recognition for the past few years.

Some of their movies may not have been received well, but even if you count Quantumania, The Marvels, Love and Thunder, Eternals and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness as "bad," that is still only five movies out of 36 films in total. That's an impressive track record.

And, even with all the turmoil, we've still received generally loved adventures like Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, Black Widow (don't fight me on this), Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, and Spider-Man: No Way Home. And the streak has continued with Deadpool & Wolverine, Thunderbolts on the movie side, and with projects like Werewolf by Night, Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man and Daredevil: Born Again.

All the shows and movies mentioned here are not perfect masterpieces, but they're not offensive trainwrecks either. Their rating scale goes from really good, to pretty good, to okay, with only rare sprinkles of bad. 

It's also worth noting that in earlier phases, not all films were well-received. They may be looked at fondly now, but movies like The Incredible HulkIron Man 2, Thor: The Dark World, Iron Man 3 and Avengers: Age of Ultron were not the most popular when they first came out. Yet, Marvel continued, and eventually finished what is now one of the most revered sagas in movie history. 

They hit a slump back then, but they recovered, and they hit a slump recently, which they are also recovering from. But that is to be expected with a nearly 20-year-old franchise. Ultimately, even with the controversy, we got a slew of exciting shows and movies that, while not all well-received, still have things we can look back on and say, "Huh, that was not half bad." Excitement is building back up for the long-running superhero franchise, and part of that is because of all the different MCU chapters we've gotten to experience, both in the small and big screens. 

Of course it's good that Marvel had the opportunity to hit the brakes, take a step back and slow down its development machine to deliver more quality products. But we should also take a step back and realize that its offerings in the past few years, while not perfect, have been cool and competent adaptations of the comic book characters we've loved for so many years. 

Okay, as promised, now you can imagine punching me now. Just, please, be prepared for a lot of sobbing on my part. Also from my cat. He doesn't like seeing me hurt. 

 So, do you agree with the idea that not everything has been doom and gloom at Marvel Studios and the MCU? Let me know your thoughts in the comments! 

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malschla
malschla - 5/17/2025, 3:02 PM
Yes, it does.
lvcl
lvcl - 5/17/2025, 3:33 PM
@malschla -

DISNEY has earned this hatred.

The MCU was the highest-grossing saga in cinema, and since they bought it, they've used it as a weapon of propaganda, indoctrination, and WOKE education.

These teachings of forced inclusion, which normalize people's weak behaviors, are aimed at making the populace obedient, so that when a fake pandemic hits, they'll stay confined at home and take the experimental vaccines without protest, like cattle.

They promote communism and also destroy families and, consequently, reduce the world's population.

Although they don't only do this with their superhero movies, but also with classic tales like The Little Mermaid and Snow White.

We'll see how long they last with box office flops, but they deserve the studio's bankruptcy.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 5/17/2025, 3:46 PM
@lvcl - Question: Are you retarded?

You just stated Disney bought Marvel to utilize that studio as the propaganda arm of their corporation in order to enforce obedience by keeping people locked in their homes.


And they did this all with a long slew of awful Disney Plus shows and films?


You make @MakeAmericaGayAgain look sane.
lvcl
lvcl - 5/17/2025, 4:27 PM
@McMurdo -

Answer: Your mother was, and you inherited it.

You're not that woke?

Then wake up for real.
RolandD
RolandD - 5/17/2025, 4:29 PM
@lvcl - “They promote communism and break up families.” I would ask you for examples, but since they won’t be any, maybe I shouldn’t bother.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 5/17/2025, 4:37 PM
@RolandD - he's full blown retarded.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 5/17/2025, 3:07 PM
It does, good day.
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 5/17/2025, 3:35 PM
@Malatrova15 -

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DarthAlgar
DarthAlgar - 5/17/2025, 3:57 PM
@Nomis929 - Him and Fez do it best.

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SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 5/17/2025, 3:07 PM
Yes it deserves the "hate". (More like profound disappoint IMO...) The MCU must earn back the high expectations and fan-loyalty that they have predominately pi$$ed away ever since ENDGAME. Deadpool/Wolverine was a BIG step back in that direction with Thunderbolts being a more modest step back in the right direction. My spider-sense is telling me that FF will land somewhere in between those two. 🤨
Nolanite
Nolanite - 5/17/2025, 3:13 PM
@SuperiorHeckler -
They have an uphill battle with The Fantastic Flop mainly because of its previous history with the movies prior to this new "one".

I don't think The Fantastic Flop is going to make as much money as they think it will. Id be surprised if it makes more than 60 million opening weekend. Superman is going to run right through it because of word of mouth.

Another flop for Marvel and Disney.

Nolanite out
TheyDont
TheyDont - 5/17/2025, 3:08 PM
But does it deserve more hate?
DocSpock
DocSpock - 5/17/2025, 3:08 PM

I do not agree.

Things are worse than you mention.

Particularly, The Marvels was truly horrible. Ant-Man 3 was just bad. F&WS was very bad. She-Hulk & Moonknight were also bad.

You are candy-coating a lot of trash.

MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 5/17/2025, 3:09 PM
It doesn't but you won't convince this site of that
Nolanite
Nolanite - 5/17/2025, 3:10 PM
It deserves every single bit of hate it has earned and gained by its braindead fans.

I will admit that the old saga with the stones was decent but it slowly lost its way after that.

The minute they decided to go the route of nostalgia and cameos they were dead AF in the water.

It's gotten to the point of no return. I absolutely find it funny that people believe that Thundershits is successful... Stupid movie won't even make as much as Captain Falcon did at the box office.

Pitiful in my opinion. But I am just here for the shit show and I am enjoying it wholly.

Nolanite out
SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 5/17/2025, 3:17 PM
@Nolanite - I think many folks are highlighting and clinging to the over-all positive critical reception of Thunderbolts to justify its relative quality as an entry in the MCU series. But, as you mentioned; It may not even meet the box-office of the solo Falcon movie. 🫤
AllsGood
AllsGood - 5/17/2025, 4:21 PM
@Nolanite - All the Hate for Disney and Marvel Studios came from when they killed off their favorite Characters and Superheroes. Tony Stark Iron-Man and Steve Rodgers Captain America.
BruceWayng
BruceWayng - 5/17/2025, 3:13 PM
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AllsNotGood
AllsNotGood - 5/17/2025, 3:17 PM
Owned
dragon316
dragon316 - 5/17/2025, 3:18 PM
Yes it does more than ever
ZaphodDent42
ZaphodDent42 - 5/17/2025, 3:25 PM
Well now you don't get to sit at the cool kids table!!! Really good read, thoroughly enjoyed it.
MCUKnight11
MCUKnight11 - 5/17/2025, 3:27 PM
2 things can be true at once. Was the franchise ever dead? No. Is the Multiverse Saga the low point? Yes.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 5/17/2025, 3:28 PM
@MCUKnight11 - considering it’s only really had 2 Sagas , one being the low point of the 2 doesn’t really matter much.
ZaphodDent42
ZaphodDent42 - 5/17/2025, 3:53 PM
@MCUKnight11 - both true but surely we can only compare the multiverse saga to the infinity saga? Which is a ridiculously high standard and likely won't ever be reached again. Kind of like how the prequel trilogy is kind of unfairly judged against the original trilogy?
Latverian
Latverian - 5/17/2025, 3:28 PM
@DanielKlissmman -

Barking at the wrong tree, my man. Waste of a great article. The MCU annoys the right people, as it should, and the comments you're getting are proof enough of it.
mountainman
mountainman - 5/17/2025, 4:00 PM
@Latverian - Annoying the right people? As in former fans that used to spend more money on this stuff and now almost any Marvel property that isn’t leaning on member berries isn’t making much or any? Keep thinking your righteous. If Disney does what you want and keeps pissing off the people you don’t like, they’ll stop making Marvel movies as it won’t be profitable any more.
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 5/17/2025, 4:03 PM
@mountainman - I don't believe the self proclaimed "revolutionist" understands how a business works.
Ikusa
Ikusa - 5/17/2025, 4:03 PM
@Latverian - Taking joy in the anger of those who don't agree with you. Sounds about "progressive".
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 5/17/2025, 3:30 PM
You reduced the infinity stones down to papers weights, you turned Loki into a weak ass crying punching bag, you f**ked Thor, you had Cap betray his very morales to get a happy ending, you made falcon a terrorist Sympathizer, you chose to kill off Black panther instead of recasting, you took Bucky's balls away, you character assassinated Wanda, you made Doctor Strange into a complete baffoon, you ruined The Hulk, you ruined Nick Fury, you ruined War Machine, you ruined She Hulk, you ruined valkyrie, you bait and switch us with the "Hawkeye" TV show, you made Ragnorok a joke and pissed on The Warriors Three, you made the Illuminati a literal joke, you took away everyones free will and made everything that happened solely because of Kang the clown, you made Kang a laughing stock and killed him every time you reintroduced him, you turned the Kingpin into the Cuckpin, you shoved a crayon up Namor's nose, digitally removed his buldge, nearby making him a literal eunuch and gave him love handles, you wont allow Daredevil to enter a church, you made the Eternals, you made The Marvels, you made Echo, it took Iron boy 6 movies to be told about "responsibilty", you couldn't get a single personality of Moon knight right, above that, you made him boring. Literal years of bad product after bad product to the point were even the hardcore fans had to turn on it before it sapposidely attempted course correction.
I could go on but I doubt anyone is still reading this shit but yes, they absoltely deserved the backlash and should listen and learn from the feedback faster, not years down the line when apathy has started to set in.
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 5/17/2025, 3:43 PM
@HashTagSwagg - No, I'm still reading it...all of it...and you are absolutely right.

Bottom line is... the MCU got to far away from the source material in the comics that made these characters so great and reduced or re-introduced them into something that no one care for.

by the by, you forgot to mention that the big reveal of Nick Cage losing his eye was due to a space cat.
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HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 5/17/2025, 3:47 PM
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Nomis929
Nomis929 - 5/17/2025, 4:11 PM
@HashTagSwagg - I thought that was in reference to the whole "secret invasion' show and not his eye gouging.
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 5/17/2025, 4:13 PM
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New it'd be a long one so figured I'd cut it short.
OrgasmicPotatoe
OrgasmicPotatoe - 5/17/2025, 4:17 PM
@Nomis929 - Last time I re-watched Winter Soldier and Nick mentions losing an eye to someone he trusted, I could almost feel the hype we had back then about eventually knowing how it happened.

They made it a f*king kitty scratch gag. And not even a bad one at that. My cat scratches harder than that.

We didn't know just how good we had it back then.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 5/17/2025, 4:40 PM
@HashTagSwagg - yep. Pretty much. Lost me on the Namor losing his bulge but I'm taking your word for it and assuming I missed out on that piece of digital shenanigans. It is frustrating how they've all but removed Daredevil's Catholicism from his character. And I say that as someone who finds Catholicism repulsive.
PatientXero
PatientXero - 5/17/2025, 3:34 PM
It sure does. From dumbass DEI shit, to wokeness up the ass. They went off the rails after Endgame. Black Panther 2 was horrible and a DEI mess. Should have recast T’Challa. The Thor movies are a joke. Capt./Miss/The Marvels were trash. She Hulk was only worth watching to see Matt in the Red and Yellow, Brother!! Cracks were showing prior to Endgame, but it’s gotten bad. Spider-Man-All the Spidermen, was decent, but not I didn’t care for the other 2.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 5/17/2025, 3:36 PM
I honestly have enjoyed the post EG MCU though obviously , some projects more then others which is bound to happen then a franchise that’s been running as long as the MCU has at this point.

Yes they have had flaws but given they had to contend with a change in leadership with Disney that mandated D+ content , a worldwide pandemic and 2 strikes amongst other things then I would say it’s turned out pretty well tbh.

P.S: Moon Knight is one of the best things post EG MCU has done so don’t @ me..;).

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McMurdo
McMurdo - 5/17/2025, 3:41 PM
"The likes of Hawkeye, Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk: Attorney at Law came out, and while most of the shows were critically successful, they began to cement the idea that the MCU was getting too convoluted and low-quality relative to what it had been in its early years. Then came Eternals, Secret Invasion, Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, and... well, if you're tuned into comic book movie coverage, you're aware of what happened next.

Some (understandably, given the perception around its offerings) began seeing Marvel Studios as a shell of its former self; a company without direction trying to replicate an era that had long passed. That narrative has always bugged me. Not because it's entirely untrue"






What a weird article to write. You just laid out precisely why the MCU is getting the hate that it does today.
marvel72
marvel72 - 5/17/2025, 3:42 PM
Yes it does,phases 1-3 I watched every MCU movie on day of release or the first weekend.Now I watch what I think may be good and skip all the DEI woke nonsense,I am pretty certain that I can miss all the crap and still understand what is going on in Avengers:Doomsday and Avengers:Secret Wars

Just waiting for casting news for The X-Men and if they don't keep to the source material and start race and gender swapping characters,I won't be watching
DK4ever
DK4ever - 5/17/2025, 3:45 PM
Okay, honestly not a big Marvel fan, but loved it years ago with the original Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, etc. I really enjoyed all of the early entries up to and including the first Avengers flick. All of this re-imagining of the original characters has lost me entirely and just yawn as each change occurs. As a casual observer, would be for Marvel to return to its roots and bring back the original characters as James Gunn is attempting to do with his Superman movie. While the success of that attempt is yet to be seen, I salute the attempt to step back. Marvel would do well to consider a similar approach.
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