Things to consider- Racism, Comic book movies, society

If someone wants Peter Parker to be white, that does not make them a racist.

Holy crap dude get a grip.

@drkinsolving
It's not the wanting him to be white, it's the complsining if he isn't that's racist.

also diversity is more than just having "more black people;" it's about multiple races, multiple religions/or lack thereof, multiple sexual orientations, and multiple genders.

@PietroMaximoff
@drkinsolving
"It's not the wanting him to be white, it's the complsining if he isn't that's racist."

What?

Are you high?
That makes absolutely no sense, if people want him to be how he's portrayed in the comics(white) then obviously they're gonna complain.

@PietroMaximoff

No, it's not.

That is a complete misunderstanding and use of racism.

Also, there's an update on the whole Michele Rodriguez thing, which I knew there would be....

The comment was taken out of context, she was trying to walk to her car when she said it, so I knew it was a rushed comment....

But, she actually feels bad, and she made a video saying what she really meant and it makes sense.

@RextheKing

Yeah, it's almost always taken out of context, and you can tell that Rodriguez actually cares too because she took the time to make a video and explain herself....

We are beating a dead horse, actually a jackass. The damn corpse is rotting with flies and maggots, and here we are beating the damn thing like we are in Office Space.

The sad part is the next time a character is not cast to look like it's comic counterpart the damn jackass will stroll out. We will shoot it, stab it, burn it, and then keep kicking the damn thing till the next jackass rolls around.

We are not changing anybody's mind, regardless of which side of the coin you are on.

I leave you with words from Brother Ali; "...try and separate a man from his soul you strengthen him and lose your own..."

@Pietro I am sorry but I have to disagree with your statement that racism is perpetrating race defines a person. That is more stereotyping and being ignorant. I always thought racism was hating others for their skin color alone and believing your race is better for the simple fact of your skin color. And yes minorities can too be racist.

I'm sorry, but what Michelle said wasn't racist at all. If you really listen to what she said you would have known that.

I think people throw that word around way too much and forget what true racism is. I never once saw anyone saying they didn't want a black person in a movie. So I don't get why people are called racist if they want Peter Parker to be white.

I feel the same way about bringing more diversity into movies, but why change a person that has been shown white, when there is many great black and other ethnicity characters out there to use instead.

I see no reason DC couldn't make a Black Lightning or Static Shock film. I would have no problem seeing Steel, Black Bat, Batwing, John Stewart, Kaldur'ahm, Blue Beetle, Martian Manhunter, Beast Boy, Starfire, Bumblebee, Vixen, Icon, Rocket, Hardware, Lagoon Boy, Katana, Mr. terrific, Bloodwynd ect. ect. So why not use already established characters instead of changing ones, for the movies.

I think everyone wants more diversity, I just don't understand why you can't show ones that have already been shown. Take the character of Wally West in the New 52, I think he's a cool character, but he's not Wally West. If DC would have taken their time and made him a new character instead he would be loved. Instead people want the real Wally West back. DC went 90% with making a new character, but for whatever reason they didn't go the full 100%. The sad thing is he is an interesting dude, but with a different history, characteristics and ethnicity he's just not Wally West.

Look at what happens when companies take their time with making new characters you get people like John Diggle and Miles Morales. Ones people like and want to know more about them.

You could even say changing how a person looks is racist. Because if you have a problem with them being white or any other ethnicity and change them to fit your tastes, doesn't that mean your racist? I'm not saying that's the case, but you could make that example.

I do hope after all of the stuff with Michelle that DC, Marvel, ect. ect. will make new characters. There needs to be more then just white superheroes out there. Plus there needs to be more female heroes too and not just be fighting in their underwear.

@PietroMaximoff

Sorry man, I completely disagree.

And, your argument about dogs is absolutely hilarious.

I mean, we are talking about a comic book movie, people want the character to look like he/she does in the comics. That isn't being racist.

Holy crap. There's so many ways any comment can be taken. The word racist should NOT be used unless there is no other possible meaning for what's being said.

I'm writing some Material of my own. I'm purposefully avoiding my main character from being white or black. The problem is figuring out what ethnicity to make my main character then. I want diversity in my story. There's a very good reason for that diversity, that plays a big factor into my story. Supporting characters included. I can't say why, cause that gives too much away. But I can guarantee if I publish, someone somewhere is going to call me racist. Diversity for diversities sake etc......

But if you read the story you would understand why. Each characters ethnicity plays a part in the overall story. You can't please everyone, and it's very easy to take something written out of context and assume the worst.

@PietroMaximoff

What??

No, I'm disagreeing because your wrong.

Also, what about all of the medical advances we have made from analyzing and researching different races. What about the doctors that have learned that different medicines work better for different races, and that different races are more at risk for different diseases.

Are those doctors racist??

Racism does exist, but just because somebody wants a white character or a black character or a asian character in a comic book to be that race in a movie does NOT mean they are a Racist.

That's just stupidity.

I'm also not too sure how I feel about them specifically looking for a black or latino male for the part of Peter Parker. With Fantastic Four they said they felt he was the best actor for the role. But if they specifically cast for a black or latino male, then their obviously not looking for the best actor, their just trying to be PC for the sake of diversity. Cast the best actor then, if they happen to be black, latino, or Asian shouldn't make a difference if you already decided to make it more diverse. My story for example. One of my characters is a phillipino female. Now if they made it a film (yeah right, keep dreaming Wylee) they would not necessarily have to cast a phillipino female. She just can't be white, or black. And like I said, there's a good reason for that. But if they decided to cast a white female for the role, they would be specifically going against the point of the character from the book. I would not be happy.

Now with Peter Parker. I have no problem with him being ANY race. Cause Peters race does not define him. He wasn't created specifically to be a white male. The character was meant to be the ANYBODY MAN. Who randomly gets bitten on accident. Could have been anybody. You can't see what race he is when he's wearing the Spider-Man mask anyways.

@drkinsolving
There are two things I'd like to point out that make it seem like you are misunderstanding about my point.

Firstly, I did not say that wanting an actor to look just like a comic character is racist. I said the opposite of that actually. But if a studio just happens to announce that a Hispanic kid who happens to be an amazing actor and is the right age is playing Peter Parker in a movie, and your first instinct is to complain, that is a racist situation. Think about it: the only thing being brought up is race and saying "your race is wrong." This is a racist thought. If the studio predetermines the race before even screentesting actors, that is wrong on their part. But if the studio is just open to interpretation because of a skilled actor, the only person to blame the racism on is the complainer.

Secondly, when I say something is racist, specifically on this site and in this situation, I don't mean the old "you're going to hell and you deserve to die." I just mean that it is counter-productive socially to think this way. Your argument about science and medicine are misdirected because I understand that, yes, different races technically do possess a different genetic make-up. But we are all still one species who needs to see past the color. $10 says Logan Lerman has a different chance of contracting heart disease than Peter Parker, but he's still a top choice for the role. O'Brien's eyes are a different shade of blue than Peter's but he's still a top choice for the role.
Do you see what I'm getting at? None of these people are identical to comic book characters. Why does the shade of hair not matter but the shade of skin does?

@alexanderlykins
First thing that came to my head. Point is: two members of the same species should not look at each other differently because they look differently.

@PietroMaximoff

So, basically your making up your own definition of Racism for this site?

I don't agree with that, if you call someone racist, your calling them racist. There isn't really middle ground in my book.

And, if people didn't want a race change before, of course they will complain if a race change was made. I don't know why you would expect any different.

@PietroMaximoff

In a comment above I already said that "racism does exist" . I'm not denying that.

But, I do not see someone wanting a character that is a specific race in a book to be that race in a movie to be racist.

If they complain about a race change that also does not make them racist.

Also, having to change the race of a character automatically brings race into our art as well. Actually changing the character's race brings race into our art more than just keeping the character the same race as the comics.

@DonkeyTeeth
I hope you're the one joking, you'd have to be downright retarded to not be.

The response to me wanting Peter Parker to play the role of Spiderman as he looks like in the comics as been.
"ur a wacist, u don't want blaks to progresss..."
You can [frick] right off with that bullshit, you don't know me nor do you know Michelle or anyone else, yet you throw the label of racist around because we think freaking comicbook characters should look like they're portrayed, like it's Christmas.

Yeah that's pretty easy.
"He doesn't agree with me, he's racist, even though nothing he said is racist".

Please quote me the definition of racist, I'll be waiting...