America Chavez Co-Creator Speaks Out On The Amount Of Money Marvel Offered Him For DOCTOR STRANGE 2

America Chavez Co-Creator Speaks Out On The Amount Of Money Marvel Offered Him For DOCTOR STRANGE 2

America Chavez will make her live-action debut in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Now, Chavez' co-creator has spoken out about the money Marvel reportedly offered him for the film.

By DanielKlissmman - Apr 08, 2022 07:04 PM EST
Source: The Hollywood Reporter

A longstanding struggle in the superhero industry has been comic-book creators asking for fairer compensations when the characters they created get adapted for other forms of media (e.g., films, video games and TV shows). Now, another voice has joined the cause; Joe Casey, co-creator of America Chavez. 

Created by Casey and artist Nick Dragotta, Chavez — a young superhero with super strength, the power of flight and the ability to jump between universes — was introduced in 2011 in the pages of "Vengeance" #1. The character has gone on to appear in various Marvel's adaptations, such as the Marvel Rising animated franchise and numerous video games, including Lego Marvel Super Heroes 2, Marvel Strike Force and Marvel Contest of Champions.

Now, the hero is making the jump to the big screen in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, where she will be portrayed by Xochitl Gomez. With the film's release nearing, Joe Casey has spoken out about the "pittance" he was offered by Marvel for his character's MCU introduction. 

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Speaking to The Hollywood Reporter, Casey revealed that, even though he is happy to see Chavez' legacy grow, he is disappointed by the fact that he has not been compensated in a way that he finds fair for his role in creating the character. 

"Marvel has paid me nothing for America Chavez, not only for appearing in the Doctor Strange sequel, but in numerous animated TV episodes, for the numerous action figures they've made of her, for video games she’s appeared in. [...] They seem to be fine with that."

The creator then told THR that he is not trying to start a dispute over character rights, since he understands the hero belongs to Marvel — he is simply trying to obtain more respect for comic-book creators: "The fact is Marvel owns America Chavez. That's not in dispute on any level, but there are still systemic flaws in the way that creators are neither respected nor rewarded."

Casey further told the trade that he reached out to Marvel when he learned that America Chavez would be used in Multiverse of Madness. The company reportedly sent him a character agreement alongside an offer for monetary compensation, but he declined it, calling it an "insult of an offer." He explained that he's not interested in money, but in paving the way for future generations of creators to be better paid for their work: "For me, it's not about money. It's not even about the respect. I would never expect to be respected by a corporation. [...] If I'm in a position where I can afford not to take their insult of an offer, and be able to talk about it, maybe the next guy — where that kind of money could change their life — would get a fair shot of receiving that money."

According to THR, a source at Marvel stated that negotiations with Casey over pay for America Chavez are still happening. He, however, feels the company is stalling.  

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As mentioned, there have been several cases of comic-book creators being disatisfied with the compensation they receive for the characters they created. In 2017, Thanos co-creator Jim Starlin took to Facebook to state that he had received more money for KGBeast's appearance in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (a character he co-created), than he did for Thanos, Gamora and Drax for their roles in the Marvel Cinematic Universe:

"Just received a very big check from D.C. Entertainment for my participation in [sicBatman V Superman, Dawn of Justice (Anatoli Knyyazev), much bigger than anything I've gotten for Thanos, Gamora and Drax showing up in any of the various Marvel movies they appeared in, combined. Guess I'll finally have to sit down and watch the movie."

Starlin ultimately made a new deal with Disney for his character, per The Hollywood Reporter.

Then, in 2021 Winter Soldier co-creator Ed Brubaker stated in his newlsetter that he had mostly received "thank yous" for partly coming up with the concept of the antihero:

"And of course, today the FALCON AND WINTER SOLDIER show debuts on Disney+, which I sadly have very mixed feelings about. I'm really happy for Sebastian Stan, who I think is both a great guy and the perfect Bucky/Winter Soldier, and I'm glad to see him getting more screen time finally. Also, Anthony Mackie is amazing as the Falcon, and everyone at Marvel Studios that I've ever met (all the way up to Kevin Feige) have been nothing but kind to me... but at the same time, for the most part all Steve Epting and I have gotten for creating the Winter Soldier and his storyline is a "thanks" here or there, and over the years that's become harder and harder to live with."

America Chavez will make her live-action debut in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, which arrives in theaters on May 6, 2022. 

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Methos5000
Methos5000 - 4/8/2022, 7:59 PM
They all new 100% the creation were work for hire. End of story.
Cheesemeister
Cheesemeister - 4/8/2022, 8:02 PM
@Methos5000 - exactly. You work for a company, create stuff for them, it’s their IP. Same goes for software developers.

Go solo if you want the money. They know they can’t make it on their own so go with the big companies.
Kingdork
Kingdork - 4/8/2022, 8:07 PM
@Cheesemeister - "The creator, however, told THR that he is not trying to start a dispute over character rights, since he understands the hero belongs to Marvel "

He knows but journalists asking question like to stir shit.
Cheesemeister
Cheesemeister - 4/8/2022, 8:13 PM
@Kingdork - I get that, journalists are the worst. But the fact this comes up often…
It’s the way of life when you work for a company. Comic artists aren’t any different to anybody else. What somebody creates, when employed by somebody else, is going to make the other person rich.
asherman93
asherman93 - 4/8/2022, 8:04 PM
Oh look at that, an ACTUAL with Marvel that deserves criticism and focus.
dracula
dracula - 4/8/2022, 8:06 PM
on several characters id say its a tricky subject

Ed Brubaker didn't create the character, he created a persona, which as of now Bucky doesn't even use in the movie anymore....should have probably gotten something for the winter soldier movie, but for everything else, im not so sure

Do Judd Whinik and Wolfman and Perez get paid for every use of Nightwing and Red Hood or general use of Dick and Jason?

The creators should for sure get paid for characters that originate in their work, but really for anyone after that id say its a case by case situation.

Like the teen titans show, not sure if wolfman and perez would have been paid for that, considering they didnt create the team, but im sure they would have been paid for Starfire, Raven, Cyborg, Trigon and Deathstroke, as well as stories specifically adapted from their run
Cheesemeister
Cheesemeister - 4/8/2022, 8:10 PM
@dracula - they all got paid though, at the time, when they wrote the stories. Right or wrong, these people don’t own the rights and they were paid to create an IP for a huge company that will shit on them if they choose.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 4/8/2022, 10:27 PM
@dracula - When you work for a company and create an I.P for them. It belongs to them. This is why it's important to create an I.P and get a patent on it and then license it out to a company.
OmegaBlack13
OmegaBlack13 - 4/9/2022, 8:10 AM
@Cheesemeister - I think it's important to remember that many of these characters, and more importantly the laws, were created before an age where they were capable of generating billions of dollars in profit. Yeah that's lucky for the company but I think standards bare a reevaluation in the face of something like that.
drewXdeficit
drewXdeficit - 4/9/2022, 8:29 AM
@dracula - DC does offer credits to both Wolman and Perez for every appearance of Nightwing in print. Usually, this means they have a contractual obligation which likely includes compensation.
drewXdeficit
drewXdeficit - 4/9/2022, 8:29 AM
@dracula - DC does offer credits to both Wolfman and Perez for every appearance of Nightwing in print. Usually, this means they have a contractual obligation which likely includes compensation.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 4/9/2022, 9:50 AM
@OmegaBlack13 - I agree that they system should be reevaluated. But writers and artists need to be the ones forcing that. Before signing any kind of work contract with Marvel they need to make sure they will receive royalties. They need to demand it. And if they don't get it, then turn down the work. Writers and artists need to band together and do this as a whole. This is exactly why Image was created back in The 90's. But it needs to be on a bigger scale. It needs to become the norm for creators to turn down work if royalties aren't a part of their contract.

Point is, Marvel has no issue signing talented writers and artists. Because these creators keep bowing to them even though they know they get nothing other than their regular pay. Why would Marvel change their practice if creators aren't fighting back?
Cheesemeister
Cheesemeister - 4/9/2022, 1:43 PM
@OmegaBlack13 - that’s like saying an Architect, who designed a nice house, should get a big cut out of the next sale because they didn’t know prices would skyrocket.

I get that people will be annoyed to see their creations making money for others, but you were paid to do a job, you did it. Anything after doesn’t concern them. If they paid the millions in to marketing, making the characters well known, then get done over, different story.

The only reason the characters are as big as they are is because the money being injected by the “owners”.
OmegaBlack13
OmegaBlack13 - 4/9/2022, 4:14 PM
@Cheesemeister - You notice how that's not a thing? Like, nowhere does an architect get money for that. We are talking about a situation where the creator was offered money, but not enough. The building comparison is just dumb here.

And yeah, the owners inject the money into a thing that someone created.
OmegaBlack13
OmegaBlack13 - 4/9/2022, 4:20 PM
@CorndogBurglar - I guess? I wish creators could just start turning down the work en masse but that would mean a lot of them don't eat for awhile. It just seems counterproductive to blame the people who had to take the deal for the money/lacked foresight when we can blame the company with a CEO that made 46 million in a single year. Like, Bill Mantlo has a GoFundMe and the Guardians movies have made almost 2 billion how can we possibly not see what the actual issue is here LMFAO
Cheesemeister
Cheesemeister - 4/9/2022, 5:13 PM
@OmegaBlack13 - rather than respond to all, I’ll respond here. I get it. Everyone wants to be valued for their work.
These creators do an amazing thing, which is why I’m a big fan of the medium, but expecting more because of a change in the market, or bad negotiations at the time does not mean people should get more out of what was contracted. It’s a lesson learnt and next time they can get what they deserve through another contract.

Sadly, it’s the way the world works and you need to agree everything upfront now.
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