Champions battle poll (Week 7: Round 4)

Ozymandias
Batman
Solomon Grundy

Ozymandias vs Punisher

Ozymandias wins,Ozy is the better fighter in this situation.

Batman vs Iron Fist

Batman wins,while Iron Fist is great fighter but Batman's various gadgets gives him a better edge in this fight.

Solomon Grundy vs Juggernaut

Juggernaut wins, Grundy is pretty dumb and while Marko is no Einstein he is considerably smarter then Grundy.

@loud, i dont think ive ever seen you vote for a DC character bro....

BATMAN vs IRON FIST:. Iron Fist
Iron Fist's chi manipulation gives him superhuman level attributes. He's one shotted the SHIELD Helicarrier, he single-handedly defeated 100-foot energy absorbing demon, defeated a giant dragon, defeated Sabretooth while temporarily blinded, he destroyed a fright train with a single punch, gained the upperhand against the X-Men which consisted of Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Colossus, and Storm, gained the upperhand against the likes of Captain America, Spider-Man, and has a technique called the Black Black Poison Touch, absorbs enough radiation that vaporize a normal man and survives, withstands Nitro's explosion, can cleanse his body from fatal poison, an attack colliding with Steel Serpents causes an whole floor of a building to explode, was able to knock out Hercules, destroys Wrecking Ball's enchanted weapon, etc etc.

Iron Fist is a little too much for Bats to handle these days, especially since his abilities have increased from studies of the Book of Iron Fist.

SOLOMON GRUNDY vs JUGGERNAUT: depends.

Solomon Grundy's power level fluctuates with each ressurection. At times he's powerful enough to give Superman, and Shazam some trouble, and at other times, he's getting manhandled by Batman and Wildcat. So, I'm not too sure.

im just callin it like i see it, i dont think ive ever seen the guy vote for a DC fighter, im no slouch in the comics department and i find myself disagreeing with him and you alot, at least ive seen you vote against Marvel at times though Quad, and Loud, if im wrong i apologize but like i said im just callin it as i see it

and again, i must point out the fact that everybody here voted that captain america would beat iron fist so isnt it logical that batman would beat him too seeing as him and rogers are more or less equal?

PS -- I've never agreed that Cap and Batman are equal. I've always stated Cap would kick Bat's ass because since Bats is completely unenhanced, he'll never be as fast, strong or agile as ultimate-human Cap is.

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Well Cap has something that can deflect chi strike...Batman does not.

This is the way I see it, Cap doesent massively outclass Batman anywhere. He simply slightly outclasses him everywhere except scientific knowledge.

Like in strength, speed and agility Cap > Batman but only slightly.

In skill I'd say Cap > Batman barely.

In tactical skill and strategy Cap > Batman just by a hair.

Scientific knowledge Batman > Cap.


See, he doesent greatly outclass him in any area, he just slightly outclasses him in all areas except one. That's my take...

i agree that he has the slight edge in physical prowess ( strength speed agility etc) but cmon dude how does he out class batman in skill, he knows maybe 5 martial arts while batman has mastered 127.

id say its more like;

physical attributes :Cap> bats (slightly)

marital skill Bats> cap

Tactical skill Bats = cap

scientific knowledge Bats>cap

@relentless
Okay, before I say anything else I'm going to say two things: First, if I come off as a jerk I'm not trying, any offense is not intended. Second, I would inquire where are you getting your information from (MCU maybe?) because it's quite wrong. I know that you really hate Captain America, and you don't want to read his comics but you should give it a chance, at least so you can get a better understanding if his abilities.


Okay...here we go:


5??? 5??? You've got to be joking man, even the {frick}ing Punisher has mastered more than 5 styles of martial arts. Again, not sure where you got this from you should check your source.


Captain America claims to have mastered all styles/forms of combat known to man. He stated this to Baron Zemo in a very, very  old comic. You could disregard this claim if you like, but I could just as easily disregard the claim that Batman knows 127 styles.

Another thing, knowing more styles doesn't always mean you are better. It's also about how well you perform those styles and how skilled you are in them. An example of this, Wolverine claims to have mastered every form of martial arts on the planet but in a straight up h2h fight he lost to Daredevil, because DD is the better fighter even though Logan's skills are simply more diverse. You see what I'm getting at?

You could argue the same for Batman that even though Cap has mastered more styles that Bats is better in the styles that he knows. Which would be a valid argument, but I don't think it would be true. Because Cap has stalemated and defeated the Black Panther who also claims to have mastered every martial arts in the world and has been training in the martial arts since he was like six years old. But he still has lost to Cap in the past, which really does validate that Cap has mastered all martial arts and is the best he can be in all of them. He has other great feats similar to this...


Okay, next is tactical skill, what makes you think Batman is Cap's equal in this? Cap's enhancements are not only physical, he's like Deathstroke...his mind is essentially a problem solving computer, and he is capable of formulating 100 different strategies to take down his opponent in a split second. Batman is no slouch in this area either, but he's just not quite up to par.



Okay, this is a more accurate breakdown of Batman vs Cap.

Raw physicality: Cap > Batman (slightly)

Martial arts skill: Cap > Batman (just by a little bit)


Scientific knowledge: Batman >>> Cap (Cap isn't really that bright in science)


Tactical skill: Cap > Bats



Now, I'm not saying it's impossible for Batman to beat Cap, but realistically Cap should take the majority.

well we can go round and round with stats but batma and captain america have met three times in crossovers and i know i know you dont like to count crossovers fenix but every single time they clash they have been dead even and if we cant go off of that then what can we base these things on?? i will agree however that batman beating cap in marvel vs DC dosnt count because that was a straight up fan vote, but even before that they were described as dead even, same with every other time theyve met, so going by cominc book feats, they are evenly matched...and i dont nessecarily hate cap...im not an american and as somebody looking in i cant stand how america pushes the "were #1" drivel in everything that their mass media produces, captain america was born out of that imperialistic propaganda, so is superman btw which is why i dont like him much either.

@relentless
My only response to the crossover thing, is that they aren't canon.

I get what you mean about Cap and Supes though, I like them both. But I can understand why people don't...you're reason for not liking them makes sense.

FENIX.

I wouldn't even count that fight with Daredevil if you're talking about the fight where DD incapacitated Wolverine with a throat chop. That was done by Garth Ennis who very well known for his hate for Wolverine. He's done the same with the Punisher vs Wolverine battle where he blew Wolverine's "package" off and then ran him over with a steamroller. Smh.

@SageMode
I know that, but they've beaten each other in the past. (T'Challa and Cap)

There was the throat chop as well as the time when Logan was turned into the Hand's assassin, DD faced him and the Hand ninjas and ended up with the win.

ok, i get that you think cap is the end all be all but lets think about this for a minute: you have one guy whos trained everyday since he was 10, fought criminals, street level and other wise for 15 years straight, has learned and mastered every fighting discipline on the planet and keeps training everyday on top of fighting every night to keep his skills honed vs a guy who was a frail little kid, got juiced up by a super steroid, fought for a several months in WW2 only to be frozen for 70 years then thawed out in present day; sure they guys got batman beat in the physicality department, only slightly though (which i think is funny cuz Batman did it the hard way and really isnt too far off where cap is physically) how can you possibly give the nod to superior skill to captain america? sure dude trains people and himself at the avengers mansion now but batmans been doing it everyday since he was 10! sorry, but theres no way any of you guys will ever convince me that captain america surpasses batman in skill, simply put he hasnt put the work in to be as good.

But with Cap it's that his mind is also enhanced, and he can master in a month or so what'd take almost a year for a normal human. Because of his photographic memory as well as his highly advanced brain.

Btw, Cap wasn't frozen for 70 years. It was only that way in the movies...in the comics Cap was in WW2 in the 40's, got frozen and was thawed out by the Avengers in the 60's that's only 20 years. And he's been back in action kicking butt since then.


I don't necessarily think Cap is the greatest martial artist in all comicdom, Deathstroke and Taskmaster I would consider his equals but could be better.

I'd say Daredevil, Batman, Panther and Bronze Tiger and I guess Richard Dragon are just one step below Cap, Slade and Taskmaster.

@unknownfacts
Government tools?

Cap even says that he doesent do any of it for the government but for the people.

he don't care what the government says...

heres the article if your interested:

http://whatculture.com/comics/batman-6-ways-bruce-wayne-has-ruined-contemporary-comics.php

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Fair enough.

@relentless
I'm not sure if that was retconned or not. I was always under the impression the serum retards his aging even now so that's why he doesent look 90 years old.